Adrenaline Tune Reviews ~ Honda HSV - Part 1

[Adrenaline]

As I work my way through the game, I'm starting to realize I like testing and tuning more than the A-Spec races. Since I'm not a tuner myself, I often find myself endlessly searching this forum for tunes to try, for the cars I needed. I quickly grew tired of reading "great tune, I won XXX with it." seeing as how, any legitimate tune should get you the win. I wanted to know where each excels and lacks, with side by side comparisons of the other tunes available, what tracks and times, what adjustments were made to fit your style etc etc.

My driving style. I use a DFGT and automatic transmission. I'm what I consider to be an aggressive driver. I brake late and hard, coast just long enough for the nose to point towards the exit and then I'm right back on the gas. I'm capable of good throttle control, but more often than not I lack the finesse of 'feathering' and am rather heavy footed. I tend to prefer cars that rotate extremely well. I like my cars on the loose side, I can't stand a car that pushes.

If anyone, be it Tuning Shop or individual, has something they'd specifically like me to review, or has a tune for a car already listed, that they feel deserves a fair comparison, please don't hesitate to let me know.

All Lap times posted are of the tune 'as written' unless stated otherwise. Each review may contain adjustments and new lap times reflecting them.

Updates​

1/11/2011 Vengence Tuning Elise 111R '04
1/11/2011 RKM & LDP 2010 Camaro SS Reviews
1/12/2011 Wienish' Tuning Garage Cadillac Cien
1/12/2011 Deep Forest Times added for Camaro SS
1/13/2011 (4) Pagani Zonda R Reviews/Comparison
1/18/2011 LDP Cadillac Cien Review
1/19/2011 GT_God LFA Review
1/19/2011 BurnOut Camaro SS Review & Updated all Camaro Lap Times
1/20/2011 (3) Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo Reviews + Comparison
1/22/2011 LDP Ruf RGT '00 Review added, other RUF lap times updated
1/24/2011 RKM RUF RGT '00 Review added, all other lap times updated, again...
1/24/2011 VW W12 Nardo '01 Review added
2/05/2011 (2) more Elise 111R tunes testes, all times updated.
4/05/2011 (6) Xanavi Nismo Z '06 tunes tested, reviewed and compared
4/07/2011 (4) Raybrig NSX '06 tested, reviewed and compared
4/11/2011 Fumes Toyota Supra RZ '97 review added
4/23/2011 (5) Yellowbird CTR RUF '86 reviews added
4/27/2011 (8) Lexus LFA reviews added
6/02/2011 (3) VW W12 Nardo Concept reviews
6/07/2011 (11) Enzo Ferrari Reviews added
7/17/2011 (3) Ford GT LM Spec II tested and compared

Car: Lotus Elise 111R '04​

Tuner: Team Lotus Tuning
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=138533&page=5#post4532923
Notes: Slight mid corner understeer.
Deep Forest Raceway: 1:07.853

Tuner: Precision Motorsports
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4487050#post4532936
Notes: There are 2 versions of this tune. My review, as well as updated lap times, are based off of the first version, as quoted in my review. I personally prefer the original tune over the updated, both in feel and lap times.
Deep Forest Raceway: 1:07.504

Tuner: Vengence Tuning
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4560528#post4560528
Notes: This car feels more comfortable and balanced throughout the entire track than the 2 above.
Deep Forest Raceway: 1:07.952

Tuner: RKM Motorsports
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4580629#post4580629
Notes: This tune was designed around Sport-Soft. Very balanced, but a bit tight on center through exit. Loose on braking.
Deep Forest Raceway: 1:08.579 on Racing Softs

Tuner: NMRacing
Review: TBD
Notes: Quickest tune so far while maintaining control and consistency.
Deep Forest Raceway: 1:06.919

Tuner: Deutsche Rennsport
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4764230&posted=1#post4764230
Notes: Loose on Exit, under acceleration. Some throttle control needed, but easily used to an advantage.
Deep Forest Raceway: 1:07.991

