about the japanese demo

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I got many high quality video of the Japanese Demo. I just need someone to host it. Each movie's around 45 RAW file, but I'mma convert it to a smaller size. Anybody care to host the vids for me. :)
 
Sven
My experience with the AI has shown it to be better than some of you make it out to be. If you pay attention, you'll see that it actually is reactive to you in some instances. For example, in a Falken/Nürburgring race, try hanging back for the first few turns, and observe where the viper ends up. Then drive really aggressively for the first few turns and observe the difference in AI behavior. I seem to have noticed that most of the "ignoring" incidents happen when you're in blind spots, but that's just me.

I also think I noticed an AI car brake for me once...

It's far from perfect, but it's better than GT3, and they at least take good lines now.

Also, I think the odd field that goes with the Falken (JGTC Garaiya and Viper GTS-R in the same race?) was made specifically for the demo to give people something to shoot for no matter what their skill. i.e. so noobs can at least beat the Garaiya and pros can go for the Viper.
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if you think you can get the viper, even if you're a pro, you are sadly mistaken, the viper is in a whole different class, so unless you get lucky with some dirty tricks all race long, you don't stand a chance, and even if you somehow manage to keep it behind you after the karrusel (wich is where the viper starts leaving you in the dust never to be seen again, and the vette will start catching up to you.) you are in for a HUGE dissapointment once you get to the long straight, the viper is so fast you wouldn't even be able to draft it. the vette i've drafted before, and you can reach the skyline speed limit wich seems to be around 300 Km/h. but the viper? long gone.

and oh yeah, about the blind spots... yeah, it's just you, this is not true at all. you're giving too much credit to the AI, it's stupid. deal with it. yes it's better than in GT3, but that doesn't mean it's good, it just means it's not completley stupid this time.
 
naruto
I got many high quality video of the Japanese Demo. I just need someone to host it. Each movie's around 45 RAW file, but I'mma convert it to a smaller size. Anybody care to host the vids for me. :)
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Maskrider posted his high quality videos in video download thread in case you don't know
 
Watching the Viper's replay, it's best lap time was a 7:03. Since some people are getting sub 7 minute laps, I would say that the Viper is catchable. And the Falken's top end is acually higher than the Viper's since it doesn't have near the downforce. The Viper tops out in the straight at around 172 mph, while the Falken can hit 180. However, the Viper does get up to that speed much quicker.
 
SaintKamus
lies... the viper will crash right on your rear, the car has tons more downforce than the skyline, on the very first steep uphill, you need to brake right after the jump or you'll go off the track, for sure. the viper and vette on the other hand, don't brake at all, they just slow down and the jump is VERY small compared to the jump the skyline takes. so if the viper is right behind you right there, it won't brake at all, it seems the AI is programed to slow down only on parts that cars of equal or similar horsepower would slow down, only then do they avoid a crash, but on parts where they can go all out and you can't. they WILL crash you.
i'm not slow by any means with the falken. while i defenetly can be faster than i am right now, i think i got the track's brake points down at this point. meaning, i do not brake late in any corner that the viper has nailed me in, and don't forget the fact that if you are NEXT to it (or any other AI car) and you are neck to neck, the car WILL drive you out the track in order to keep it's racing line.
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The Jump you mentioned at "Flugplatz" was my first problem in my first 10 laps.
Now i am able to take it with the falken without braking ! Just slowing down without braking !

You have to go over the right curbs with more than half of the car (the left wheels still on track) and you have to take the apex absolutely blind. Then it works.

Now i´m able to take this section (maybe in 3 of 10 tries) with the same speed like the viper !

And the falkens 4WD brings big advantages at "Breidscheid" and at the "Steilstrecke" before the carussel.

I´m already able to see the viper pass the Start/Finish Line !

But the viper still catches me on Döttinger Höhe.
 
I know that it's not an important point, but on page 15 of the booklet, we can see the presentation of the Toyota Carina ED (ST160) '85, and the only Carina in the green list (at the bottom of the pages) is the Toyota Carina ED 2 X 4WS '89 (the 4WS'89 is also on the official japanese site) ...

... so now we probably have 598 official cars. ;)
 

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The Jump you mentioned at "Flugplatz" was my first problem in my first 10 laps.
Now i am able to take it with the falken without braking ! Just slowing down without braking !

You have to go over the right curbs with more than half of the car (the left wheels still on track) and you have to take the apex absolutely blind. Then it works.

Now i´m able to take this section (maybe in 3 of 10 tries) with the same speed like the viper !

And the falkens 4WD brings big advantages at "Breidscheid" and at the "Steilstrecke" before the carussel.

I´m already able to see the viper pass the Start/Finish Line !

But the viper still catches me on Döttinger Höhe.
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now that's odd. cause 8 out of 10 times i can go on the uphill by just slowing down (no brakes) but guess what? i'm a full second slower 10 out of 10 times i clear it with out hiting the brakes (one second slower to the next checkpoint of course). so this is odd, fact is i lose less acceleration if i lose that speed later on the track, rather than just letting go of the accelerator (my left tyres btw are always in the rail when i do it letting go of the accelerator)
the fact is, the viper doesn't slow down at all, my current best time in nurburgring is 7'02.516. So while i'm not lightning fast, i'm not that slow either. now if you could get past that uphill with out slowing down or braking, then you'd have a pretty solid argument, that alone would shave off about one or two full seconds. but the way i see it, it's just not posible.
 
