Advice Needed: 2014 'Ring 24hr, 24 du Mans, DTM Norisring

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Okay, so it's a little early for an event thread, so this is more for 'Ring noobs like myself. Providing I (edit: still) have a drivers license and a car in June, I'm going to bite the bullet and finally go. The 4 day ticket cost and the camping is less than the fuel to get there. And I'm guessing the Ferry/Chunnel is about the same again.

I do need some tips though.

How to make the most of the 4 days, where to watch the race from, photographic opportunities/locations, best campsites, local pubs/bars/restaurants etc.. Normally I'm not one for planting myself in a seat and watching a race from one spot, I like to move around, and I love to get close to the paddock/pitlane if possible.

So, if anyone has advice, I love to hear it!

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Okay, so I've amended the thread title in accordance with my new plans...

As such I'm looking for tips on any aspect of the three races:

Le Mans 24 hr
Nürburgring 24 hr
DTM @ Norisring

Please anyone share your wisdom here, and thanks to those that have so far...

2014 was a bust.

2015.. more is happening :D
 
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Go to the Le Mans 24hr the preceding weekend and make it a 2 week trip. Hang about a few days after the Nurb 24 and do a tourist lap. I intend to do this one year when I have a car I feel like trundling about France in.

As for actual helpful advice, I'm out. Sorry.

If I remember rightly @Speedster502 went last year.
 
Hello! I did indeed visit last year (once for the 24 and once for a Blancpain round) - have to be honest I didn't camp for either though so I can't really help you out there. I may ramble here - sorry.

Let's get the slightly boring stuff out of the way first...

Regarding camping I will say, from just experiencing the place if you actually want some sleep don't camp on any of the campsites actually around the edge of the main Nordschleife. I believe Travel Destinations has a campsite on the edge of the GP loop which is supposed to be a bit friendlier. Alternatively if you don't mind driving a bit then it is possible to find accommodation nearby. Me and my friends left it very last minute, as I was supposed to be going to Imola that weekend then had a change of plan, so we organised the entire trip in 2 weeks and found great accommodation about 40 minutes from the track.

Plus side of finding hotel/B&B/whatever is that it's pretty easy to drive to different locations around the track rather than walking. They do a neat deal with the car parking which means you pay something like €20 which will get you in any of the car parks for the entire weekend.

Food wise, it's not hard to find something to eat. The pubs and restaurants in central Nurburg will be rammed obviously so if you were thinking about visiting the Pistenklause then book it now! I didn't get to visit Pistenklause during the 24H but when I visited again for BES I loved it. The place is incredible with some incredible racing memorabilia on the walls of the place - and the steak on the stone is an absolute classic. The pizza they make isn't half bad either. Other than that there are plenty of food places around the circuit for typical currywurst or burgers and chips. There are some food places inside the Nurburgring Super Mall thing too which is easily accessible. As for drink...yeah, you won't have a problem finding that.

Obviously, the further out you travel from the 'Ring the more pubs you'll find that are less busy. There are some really nice food places out there though - try and brush up on your basic German before you head out though (we had an awkward moment where we didn't speak German and they didn't speak English)...

Anyway - now the fun stuff!

As soon as you get to track - and before you even watch a car make sure you go to the petrol station on the Dottinger-Hohe and buy yourself an €8 euro map of the track - it's really rather detailed and will help you find car parks, paths and tunnels. We found it massively useful. It's worth mentioning the petrol station also sells some hot food which is useful in the middle of the night when there's a rain delay for example... Also if you collect model cars ignore the left hand side of the shop. I'm saving your wallet - you'll thank me later.

It's worth getting into the paddock one time before a practice session begins - we went on the Friday which seemed to be a good plan. If you get there early enough you can see all the cars in the garages, some teams (particularly the smaller ones) might even show you round the facilities which can be quite interesting.

But as soon as that's done head out onto the Nordschleife. There's some much to explore out there that wasting time at the GP loop seems a bit silly really. My favourite bit that I walked was from Brunnchen to the Karusell, lovely scenery but the atmosphere is incredible. The campsites are built so closely to the track that it almost becomes like a little medieval town. Karusell is a little overrated from the inside (big fences) but it's still worth seeing, looks beautiful in the afternoon/evening light. You can also the walk from Brunnchen to Schwalbenschwanz (basically the opposite direction) is pretty stunning too as you'll pass plenty of 'lift off' spots including Pflanzgarten (which is far more impressive than Flugplatz - and easier to get too) but they also lift a wheel or so a little further down the road. Pflanzgarten is full of incredible structures from the fans too. Handily there's a well placed car park at Brunnchen so I'd definitely suggest heading there. I also watched the start from Brunnchen which was pretty impressive.