Car: Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) RM '09​

Tuner: Avid Racing Factory
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=147415&page=3#post4420705
Notes: Much improvement over the original tune, still understeers in my hands, but currently my choice of tunes with altered LSD of 5, 10, 15, tops all of the times below.
Trial Mountain: 1:18.929
Grand Valley: 1:43.329
Nurburg Ring: 6:34.397
Cape ring?: 2:23.534

Tuner: Sail IC
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=135770&page=5#post4385702
Notes: This tune is on the unstable side, definitely not confidence inspiring.
Trial Mountain: 1:19.xxx
Grand Valley Speedway: 1:42.875

Tuner: All Inclusive
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=147684
Notes: This thread is specifically based around the single track of Indy, from the Like The Wind Event in A-Spec Extreme, and includes 7 different tunes compared by lap times.

Car: Lexus LFA ‘10​

Tuner: All Inclusive(8)
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5252805#post5252805
Notes:

Car: Mazda Furai Concept '08​

Tuner: Avid Racing Factory
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4429222#post4443339
Notes: After a better understanding of LSD settings, I went with: Initial: 17 ~ Acceleration: 27 ~ Braking: 7 ~ Downforce: 35 / 60 This gave me a very noticeable amount of more turn through the center.
Suzuka Raceway: 1:48.570

Car: Nissan Skyline Coupe 370GT Type SP '07​

Tuner: RKM Motorsports
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=136731&page=29#post4539907
Notes: Side by side comparison here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159188#post4539859
Laguna Seca: 1:32.464

Tuner: Avid Racing Factory
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=147415&page=8#post4539884
Notes: Side by side comparison here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159188#post4539859
Laguna Seca: 1:32.919

Car: RUF RGT '00​

All lap times are tested at max power, racing soft tires and my own LSD settings.
Tuner: Precision Motorsports
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=155662&page=2#post4540489
Notes: Seems to lack the grip of the other tunes, but I prefer the brake balance here as it helps stabalize the car on entry, allowing for deeper entrances and smoother centers. Balanced, but a touch tight, with a bit of oversteer on quick exits.
Trial Mountain: 1:23.762

Tuner: Tharain's Tuning Temple
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=140371&page=9#post4543336
Notes: Nice rotation in the center, strong entry, I like it.
Trial Mountain: 1:23.583

Tuner: Lion's Den Performance
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=136677&page=21#post4667590
Notes: Designed around lower HP and Street Tires, but rather quick when put on level ground.
Trial Mountain: 1:24.513

Tuner: RKM Motorsports
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4667587#post4667587
Notes: On Sport Softs, it was extremely similair to LDP, but on Racing Soft, the stiffer suspension prevailed in the S's.
Trial Mountain: 1:23.971

Tuner: Adrenaline Kustomz
Review: None
Notes: This is simply a modified version tune, that is based off of the stock spring rates, with a 15% stiffer rate all the way around, that adapts Tharains shocks, but with a few other changes. It produces faster lap times than the 4 above garages, but I have no clue why.
Trial Mountain: 1:23.450
Grand Valley Speedway: 1:49.712
-25 / -30.........Camber: 1.5 / 1.5
9.9 / 13.0........Toe: -.08 / .00
6 / 6..............LSD: 60, 60, 20
5 / 5..............Brake Bal: 9 / 4
5 / 6..............Tranny: 186

Car: 2010 Camaro SS​

Disclaimer: All tunes were tested with a power rating of 592HP. Tranny @ 174mph (NTS too low for GVS)
This includes max upgrades for everything with the exception being: Semi-Racing Exhaust was used rather than Full Racing Exhaust & Zero Engine Tuning Upgrades, ECU was still purchased though.
Tuner: RKM Motorsports
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4561042&posted=1#post4561042
Notes: Great turn in, solid center, less push on exit than the others thus far, but still present.
Grand Valley Speedway: 1:54.834
Deep Forest: 1:15.060

Tuner: Lion's Den Performance
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4560884#post4560884
Notes: Tight, Tight, Tight...
Grand Valley Speedway: 1:55.930
Deep Forest: ???

