about the japanese demo

[SaintKamus]

They actually won't ram into you...well not all the time. The AI brakes when you are in front of them driving slower, but if you spin out and they are coming full speed you don't exist anymore and end up getting slammed. It is definitely much better than GT3 but still needs alot of work.

BTW, Bless all that helped getting rid of that pesky time limit 👍 I can't wait to get home and play Nurb full lap. Chrismas has come early this year

are you sure you're playing GT4? they WILL ram into you, just drive side by side next to an AI car and watch it ignore your existance as soon as your path is on the perfect driving line.

 

[CMe]

CMe, u must have modded ps2

Edit: ok

 

[SaintKamus]

Hehe.....i think that the AI is the same, just that the Nordschleife is VERY narrow (well.....for those speeds+bumps anyways)
So you don't have a passing opportunity at the end of each straight or at each corner, because the AI takes the ideal line 👍

Is wierd that i can't keep up with the Viper on some parts of the track, like Aremberg...WOW.....it overtakes my on the OUTSIDE with EASE But eventually i catch him at Adenauer Forst.....overall it's VERY exciting

waita tick.. you can catch the viper? once it passess you there's no way to catch up to him at all, it will have an advantage of at least 12 seconds each lap, at the start it's easy to pass the viper and the vette because there are other AI cars in front of them. but once the viper passess you, it's all over... however, the corvette is a different story, this car i can outrun untill the very end of the corners, at the LAST corner before the straight it catches me... but then i draft him, had a VERY nice replay of me doing this the 2 laps in a row and finally beating him, but the vette is MUCH faster than the skyline, if you miss the draft, it's over, if you get in the draft, you'll max out the falken's RPM and hit the limiter at about 320 Km/h.. but the viper? long gone, maybe you cought him cause it had an accident? rare, but happens.

i had a VERY nice replay where i managed to stay infront of the viper untill you get past the carrusel, then it's untouchable, it's not only faster in the straights, but it corners a LOT better than the skyline, the logical reason seems to be that the viper has tons more downforce, as you can see some carbon parts below the chasis to make it have more downforce (the skyline doesn't have this.)
it's REALLY funny watching a replay in third person view in the view of the viper, the car is rock stable and stays on your heels, meanwhile the skyline has tons of underster after each corner, it's very funny and intense to watch, because it makes it seem like you're struggling (well, you are) and that the viper is just toying with you (well, it is). if it rams you on a straight you're all set, it will give you a speed boost, even on high speed corners you can survive it's push, but if it rams you on a tight corner, it's out of the track for you.

you guys should try that replay thing in the viper's view, it will show you just how outclassed the skyline is compared to both the vette and the viper, it's wierd that they put those highly tuned cars in the same tune level as the skyline, the skyline is just tons slower.

 

[amar212]

you guys should try that replay thing in the viper's view, it will show you just how outclassed the skyline is compared to both the vette and the viper, it's wierd that they put those highly tuned cars in the same tune level as the skyline, the skyline is just tons slower.

As I told to my friend, "if you ever show me the person who will catch the viper, I'll buy him the cup of the best espresso in the world".

I like they've put that kind of competition because it is more intresting this way. Beating a Vette is a nice job to be done, while holding down the viper adds to an thirll in the first lap. Good job, IMHO.

 

[tiptopcream]

umm, franz is refering that he's paying attention to the way the computer drives in the perfect driving line, AI better than GT3? umm, first off, WHAT AI, there's no AI in GT4, it rarely brakes to avoid collision, it will crash into you even if you don't brake early in a corner, and drive you outside of your space if you are next to an AI car if your space happens to be in the ideal line... so can you please tell me how the AI is better? it sucks, bigtime.
just grab the falken skyline and watch the much speedier viper and vette ram you from behind whenever you brake before entering a corner (since those cars don't seem to have any visible understeer, and therefor don't brake nearly as much as you need to) the viper will ram you repeadetly, it will NOT try to overtake you by waiting for a pass section.
if you're on his path, it's best of you to just move aside.

as far as the other AI cars go, you got passed by them??? how? they are SLOOOWW, difficulty on the demo seems to be on "easy" for the "AI".
the AI is extremley slow on ALL CARS but the viper and the vette (those 2 cars seem to heavily outclass the other cars they are put against.)

heck, it's so slow, i can beat the AI easily when limiting my revs on nurburgring to make things a bit more intresting (i'll drive the RX8, but instead of using the 9k RPM i'll shift at 8, always.)
of course, this has nothing to do with AI itself, this just seems to be a difficulty limitation, it's got to be on "very easy", cause as soon as the race starts you can pass all 6 cars with out a sweat.