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View from Brunnchen at the beginning of the race

Another great walk is from bridge (at Adenau) towards Metzegesfeld - some truly staggering views along this route. Honestly the best you'll ever see with circuit racing.

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One of the stunning views from the walk towards Metzegesfeld

Also, just because you have to do it - a walk along the Hatzenbach section of the circuit is a must. The campsites are extraordinary here and I imagine the place comes even more alive at night, but we never had the chance to experience that due to the rain.

During the middle of the night, assuming it'll be dry this year, I'd try to get to the GP loop just to watch some pit stops from the grandstand and have a bit of a break. Should be plenty of food places open around there too for a midnight snack. Also, I'd try and get back here for the finish - I missed out on this and wish we had made it there in time, that said the atmosphere of the finish is good around the entire circuit.

In regards to equipment, I think it goes without saying, be prepared for everything. Good walking boots are an absolute must - if you like getting good pictures you'll move around a lot. Waterproof jackets (that are quite light to carry - it can be really rather warm too) are important too as are waterproof trousers.

Must be said, unless you have a great signal in the forests (and good abroad data allowance) it's probably rare that you'll have any kind of idea what's actually going on in the race. The commentary points around the circuit are pretty poor (and in German) but if they aren't saying any information they'll be playing 80s pop music. RLM aren't broadcast on an FM frequency like at LM so it makes things a bit difficult. But to me this event is all about the atmosphere anyway.

Anyway, I realise I've gone on a bit. If you want more details of particular stuff or photos from particular locations I'll happily help anyone out as much as I can. It's definitely an event you need to do - I honestly loved it more than Le Mans. Totally different event but well worth the visit.
 
@Speedster502

Thanks Adam this is great stuff. I'm a pretty hardcore camper, so I can handle it as gnarly as it gets, the €8 map sounds like a must though. I'm sure you'll appreciate this, but since I'm behind a viewfinder 50% of the the time, I like to try and get to as many different spots as possible - I don't really want 3000 photo's of cars at the same bend! My kit is all Canon EOS based, though I do have 300 and 500 telephotos, they are not L series, so spots closer to the track are better.

What's grandstand access in the GP section like? Free, Paid?

My only experience of live endurance races is the Britcar at Silverstone, I've slept on the rubble that is the spectator banking and I love the atmosphere, and I'm mentally prepared for the spectators endurance aspect!

@Roo

I'm weighing up the whole Le Mans thing... it makes sense, but it starts getting really expensive then, and I need a budget for the BTCC season and a German DTM round too.
 
Thanks Adam this is great stuff. I'm a pretty hardcore camper, so I can handle it as gnarly as it gets, the €8 map sounds like a must though. I'm sure you'll appreciate this, but since I'm behind a viewfinder 50% of the the time, I like to try and get to as many different spots as possible - I don't really want 3000 photo's of cars at the same bend! My kit is all Canon EOS based, though I do have 300 and 500 telephotos, they are not L series, so spots closer to the track are better.

What's grandstand access in the GP section like? Free, Paid?

My only experience of live endurance races is the Britcar at Silverstone, I've slept on the rubble that is the spectator banking and I love the atmosphere, and I'm mentally prepared for the spectators endurance aspect!

No problem, hopefully it's useful!

As for the camping, I'd still personally go for something like Travel Destinations atleast for the first year. It's difficult to convey the kind of craziness that goes on in the German campsites just in daylight let alone once the sun sets. But it's definitely packed with atmosphere. Not sure about facilities though, can't say I saw any shower blocks or the likes on my travels but I did find that a lot of the campers had made their own...

All those bits that I mentioned is plenty enough to keep you busy really with photography, you should be able to find decent angles every couple of steps or so to be honest. In regards to lenses, those will be more than enough (I don't even have a 300 or 500). Most the shots I took from Nurburgring were with my 70-200, or 10-22 occasionally using a 1.4x with the longer lens too.

GP section access should be included in your tickets - presumably you'll get a weekend ticket (or the full event one) so that will get you access everywhere. You might find that you can't get into the Mercedes grandstand at the beginning/end of the race but other than that you should be fine.