Tuner: BurnOut
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4630768#post4630768
Notes: Center is good, but entry and exit are tight.
Deep Forest Raceway: 1:15.112
Grand Valley Speedway: 1:55.286

Car: Cadillac Cien​

Both tunes tested at 775hp. All upgrades installed, with the exception of super charger.
Tuner: Wienish' Tuning Garage
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=152260&page=8#post4562921
Notes: I'm not a fan of tunes that ignore toe settings, and I'm concerned about the quality when mass produced; time will tell.
Car was decent overall, understeer from center all the way through the exit, and has an LSD issue.
Deep Forest: 1:08.819
High Speed Ring: 58.885

Tuner: Lion's Den Performance
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4624597&posted=1#post4624597
Notes: Balanced in a tight aspect, with a minor increased understeer on exit. Just pretty tight all around.
Deep Forest: 1:08.039
High Speed Ring: 58.897

Car: Pagani Zonda R '09​

All four tunes were tested with 775HP, Racing Soft Tires, Same Top Speed and no assists, ABS at 1. Full comparison here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4589829#post4589829
Tuner: Avid Racing Factory
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4589011#post4589011
Notes: I feel the Avid tune has potential to match, if not beat the best lap time of the 4, with some adjustments. A bit tight center-out. As usual, I really don't get along with Avid LSD's.
Grand Valley Speedway: 1:41.683
Custom LSD: 1:40.863

Tuner: seoulspirit
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4589196#post4589196
Notes: An odd set up, noticed as soon as you look at the specs. Tighter than all the tunes, and considerably slower. Even an adjusted LSD showed minimal gains.
Grand Valley Speedway: 1:42.855

Tuner: Tharain's Tuning Temple
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4589332#post4589332
Notes: With some updates to camber and rear toe, Tharain could be a contended. Tight from center off, used more downforce than Avid, to produce the same lap time. But does posses the most turn-in of the 4 tunes.
Grand Valley Speedway: 1:42.812
Custom LSD: 1:40.867

Tuner: BlueShift's Little Tuning Shop
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4589530#post4589530
Notes: The most consistent and comfortable of the 4, combined with being the fastest! Tiny tight on exit, but very balanced overall, and easiest to drive.
Grand Valley Speedway: 1:40.540

Car: Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo​

Full comparison of all 3 tunes here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159188&page=3#post4634533
All 3 tested with Stock Tranny & Racing Soft Tires.
Tuner: Avid Racing Factory
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4634545#post4634545
Notes: Tight on exit, but tons of forward bite and lots of traction. Very comfortable, consistent and FAST.
Laguna Seca: 1:19.910
Deep Forest Raceway: 1:07.355

Tuner: Tharain's Tuning Temple
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4634539#post4634539
Notes: Very Balanced overall
Laguna Seca: 1:20.824
Deep Forest Raceway: 1:07.884

Tuner: Wienish' Tuning Garage
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4634550#post4634550
Notes: Least stable of the three, doesn't compliment the cars natural tendency issue. Best turn in on tighter turns/flat tracks.
Laguna Seca: 1:20.600
Deep Forest: 1:08.385

Car: VW W12 NARDO CONCEPT '01​

Tuner: Deutsche Rennsport + Basilea + Vengence Tuning
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5387092#post5387092
Notes: I might be tuning this car myself in the near future.

Car: Xanavi Nismo Z '06​

Tuner: All Inclusive (6)
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5153634#post5153634
Notes: From March's Tuner Challenge Championship

Car: Raybrig NSX SuperGT​

Tuner: All Inclusive (4)
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5162697#post5162697
Notes:

Car: Toyota Supra RZ '97​

Tuner: Fumes
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5182037#post5182037
Notes: Deep Forest Raceway: 1:12.517
Made some personal adjustments and cut 6 tenths off the above time, then power increase to run a 1:11.035.