I know what he was talking about, I was just pointing out the AI is better than GT3 as you can see in the video. The AI will try to find a gap by switching sides if you defend a certain line. Something they didn't do in GT3, the AI would just stick to a pre set path and hug your bumper, and they also make mistakes if you hold back and mix it with them. A little improvement in the AI, I only hope PD but parameter sliders in the game for car and driver in the Arcade mode.

 

[Race Idiot]

To be honest, i've only had the same frustrating experience that SaintKamus has had with the AI. But i'll take your word for it, because I was still getting used to the Physics engine at the time and at the moment i've only been doing free runs around the ring.

Oh yeah and if you leave it paused for more than two minutes, the demo resets back to the previous screen.

 

[relio]

griplevel of the wheel is also much less than the vette and the viper. the right turn after the first Time Split the vette an viper can go full speed, the skyline doesn´t do this.
My hope is that this is only a demo and in the final game you could tune up your car a little bit ( Tires, downforce)

relio

Ai is better but miles away from perfect!

 

[T5-R]

Hi all,

Just made a ppf patch for the Hex edit to remove the time limit for the GT4 Demo. This should make it easier for most people.

To patch your ISO image, you will need PPF-O-Matic 3.0 which can be downloaded here:

http://www.paradogs.com/download/pdx-pom3.zip - for WINDOWS

http://www.paradogs.com/download/pdx-pmc3.zip - for MAC

Instructions (You will need the original untouched ISO image of the GT4 Demo):

- Download & Unzip PPF-O-Matic for your system.
- Download & Unzip the ppf patch attached to this post
- Run PPF-O-Matic
- Input the Image ISO location and the patch location.
- Click "Apply"
- After patch is done, Burn the ISO image with the appropriate software.

Enjoy!

Finally got round to it & thanks worked first time!

Had a 2 lap 'Ring race in RX7 was fun, at one point was neck & neck with Skyline, tried to overtake (doing over 150+ thanks to slipstream, not on longest straight). And unforunately Skyline pushed me resulting on 2 wheels on grass & despite me initially controlling the car I eventually lost it sending me & the Skyline spinning

The AI is still stupid, but they race more naturally I think. They no longer slam on their brakes too early it seems.

 

[dunkee]

are you sure you're playing GT4? they WILL ram into you, just drive side by side next to an AI car and watch it ignore your existance as soon as your path is on the perfect driving line.

It depends how your race I guess...? I let my friend play and he is very aggressive hitting the AI cars when passing...they rammed him repeatedly when they caught up to him. When you stop completely in the racing line you will get rammed as well. However if you race w/out touching the AI cars they will not ram you. I played yesterday to verify that I wasn't imagining things and I showed my friend, the Viper will slow down when catching up to you...very smooth too. He got right on my bumper and did not even tap me. Afterwards I understeered in a turn and he passed me on the inside w/out touching. I then spun out at the end...the Vette was behind me and he slammed the brakes. He was coming full speed and couldn't stop in time so I got slammed...but then again if it was the other way around I would have slammed him. I'm not saying the AI is good but it is better compared to GT3. Race fair and you should notice it.

 

[vtecsolkid]

Franz, Rengoku, 👍 Nice work. I wouldn't suggest burning on memorex at 4x though, it took like 45 seconds to load Nordschleife the first time and the spinning thing went from white>red>white and eventually worked. At that point I got another burn goin at 2.4x (lowest my hp will do) and she works like a beaut now. Hitting the Karusell on lap 2 and having to fall into line in a heated battle for 1st place is indescribable though. THANK YOU

 

[Race Idiot]

Franz, Rengoku, 👍 Nice work. I wouldn't suggest burning on memorex at 4x though, it took like 45 seconds to load Nordschleife the first time and the spinning thing went from white>red>white and eventually worked. At that point I got another burn goin at 2.4x (lowest my hp will do) and she works like a beaut now. Hitting the Karusell on lap 2 and having to fall into line in a heated battle for 1st place is indescribable though. THANK YOU

I burned it at 4x and I couldn't even get it to load using verbatim media 2x worked like a charm. Although i've been running it of the HDD I want to have a hard copy to show off at friends.