This atmosphere will totally eclipse that of BritCar, there's nothing else quite like the N24.
 
Here are the most common places I always go to view the race:
-On the secondary grand stand right at T1. This is where the most in class passing happens. You also see the entire Mercedes Arena and T10+11 where a lot happens. Good spot for brake glow pictures during the night.
-Hatzenbach. Last year, before the race got suspended due to rain, cars where sliding all around that place in the dark, it was awesome to watch.
-Brünnchen. This is THE go to place to watch anything on the Nordschleife, expect it to be overcrowded.
-Planzgarten I. Like Brünnchen, just a bit smaller in viewing area. It has a small jump where the GT3's regularly catch air.
-Karussel. Difficult to get there on foot but makes for good pictures.
-The Paddock. not much racing to see, but lots of teams working on broken cars.

I would try and take a bike or something ride-able along. The Distances between the viewing spots are really far apart (20min walk from T1 to Hatzenbach) and parking at each location is a game of chance. They do tow cars illegally parked non stop!
 
Hello! I did indeed visit last year (once for the 24 and once for a Blancpain round) - have to be honest I didn't camp for either though so I can't really help you out there. I may ramble here - sorry.

Let's get the slightly boring stuff out of the way first...

Regarding camping I will say, from just experiencing the place if you actually want some sleep don't camp on any of the campsites actually around the edge of the main Nordschleife. I believe Travel Destinations has a campsite on the edge of the GP loop which is supposed to be a bit friendlier. Alternatively if you don't mind driving a bit then it is possible to find accommodation nearby. Me and my friends left it very last minute, as I was supposed to be going to Imola that weekend then had a change of plan, so we organised the entire trip in 2 weeks and found great accommodation about 40 minutes from the track.

Plus side of finding hotel/B&B/whatever is that it's pretty easy to drive to different locations around the track rather than walking. They do a neat deal with the car parking which means you pay something like €20 which will get you in any of the car parks for the entire weekend.

Food wise, it's not hard to find something to eat. The pubs and restaurants in central Nurburg will be rammed obviously so if you were thinking about visiting the Pistenklause then book it now! I didn't get to visit Pistenklause during the 24H but when I visited again for BES I loved it. The place is incredible with some incredible racing memorabilia on the walls of the place - and the steak on the stone is an absolute classic. The pizza they make isn't half bad either. Other than that there are plenty of food places around the circuit for typical currywurst or burgers and chips. There are some food places inside the Nurburgring Super Mall thing too which is easily accessible. As for drink...yeah, you won't have a problem finding that.

Obviously, the further out you travel from the 'Ring the more pubs you'll find that are less busy. There are some really nice food places out there though - try and brush up on your basic German before you head out though (we had an awkward moment where we didn't speak German and they didn't speak English)...

Anyway - now the fun stuff!

As soon as you get to track - and before you even watch a car make sure you go to the petrol station on the Dottinger-Hohe and buy yourself an €8 euro map of the track - it's really rather detailed and will help you find car parks, paths and tunnels. We found it massively useful. It's worth mentioning the petrol station also sells some hot food which is useful in the middle of the night when there's a rain delay for example... Also if you collect model cars ignore the left hand side of the shop. I'm saving your wallet - you'll thank me later.

It's worth getting into the paddock one time before a practice session begins - we went on the Friday which seemed to be a good plan. If you get there early enough you can see all the cars in the garages, some teams (particularly the smaller ones) might even show you round the facilities which can be quite interesting.

But as soon as that's done head out onto the Nordschleife. There's some much to explore out there that wasting time at the GP loop seems a bit silly really. My favourite bit that I walked was from Brunnchen to the Karusell, lovely scenery but the atmosphere is incredible. The campsites are built so closely to the track that it almost becomes like a little medieval town. Karusell is a little overrated from the inside (big fences) but it's still worth seeing, looks beautiful in the afternoon/evening light. You can also the walk from Brunnchen to Schwalbenschwanz (basically the opposite direction) is pretty stunning too as you'll pass plenty of 'lift off' spots including Pflanzgarten (which is far more impressive than Flugplatz - and easier to get too) but they also lift a wheel or so a little further down the road. Pflanzgarten is full of incredible structures from the fans too. Handily there's a well placed car park at Brunnchen so I'd definitely suggest heading there. I also watched the start from Brunnchen which was pretty impressive.