Car: RUF CTR "Yellow Bird" '87​

Tuner: All Inclusive (5)
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5239307#post5239307
Notes: Top Gear Test Track

Car: Enzo Ferrari​

Tuner: All Inclusive(11)
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5452541#post5452541
Notes: Project EnDzo: The Ultimate Endurace Enzo; Reclaiming the Ferrari Crown

Car: Ford GT LM Spec II​

Tuner: All Inclusive
Review: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5612589#post5612589
Notes:

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[DaxCobra]

Do the cobra 427

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Can I poke you to get a comparison between my Skyline 370GT and that of Avid Racing?

The owner initially said some things that were a bit cocky... I'd like to see if they can back up that bark.

 

[mike46and2]

Now this is a good thread! Do the SLS and Scud ferrari 430! Theres a few of both i believe?

 

[RistVaLL]

cant you do a nice tune for Sauber c9, since no1 else got one?

 

[mike46and2]

He is reviewing and comparing them, not creating them. That Sauber is always going to be a handful no matter what. Make sure you use TC or you will be slow, its to powerful.

 

[Project41]

I think you may have forgotten RKM's ZR1 RM tune, that tune is wonderful! 👍

I like this thread too, good idea.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I think you may have forgotten RKM's ZR1 RM tune, that tune is wonderful! 👍

I like this thread too, good idea.

It's technically a Z06 RM tune, and it's included in the "All-inclusive" test.

 

[Adrenaline]

It's technically a Z06 RM tune, and it's included in the "All-inclusive" test.

I actually left out RKM's tune, because I didn't want to put them at an unfair advantage for two reasons. First of all the tune wasn't actually designed for the ZR1 and secondly RKM's tunes are based around lower tire options more often than not, which directly effect lap times, and would sleight them.
If Rotary Junkie would like me to add his tune to the list, I'd be more than willing, but was reluctant to do so, for the reasons above.

I tend to boycott Skylines, simply due to the abundance of them in game, but for the sake of science I'll add it to my garage.

 

[C_Monster]

Good stuff. This will be a handy resource. Thanks Adrenaline!!!

 

[Project41]

Ah alright, makes sense, I think I used their Z06 tune on my ZR1 and its wonderful lol.

 

[KForceOH]

If ya get into the GTR stuff I have tried every single tune on this site for the ring and other tracks. The absolute best pure sex tune for this car is lions den

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=4315059

I had thought of doing something like this for ring times. I run there constantly and have a very nice list of cars with times but I want to start tracking different tunes for each car with the times. Might get that going now but its kinda hard to find all the different tunes for same car, would be nice if the heading was (example) GTR Tunes then inside list for all different garages.

 

[Adrenaline]

its kinda hard to find all the different tunes for same car, would be nice if the heading was (example) GTR Tunes then inside list for all different garages.

I think this is on that new Wiki site

For me, I just make sure that each of my reviews quotes the tune, so when you're redirected, you see both the review as well as the actual tune settings.

 

[Adrenaline]

For direct competitions I'll add a post, but individual tunes won't require one.


As requested by Rotary Junkie I've decided to pit Avid vs RKM in regards to the Nissan Skyline Coupe 370GT Type SP '07.
Both cars were tested with Sports: Soft Tires as well as a Top Speed of 180mph.

I wanted to use a track that I was comfortable with, as well as a track, I don't feel either tuner would use to specifically tune their car. This lead me to Laguna Seca; a flat track, where cars handling tendencies are magnified by the lack of banking, and where over driving is penalized with nothing but dirt. It's an honest track that doesn't have any corners to be cut.

Test Track: Laguna Seca

First Up is Avid
Best Lap: 1:32.919

As I've come to expect with my driving style, Avid tunes result in a car that lacks the rotation through the center of the corner that I prefer. I've come to find this is easy to combat with some LSD modifications, but as of the first 6 laps, I stayed within Avid's tuning guidelines, with the exception of Engine Tuning Stage 2. I used no Engine Tuning, as to prevent a HP difference between the two comparisons, and also for the ability to use this car in a ~400HP online race, if I ended up liking it.