 

[Schneeschieber]

It's not a website, it's a newsgroup. Every ISP (or nearly every one) also offers newsgroup service. As far as normal news, you can read it right through your email program (Outlook, whatever). But for files, you'll need a dedicated newsgroup program like NewsBin Pro. Once you have the program, input your ISP's newsgroup settings, and it'll bring up a list of servers. There will be hundreds of thousands of them. Most begin with "alt.binaries.whatever". Then look for the specific group mentioned above (I can't remember it's name offhand), add it to your "list", double-click it, and it'll download all the headers (the "subject lines", as it were, of the individual posts). The demo will be one of hundreds of various games on the server, so you'll need to look for it. It'll be split into many smaller RAR files (rather than uploading a single 1.2GB file). Just download them all, open it up in WinRAR, and bam.. there's your ISO. Burn it and go.

Hello,

can anybody here help me. I installed Newsbin Pro and found thousands of groups, but I can't found "a.b.ps2.dvdiso"!
What did I wrong or what I have to do to find the group??

Please help me, I'm frustrated.

greets from germany
dan

 

[kensei]

I've never had a problem with Sony DVD-r media, for this or anything else. I've had issues with alot of the other big name media makers for DVD-r and CD-r...

I burned my GT4 demo at 1x on Sony DVD-r in under 15mins. I occasioanlly get some loading issues, the circle thing goes from red to white, but it is rare. I blame it more on it still be a demo and not quite ready for primetime.

 

[supra_luva209]

It depends how your race I guess...? I let my friend play and he is very aggressive hitting the AI cars when passing...they rammed him repeatedly when they caught up to him. When you stop completely in the racing line you will get rammed as well. However if you race w/out touching the AI cars they will not ram you. I played yesterday to verify that I wasn't imagining things and I showed my friend, the Viper will slow down when catching up to you...very smooth too. He got right on my bumper and did not even tap me. Afterwards I understeered in a turn and he passed me on the inside w/out touching. I then spun out at the end...the Vette was behind me and he slammed the brakes. He was coming full speed and couldn't stop in time so I got slammed...but then again if it was the other way around I would have slammed him. I'm not saying the AI is good but it is better compared to GT3. Race fair and you should notice it.

K.Y mentioned that the AI will hold grudges against you, mabey this is used in the demo?

 

[puricele7e]

Another pretty annoying bug is at the RX-8 tire change, when the menu comes up, the screen starts to shake for like 30 secs, the car still turns and music still runs, but the controls don't work After like 30 secs you can change the tires

 

[the Interceptor]

Another pretty annoying bug is at the RX-8 tire change, when the menu comes up, the screen starts to shake for like 1 minute, the car still turns and music still runs, but the controls don't work After like 1 min, you can change the tires

Yeah I have that too from time to time, but it's only a few seconds long on my demo.

Cheers,
the Interceptor

 

[puricele7e]

Yeah I have that too from time to time, but it's only a few seconds long on my demo.

Cheers,
the Interceptor

Well, not ALWAYS a minute but normally like 10-20 secs but if you do nothing, it may get to like 30 secs.....sorry bout that.....1 minute is a bit too long

 

[TigJackson]

I've wasted two DVD's already trying this stuff out. Is there a way to use Game Shark V2 ( im assuming to be the same as AR V2 ), Swap Magic disc, and then the burnt copy of the demo? Any help would be appreciated ( in the wait that it shows up somewhere to be downloaded )

I tried patching the .iso also, I got a bootable game out of it, but it freezes before I can start racing.

Edit: Is there a change in filesize after the patch is applied? It tells me patch has been applied succesfully, but when I look at the .iso, it has exact same size, and the PCPX_966.49 file seems to remain untouched, which leads me to believe the patch didn't do anything? Or maybe has NOT been patched succesfully?

Edit2: Success! Patch worked after all, great work guys 👍

Quick Question:
Your First Edit indicated that the file size did not change after you ran the patch.
This is exactly my situation....the file size is exactly the same after running the patch.

Your Second Edit indicates that the patch worked after all. Did you run the patch
again and end up with a different file size, or did the file size remain the same?

Thanks in advance for your response to this matter.

 

[tony1201]

Open Cdmage

File>open: locate iso (mine being called ho-gt4d.iso)

Then image type comes up Just press open

On the left of your screen it should have:
image (ho-gt4d.iso)
- session 1
+Track 1 (mode etc...)