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View from Brunnchen at the beginning of the race

Another great walk is from bridge (at Adenau) towards Metzegesfeld - some truly staggering views along this route. Honestly the best you'll ever see with circuit racing.

n24-7101.jpg

One of the stunning views from the walk towards Metzegesfeld

Also, just because you have to do it - a walk along the Hatzenbach section of the circuit is a must. The campsites are extraordinary here and I imagine the place comes even more alive at night, but we never had the chance to experience that due to the rain.

During the middle of the night, assuming it'll be dry this year, I'd try to get to the GP loop just to watch some pit stops from the grandstand and have a bit of a break. Should be plenty of food places open around there too for a midnight snack. Also, I'd try and get back here for the finish - I missed out on this and wish we had made it there in time, that said the atmosphere of the finish is good around the entire circuit.

In regards to equipment, I think it goes without saying, be prepared for everything. Good walking boots are an absolute must - if you like getting good pictures you'll move around a lot. Waterproof jackets (that are quite light to carry - it can be really rather warm too) are important too as are waterproof trousers.

Must be said, unless you have a great signal in the forests (and good abroad data allowance) it's probably rare that you'll have any kind of idea what's actually going on in the race. The commentary points around the circuit are pretty poor (and in German) but if they aren't saying any information they'll be playing 80s pop music. RLM aren't broadcast on an FM frequency like at LM so it makes things a bit difficult. But to me this event is all about the atmosphere anyway.

Anyway, I realise I've gone on a bit. If you want more details of particular stuff or photos from particular locations I'll happily help anyone out as much as I can. It's definitely an event you need to do - I honestly loved it more than Le Mans. Totally different event but well worth the visit.

This is fantastic advise. I haven't been to the 24hrs yet but also plan going this year.
 
Thanks for the advice so far guys @Third Reign I had wondered about taking my bike, seems it could be a good idea!

Im seriously considering @Roo suggestion of a motorsport triple header. Throw in to that visiting the BMW museum in Munich between the N24 and DTM. I've booked the time off work and can buy all the race tickets now... After payday I could pay for the Euro Tunnel crossing then I just need to save for diesel and beer, and, food, and accomadation/camping...

My plan to go to all the BTCC races this year is in jeopardy!
 
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I make no apologies for the state of your bank balance. Or for living vicariously through you.
 
Roo
I make no apologies for the state of your bank balance. Or for living vicariously through you.

:lol: It's not so much the bank balance. It's living up to the challenge of the adventure! Right now, my chariot of averageness is without MOT or Tax. I myself may or may not have a driving license, depending on a letter I hope to get soon from the DVLA. I don't speak French, or German... I've never driven on the right, and I've not been to any of the destinations I'm aiming for before and I'll be travelling alone... pfft... Money? That's the easy bit :lol:



... but ya, it will cost a bit!


As soon as I get the green light from the DVLA, I'm all over it.
 
You don't need French to get by at Le Mans - it's obviously useful but not absolutely essential. I got by when I went to the Nurburgring in 2008 for a few touristenfahrten days on the Nordschliefe with very little German spoken, although I did stay in a hotel co-owned by an English woman.

Driving on the right is actually fairly easy once you're over there - the only time you need to really think about it is on tracks or single lane country roads. I nearly drove head on into a Passat at about 10mph whilst exiting a gravel car park near the Flugplatz when I instinctively turned left to let him past, and then remembered and corrected. Aside from that it's OK.
 
Okay, so I've amended the thread title in accordance with my new plans...

As such I'm looking for tips on any aspect of the three races:

Le Mans 24 hr
Nürburgring 24 hr
DTM @ Norisring

Please anyone share your wisdom here, and thanks to those that have so far...
 
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Take some decent walking shoes/boots and, if possible, a folding bicycle. They'll be a a godsend at Le Mans and (I'd imagine, having not been) the Nurburgring.

Everything you need to know about a trip to the Nurburging for a public lap trip can be found here, but most of the information will be useful for a trip to the 24hrs.
 
Well, the vehicle with which I was going to do this has just cost several hundred pounds more to fix than I was expecting... Which has slightly delayed things.

The first real snag I've hit is not being sure if tickets ordered in advance for the second two events will be delivered before I leave for Le Mans...

And the fact that I also need to get a new camera lense somewhere between my 50mm prime and my 170-300mm has also stuck a spanner in the works.

Edit: I still don't know how many points my license will come back from the DVLA with, which will affect my insurance renewal, due befor I leave.

Progress with planning and preparing for this is behind schedule.
 
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