The car felt secure, settled, and overall very balanced. Smooth and consistent. It felt... slow. Not the tune, just the car and lack of power in general.

Corner entry, was lacking a bit of turn in, and braking just felt... insufficient. The car, even as slow as it felt, absolutely did not want to stop in a timely manner. Furthermore when on the brakes the car was relatively resistant to turning. Again... something I feel easily corrected with LSD adjustments that fit my style, and a known difference between the tuners style and my own.

Center of the turn, lacks rotation. Definitely an understeer issue here for me, which hinders my ability to get up off the corner and into the next straight away. On Laguna, this is a large disadvantage, seeing as how each corner is connected to the next with a small straight away. A lot of time can be made up here, just by letting the car turn a bit more.

Corner exit... was pretty balanced overall. Any issue that came on exit, seemed to be directly related to the issues I experienced in the center, carrying over. I do prefer my cars a touch on the free side on corner exit, so just another example, of how my driving style dominantly prefers a looser feel.

Overall, I feel it's unfair to base the entire tune on the above. I know every time I use an Avid tune that I should adjust the LSD to my preference, as should any driver. I do like to get a baseline feel for the Tune, before I start messing with things though, as it's unfair to the tune and review.

So... knowing that the LSD was not to my liking, I did a very simple swap and used RKM's LSD settings, while everything else remained the same. This dropped my lap time down to 1:32.387. A solid half a second off with LSD alone. Although one thing that stood out, was even after the LSD swap, the car still exhibits some understeering issues mid corner, which potentially tells me, that part of this tendency is in the tune as well. My first instinct would be, that it lies in the springs, seeing as how the ratio is almost a 50/50 split? But I'm no tuner. Also, the car is still very resistant to turn in under braking, which leads me to believe the Brake Balance needs to be adjusted, not just the LSD as I initially assumed.

This leads us to RKM's tune.
Best Lap: 1:32.464

Corner Entry: Good turn in, but unfortunately this car doesn't want to stop. Thinking about it, this is probably because of the tires and I'm so use to using Racing Softs universally. The higher brake balance here helped a little bit, but the car is still very resistant to rotation when on the brakes.

Center of the turn is an upgrade from Avid's tune as written, but still lacks the amount of turn I enjoy. I'm almost inclined to say the only reason the center is better, is because the entry gave me a better angle, so I feel the center is still suffering from understeer.

Corner exit: More understeer. Getting on the gas too soon forces the car to the grass. Put too much into the wheel and try to throttle the car out of the turn and you'll see the back end snap enough to get you out of wack, and send you all the way around if done so without concern.

Overall, the car was consistent and a bit faster in it's written form than the Avid Tune. In the 5 lap stretch I ran 2 .4's and 2 .6's. The car feel sluggish in acceleration, braking as well as handling properties.

The Hybrid (Avid's Tune, with RKM's LSD)
Best Lap: 1:32.387

Comparison

Avid's tunes in general seem to work well for me, as long as I ignore their LSD settings, and use my own. The Skyline was no exception to this rule. While RKM's tune ran the faster lap time 'as written', Avid's tune ended up being the fastest after changing the LSD settings. I kept it simple, and purely copied RKM's LSD settings to Avid's tune, and was able to run a .1 faster lap time. In all honesty neither tune suits my liking, which could be entirely due to the car. RKM's tune had better corner entry and a slight advantage on braking ability, but fell behind on corner exit when compared to the Hybrid Avid tune. After I the my ghost of the Avid Tune w/ RKM LSD was set, I jumped back over to the RKM tune, and ran them side by side, and it became clear where each cars strong point was. Corner entry went to RKM hands down, but the Hybrid Avid tune was able to exit better, which paid off due to the nature of the track, and how every corner leads into a short straight. Both cars understeer by nature and lack the amount of rotation I would like to have in a car. I'll be the first to admit, this can be directly the tracks fault based on it's flat premises, and there's a possibility that the tables could be reversed on a track with more banking. In conclusion the car is slow enough, that it's able to mask any major difference between tunes. The faster a car is, the more noticeable time variations become.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Hmm. Interesting results; mostly in the amount of time shaved by the Avid car from the differential change, it's huge.