Click on track 1

Right click on pcpx_966.49 (which has now come up on the right side of your screen)
click extract files
Choose the location you want to extract to (the top bit)
Open the file where you extracted it with that axe program and do what the guide says about editing it. (mentioned a couple of pages back)

THen Get back to CDmage Right click on pcpx_966.49 again click on import file, locate the Edited pcpx_966.49 file and bingo. YOU MUST HAVE that pcpx_966.49 file highlighted... and you must RIGHT click on that file to find the option to Import it

thats it. finished. exit the program.. burn the Iso and it should work...

something not understand.........
i edit pcpx_966.49,than import file........import sucessfully
i save the file, the progrom will build two new file to me(BIN,CUE)
is use this two file burn to DVD?(i try before but doesn't work)

 

[the Interceptor]

something not understand.........
i edit pcpx_966.49,than import file........import sucessfully
i save the file, the progrom will build two new file to me(BIN,CUE)
is use this two file burn to DVD?(i try before but doesn't work)

If you get BIN and CUE, you've done something wrong. Try the newer patch method, it's much easier.

Cheers,
the Interceptor

 

[tony1201]

Hi all,

Just made a ppf patch for the Hex edit to remove the time limit for the GT4 Demo. This should make it easier for most people.

To patch your ISO image, you will need PPF-O-Matic 3.0 which can be downloaded here:

http://www.paradogs.com/download/pdx-pom3.zip - for WINDOWS

http://www.paradogs.com/download/pdx-pmc3.zip - for MAC

Instructions (You will need the original untouched ISO image of the GT4 Demo):

- Download & Unzip PPF-O-Matic for your system.
- Download & Unzip the ppf patch attached to this post
- Run PPF-O-Matic
- Input the Image ISO location and the patch location.
- Click "Apply"
- After patch is done, Burn the ISO image with the appropriate software.

Enjoy!

ISO image is ho-gt4d one...........than i follow u step
finally the ISO file size have't charge(1,284,608KB--->1,264,128KB)....why?

 

[Jedi2016]

Hello,

can anybody here help me. I installed Newsbin Pro and found thousands of groups, but I can't found "a.b.ps2.dvdiso"!
What did I wrong or what I have to do to find the group??

Please help me, I'm frustrated.

greets from germany
dan

It depends on your ISP. Not all ISP's give access to every single server that exists. Particularly when it comes to the more "shady" servers like this one, that offer illegal downloads of video games. If the ISP is aware of it, it will block the server, and won't allow you to access it. In which case, you're out of luck.

Going back to the AI argument, remember that there are now five settings the AI can drive with. That 1-5 in B-spec is also present in the normal AI routines. At a lower setting (2 or 3) the cars will no doubt drive more conservatively, braking to avoid you, moving around you, etc. But if you "get it mad" by bumping it or blocking it, it probably takes itself up to 4 or 5, so it'll start driving more aggressively, which could result in it's hitting you more often. This also fits when you hear people talk about the AI making mistakes.. braking too early or too late, and sliding right off the track. So it probably all boils down to how you drive. If you're driving very aggressively, the AI will probably drive to match.

It's the only way to explain the differences in what we're hearing here. Everyone has a different way of driving, and thusly everyone is having a different experience with the AI. Which could make the game much more interesting in the long run.. each of us will have different experience in the same races.

 

[franz]

I don't know if file size will change after using "patch" method
someone said there are no change in file size but it still works
one thing you can do for checking if it is correctly patched >
use winrar to open the patched iso file and extract pcpx_966.49
use hex editor (AXE or whatever) to open pcpx_966.49
and look at 001F0740 that line and see if it is FF 00 FF 00 07 00 ...

if the patched ISO file can't be opened with winrar, it maybe corupted or something

 

[Sven]

My experience with the AI has shown it to be better than some of you make it out to be. If you pay attention, you'll see that it actually is reactive to you in some instances. For example, in a Falken/Nürburgring race, try hanging back for the first few turns, and observe where the viper ends up. Then drive really aggressively for the first few turns and observe the difference in AI behavior. I seem to have noticed that most of the "ignoring" incidents happen when you're in blind spots, but that's just me.

I also think I noticed an AI car brake for me once...

It's far from perfect, but it's better than GT3, and they at least take good lines now.

Also, I think the odd field that goes with the Falken (JGTC Garaiya and Viper GTS-R in the same race?) was made specifically for the demo to give people something to shoot for no matter what their skill. i.e. so noobs can at least beat the Garaiya and pros can go for the Viper.

 

[AutumnRacer]

is it worth getting? Is this towards the end product or a early vrsn?

 

[Sven]

I'm not sure, but I think it could be based off the E3 '04 engine, which is 6 months old. But a lot closer to the final version than Prologue is...

 

[franz]

is it worth getting? Is this towards the end product or a early vrsn?