SaintKamus
now that's odd. cause 8 out of 10 times i can go on the uphill by just slowing down (no brakes) but guess what? i'm a full second slower 10 out of 10 times i clear it with out hiting the brakes (one second slower to the next checkpoint of course). so this is odd, fact is i lose less acceleration if i lose that speed later on the track, rather than just letting go of the accelerator (my left tyres btw are always in the rail when i do it letting go of the accelerator)
the fact is, the viper doesn't slow down at all, my current best time in nurburgring is 7'02.516. So while i'm not lightning fast, i'm not that slow either. now if you could get past that uphill with out slowing down or braking, then you'd have a pretty solid argument, that alone would shave off about one or two full seconds. but the way i see it, it's just not posible.
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I played again yesterday but the full lap...I agree w/ SaintKamus. They are programmed to brake in some parts of the tracks but if you get in their way when they want to go fast you will get rammed. AI sucks but is getting better...this is an old demo compared to the vids in the Backfire thread so there is still hope 👍
 
dunkee
I played again yesterday but the full lap...I agree w/ SaintKamus. They are programmed to brake in some parts of the tracks but if you get in their way when they want to go fast you will get rammed. AI sucks but is getting better...this is an old demo compared to the vids in the Backfire thread so there is still hope 👍
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Only if they are still working on the game. It has been said already by other members that the game is already finished, and has only been delayed for manufacturing reasons. I think what we are seeing now is pretty close to the final product. :indiff:
 
Hey. This demo looks like it rocks, and i was wonder if ::hush hush:: anyone would like to burn it for me without the time limit. its not illegal if i don't pay you ! o:-) IM me on AIM, if anyone is interested. we can talk about the details. ::wink, knudge:: my screen name is "yesterdaylight", same as my name on here. laterr :-D
 
VV
I know that it's not an important point, but on page 15 of the booklet, we can see the presentation of the Toyota Carina ED (ST160) '85, and the only Carina in the green list (at the bottom of the pages) is the Toyota Carina ED 2 X 4WS '89 (the 4WS'89 is also on the official japanese site) ...

... so now we probably have 598 official cars. ;)
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Funny how that picture is of the Carina ED 2 X 4WS '89 not the (ST160) '85 as mentioned.

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Hi

I made this movie so you can see the GT2/GT3/GT4 version of Trial Mountain. Should i complete it?

- uploading the comp vids -

Filesize is kinda high for the 47 seconds of video but i'm too lazy right now to compress good etc.
 
Egghead
Hi

I made this movie so you can see the GT2/GT3/GT4 version of Trial Mountain. Should i complete it?

Movie --> right click, save as

Filesize is kinda high for the 47 seconds of video but i'm too lazy right now to compress good etc.
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Downloading now.
I presume that you have used an R34 GTR throughout the vid…
 
I noticed something today about the AI in the demo, that I thought was rather interesting, in one of Sven's videos (the "3rd person" replay of the 'Ring).

In one case, we do see the Viper nearly run him off the road. That's bad.
Much later in the race, we see the 'Vette C5R give him a little nudge from behind. Not quite so bad.

But in the beginning of the race, you can clearly see the second place car avoid him.. it drives the outside line until he's past, then moves inside. And THAT.. is good. Excellent, I'd say... the AI has never done that before as far as I know.

I think this can be attributed to the "stages" of AI.. the 1-5 scale we see in B-Spec. The Viper is clearly running all-out, hence it's always jumping into the lead and keeping it.. leaving everyone else in the dust. Whereas that second place car (whatever it was, I couldn't quite make it out in the video), was set lower, allowing it to actively avoid collisions, not running as "aggressively" as the Viper is. And the C5R was probably in "Overtake" mode, since Sven had just made a mistake, allowing the 'Vette to close the gap and giving it a chance to overtake (which it did, shortly afterwards).

Interesting, I thought.. While I wasn't particularly surprised to see a car hit Sven (we've seen it before, after all, in the last three GT's), I was almost shocked to see one actually drive the outside line in a corner to avoid hitting him...

Neat vid, Egghead. :) A definite jump from 3 to 4, eh? I like it. :)
 
Samberto
Downloading now.
I presume that you have used an R34 GTR throughout the vid…
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GT3/GT4 yeah, GT2 i watched a replay because i don't have a ps1 mem card anymore hehe.

Quality isn't great but it's just a sample. And made with crappy Windows movie maker, i need to install Adobe P again for some good vids. :)
 
8400RPM
Watching the Viper's replay, it's best lap time was a 7:03. Since some people are getting sub 7 minute laps, I would say that the Viper is catchable. And the Falken's top end is acually higher than the Viper's since it doesn't have near the downforce. The Viper tops out in the straight at around 172 mph, while the Falken can hit 180. However, the Viper does get up to that speed much quicker.
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he does 7:03 on its first lap... on it's second lap the viper gets about 6:53, once you get to those turns after the karrusel, it's all over for the skyline, it just can't keep up.
 
I lead that Viper after 1 lap with some excellent driving. :sly: I even past it on the big straight :eek: but my car met the barrier on the 2nd lap and the dream was over. :crazy:
 
great video! very close race and nice driving there
that viper had been course out but still manage to see your tail
if you course out, its really hard to see the viper again
 

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