And it's completely backwards for 100% speed. It helps turn-in (weak point of Avid's tune it would seem) but slightly hurts exit speeds due to low acceleration lock (strong point of Avid's tune on a smooth circuit).

I believe it is likely that the Avid tune would fall behind in high-speed corners, rougher tracks, and tracks with fast changes of direction. It's very stiff in terms of both anti-roll and spring rates; this reduces roll and CoG migration but the car is much easier to upset when using this sort of setup, particularly through the start to T1 complex of Trial Mountain, where the "fast" line is also more than slightly rough and will catch most cars out.

That said, I note that the Avid setup was far and away slower with the exact settings specified... Against a car I only made mild changes to after a completely-new-to-tuning friend did the baseline setup. That bark about displacing all other tuning garages has no bite to it, I'm afraid.

 

[Wienish]

Hey Adrenaline. I haven't done any of the 5 cars that are in the main post now, but I would appreciate it if you could also compare my tunes to the tunes of Avid, RKM and Precision Motorsports, when there are cars that I have tuned as well.

 

[Adrenaline]

Hey Adrenaline. I haven't done any of the 5 cars that are in the main post now, but I would appreciate it if you could also compare my tunes to the tunes of Avid, RKM and Precision Motorsports, when there are cars that I have tuned as well.

I looked through your list, but didn't see a single car I own. My current list is short, but my main goal of this thread, is to slowly work through my entire garage, finding a tune I enjoy for every car. This way, I can enter just about any Online Event I'd like to, feeling confident I have a competitive car, regardless of regulations. So as soon as your tunes line up with my garage, I'd be more than willing to review it for you. I look forward to working with you!

 

[Irishrich]

Nice thread, it will be nice to keep coming back to once you have more reviews. Keep up the good work!

 

[Project41]

Hey Adrenaline. I haven't done any of the 5 cars that are in the main post now, but I would appreciate it if you could also compare my tunes to the tunes of Avid, RKM and Precision Motorsports, when there are cars that I have tuned as well.

Haha leave it to Wienish to keep me on my toes, I don't think I've ever tried one of your cars, I don't have any of them either!

 

[Wienish]

No, my point is that I challenge myself with making cars, instead of challenging the car, or the requester. So I try to make my cars better and better and better. I don't promise perfection, but I do want to know how I can hold up with the "greater" tuners.

 

[vett'e]

Thanks Adrenaline,

You have made yourself a reputation as a fair reviewer and definitely a competent driver. Anyhow, I'd like to apologize to Rotary Junkie. I do not wish for there to so much animosity, and though I admit I was being brash in my words, it was to spur on a crowd - though in my loss ultimately. Again, I apologize to you and whoever I may have insulted, it was never my intention and I certainly don't wish for a scene of hostility and bitter comments. I congratulate you for your tune!

Thanks

 

[Project41]

Hey Adrenaline, I would consider possibly testing tunes on multiple tracks perhaps? The reviews can be a tad misleading if one tune is a couple of 1/10s of a second difference on only one track. Just a possible suggestion..

 

[niigma]

I have suggested this as well, would be a good idea. Also try to compare cars that have the same build i.e Hp, Weight, Tires, of the same make.

 

[Adrenaline]

Hey Adrenaline, I would consider possibly testing tunes on multiple tracks perhaps? The reviews can be a tad misleading if one tune is a couple of 1/10s of a second difference on only one track. Just a possible suggestion..

The focus of my reviews is not the lap times, it's the tunes handling characteristics and tendencies. The laps times are merely a way to quantify the difference between tunes. This is why multiple tracks won't have much of an impact on my initial thoughts of the tune.