If driving at nurburgring is what you die for, Go get the demo!
I love GT4, so I do whatever I can to play this game even crappy demos
If I have no life, I will visit MegaWeb everyday until it finally release
welcome to GTPlanet!

edit> I am not a GT4 fanboy, just a racing game fanboy

 

[alexsteffen]

umm, franz is refering that he's paying attention to the way the computer drives in the perfect driving line, AI better than GT3? umm, first off, WHAT AI, there's no AI in GT4, it rarely brakes to avoid collision, it will crash into you even if you don't brake early in a corner, and drive you outside of your space if you are next to an AI car if your space happens to be in the ideal line... so can you please tell me how the AI is better? it sucks, bigtime.
just grab the falken skyline and watch the much speedier viper and vette ram you from behind whenever you brake before entering a corner (since those cars don't seem to have any visible understeer, and therefor don't brake nearly as much as you need to) the viper will ram you repeadetly, it will NOT try to overtake you by waiting for a pass section.
if you're on his path, it's best of you to just move aside.

as far as the other AI cars go, you got passed by them??? how? they are SLOOOWW, difficulty on the demo seems to be on "easy" for the "AI".
the AI is extremley slow on ALL CARS but the viper and the vette (those 2 cars seem to heavily outclass the other cars they are put against.)

heck, it's so slow, i can beat the AI easily when limiting my revs on nurburgring to make things a bit more intresting (i'll drive the RX8, but instead of using the 9k RPM i'll shift at 8, always.)
of course, this has nothing to do with AI itself, this just seems to be a difficulty limitation, it's got to be on "very easy", cause as soon as the race starts you can pass all 6 cars with out a sweat.

You´re braking too much and too often !!!

In my first laps i was feeling just like you, but now i´ve learned that drivers with the knowledge of the BMW-Einser-Demo just brake to often, because they got much respect of the power of the Skyline, but they don´t use the great suspension, the racing tyres and the racing Brakes !

Now (after maybe 30 laps in the falken) i brake much less and the viper isn´t able to crash into my back any longer.

so, there is an AI !!!!

But the computer steered cars just act like there are only pro´s on the track !!

 

[SaintKamus]

You´re braking too much and too often !!!

In my first laps i was feeling just like you, but now i´ve learned that drivers with the knowledge of the BMW-Einser-Demo just brake to often, because they got much respect of the power of the Skyline, but they don´t use the great suspension, the racing tyres and the racing Brakes !

Now (after maybe 30 laps in the falken) i brake much less and the viper isn´t able to crash into my back any longer.

so, there is an AI !!!!

But the computer steered cars just act like there are only pro´s on the track !!

lies... the viper will crash right on your rear, the car has tons more downforce than the skyline, on the very first steep uphill, you need to brake right after the jump or you'll go off the track, for sure. the viper and vette on the other hand, don't brake at all, they just slow down and the jump is VERY small compared to the jump the skyline takes. so if the viper is right behind you right there, it won't brake at all, it seems the AI is programed to slow down only on parts that cars of equal or similar horsepower would slow down, only then do they avoid a crash, but on parts where they can go all out and you can't. they WILL crash you.
i'm not slow by any means with the falken. while i defenetly can be faster than i am right now, i think i got the track's brake points down at this point. meaning, i do not brake late in any corner that the viper has nailed me in, and don't forget the fact that if you are NEXT to it (or any other AI car) and you are neck to neck, the car WILL drive you out the track in order to keep it's racing line.

 

[SaintKamus]

You´re braking too much and too often !!!

In my first laps i was feeling just like you, but now i´ve learned that drivers with the knowledge of the BMW-Einser-Demo just brake to often, because they got much respect of the power of the Skyline, but they don´t use the great suspension, the racing tyres and the racing Brakes !

Now (after maybe 30 laps in the falken) i brake much less and the viper isn´t able to crash into my back any longer.

so, there is an AI !!!!

But the computer steered cars just act like there are only pro´s on the track !!

oh yeah, i forgot to add, i too found a way to stop the viper from ramming me in the rear... all i do is get off the ideal racing line and it will pass me instead of ram me. i'm pretty sure i drive the falken to it's limits, and it's VERY obvious from the replays that the viper and vette aren't breaking a sweat (in low speed corners the falken actually corners better than the vette, but on high speed corners the vette smokes it), if you watch your car (the falken) from third person view on the viper while you're in front of him, you'll see how badly the falken understeers compared to the viper and vette, those 2 cars stay glued to the tarmac, while yours shows understeer and lack of downforce on jumps.