As for variations between tunes, It'd be quite pointless to compare them if I allow major discrepancies between builds. Example being the RKM vs Avid 370 test, where Avid's tune initially called for Stage 2 Engine Tuning, and RKM's did not. It'd be pretty obvious that the build with 50 more horses would win. Sometimes I must deviate, in order to make the comparison relevant to readers. The only other time there was a deviation was in RKM's LFA tune, in which case it should have worked to Niigma's advantage, seeing as how that tune was designed around the HP/Tires used, and RKM's was not.

I'll consider compiling lap times at multiple tracks, but it will probably only be with select cars.

 

[diiva]

Excellent thread. I love your objective and detailed comparison. Now I just have to get the cars in your garage. Hee.

 

[Sail IC]

as previously stated, great thread and interesting. Objective and very informative. Even if I don't plan to use the car your'e testing, by just looking at the different tunes and the review, a lot can be learned how to tune a car.

Its of course personal preference, but I'm not sure Laguna Seca is an ideal track to test cars. It mostly have medium speed corners and banking its kind of weird in some corners.

Personally I think Suzuka is a better test track. Big variety of turns. The first turn will test heavy breaking whilst turning. Then the S-curves which will test handling and fast directional changes. Then the left corner before the straight up the hill (key corner) will test the ability to accelerate fast out of a corner on a tight line. Then two medium speed lefties. Then a hairpin. Two long straights interupted by two medium speed lefties. A high speed left before the chicane. The only this Suzuka doesn't have is a twisty low speed section, and I usually use the third sector of Fuji F for that.

Again, fantastic work. Hope you will continue.

 

[Wienish]

I'm glad you are willing to review one of my tunes, although it's not that positive. It's something for me to work on, and I hope it will be less, and in the most perfect situation even solved in the future. As I said in my main post, I don't promise perfection, but I do want to make good cars. I'm not that keen on tuning to be honest, but a friend told me I should start this, so I did and it worked out as it does now.

Nobody is perfect, and you're never too old to learn. Thanks anyway!

 

[Rotary Junkie]

So there's now another 111R RM tune around... I'd like to see how it compares to those already tested, even if it is designed around the wrong tires to compete directly with them. (I'd say to try it on the race softs the others use, just to see what you get)

Edit:

Thanks Adrenaline,

You have made yourself a reputation as a fair reviewer and definitely a competent driver. Anyhow, I'd like to apologize to Rotary Junkie. I do not wish for there to so much animosity, and though I admit I was being brash in my words, it was to spur on a crowd - though in my loss ultimately. Again, I apologize to you and whoever I may have insulted, it was never my intention and I certainly don't wish for a scene of hostility and bitter comments. I congratulate you for your tune!

Thanks

Meant to reply sooner but couldn't find the words. Anyway, I don't think the apology is entirely necessary... But I will warn you that I will point out what you said whenever possible, albeit entirely in jest. We wouldn't improve ourselves if we didn't set targets; I will continue to egg you on to make what you said true until you do... Because otherwise... Where's the fun?

 

[AnsonMaddox]

Adrenaline,

This is a fantastic thread. Thank you for creating it!

I would like to request a review of the tunes for the Pagani Zonda R '09.

I would like to know which tune is the best of the 3 listed on the GT5 Tuning wiki.

Avid Racing Factory - Vett'e

BlueShift

Tharain's Tuning Temple

I know the Zonda R wasn't on yur original list, but maybe if you have time after your initial list is complete? I'll donate the car if that helps?

Either way, thanks again for the thread!

 

[eSZee]

Hmm. Interesting results; mostly in the amount of time shaved by the Avid car from the differential change, it's huge.


That said, I note that the Avid setup was far and away slower with the exact settings specified... Against a car I only made mild changes to after a completely-new-to-tuning friend did the baseline setup. That bark about displacing all other tuning garages has no bite to it, I'm afraid.

Based on the review of one person with a driving style that goes against how the car was set up? I think you need to look at the fact that a tune that borrowed your LSD settings and nothing else, was faster than your own.
That means, using 25% of your tune and 75% of his tune makes the overall car better than your singular efforts, according to one person.