Alfa Romeo Giulia 2016

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You guys ever seen that old video from an opening of an old movie ? Bunch of guys driving different make and model sedans (audis, saab, peugeot, merc, bmw, alpha etc) just racing around in an abandoned circuit.

I'd like to see a remake of that with the this car, and other modern sedans. Should be a blast.
 
The one question I had about this car was if it was rear-wheel drive. Turns out... it is! I think the new Giulia is even lovelier than [the non-RWD] Alfa Romeo GT of the mid-late 2000s. I would love to see this car in person.
 
JohnBM01
The one question I had about this car was if it was rear-wheel drive. Turns out... it is! I think the new Giulia is even lovelier than [the non-RWD] Alfa Romeo GT of the mid-late 2000s. I would love to see this car in person.
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Did you think this was a 500 bhp, turbo V6 car with front wheel drive?
 
Beeblebrox237
Did you think this was a 500 bhp, turbo V6 car with front wheel drive?
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It initially seemed entirely more likely that Alfa would have pushed out another AWD version of a FWD car like they did for the past two decades (some sort of super 200) instead of fronting the money for an actual BMW fighter.
 
A 500 bhp Chrysler 200? Seems like a fairly ridiculous idea to me, or for that matter any FWD based AWD system for a 500 bhp super saloon. Also, doesn't anyone else remember the rumours that have been going around for nearly a decade that Alfa Romeo was going to release a RWD saloon car? I know they've been around for a while and it was looking bleak, but most of the time those rumours turn out to be true. GT86, anyone?
 
I actually thought this probably would be a four-wheel drive car previously. But I just didn't follow this car's stats and stuff all that closely in the past.
 
lGNAl
There will be an AWD version. But can they do it in a way as to keep the 50/50 front/back balance ?
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That will be the question. Hopefully they resort to some good old fashioned Italian trickery. :)
 
Beeblebrox237
or for that matter any FWD based AWD system for a 500 bhp super saloon
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Audi (and Bentley) has made several of them over the past decade.

Beeblebrox237
GT86, anyone?
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It had a protracted development cycle, but people knew that it was was coming and would essentially look like the FT-86 as soon as the FT-86 was shown off. Ten years of on again/off again Alfa Romeo RWD rumors doesn't approach the same thing; or we would have had about 5 mid engined Corvettes by now
 
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Tornado
Audi (and Bentley) has made several of them over the past decade.
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Citation? As far as I know all of Audi's 500+ bhp as well as all D1 Bentleys use a permanent Torsen system and not the FWD based Haldex system used in lesser models.
Tornado
It had a protracted development cycle, but people knew that it was was coming and would essentially look like the FT-86 as soon as the FT-86 was shown off. Ten years of on again/off again Alfa Romeo RWD rumors doesn't approach the same thing; or we would have had about 5 mid engined Corvettes by now
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I always felt the Alfa was inevitable; if they didn't do it they'd go the way of Lancia. I suppose it's down to perception, some rumours are more believable to certain people.
 
I think for the Alfa rear-drive was fairly inevitable as they'd been talking about it for ages.

The bigger surprise is that now it's happened, it appears to be a largely bespoke platform (and a relatively low-weight one at that), rather than a hacked-about Maserati Ghibli. In other words, the surprise is that Alfa has done it properly (which is kinda what @Tornado said).
 
lGNAl
There will be an AWD version. But can they do it in a way as to keep the 50/50 front/back balance ?
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If it isn't a Haldex then it shouldn't matter too much if it gains a little Front Bias, anything more then 53 might require some trickery to get it back in shape.

That's implying that the AWD isn't put on like a afterthought like with BMWs X drive models on it's non X class cars.
 
THA WHEEEELS

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Nordschleife lap time:
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Slick qualifying tires, passenger and rear seats gone, other weight savings here and there, engine as tuned as possible...what else? Start the stopwatch at the end of 1st sector?
 
The Murcielago, Mclaren, and GT3 are all now 10+ years old. Tire technology has advanced very rapidly since then. Circa 2000, a car with .90G lateral acceleration was considered exceptional. Now cars frequently approach 1.10g with some of the more exotic tires. That is an immense difference.
 
Use the Edit feature.

I'll never understand why companies quote the 'Ring time when they've substantially modified the car. It now holds even less relevance.
 
psntomaz
Priced from 79 Euro
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Bargain! :dopey:

SlipZtrEm
I'll never understand why companies quote the 'Ring time when they've substantially modified the car. It now holds even less relevance.
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I wonder if 'Ring times are done in cars with remapped ECUs with significantly higher power outputs than showroom models. If manufacturers can get away with reducing weight and using stickier tyres then why not go with an inconspicuous engine mod? :confused:
 
Eunos_Cosmo
The Murcielago, Mclaren, and GT3 are all now 10+ years old. Tire technology has advanced very rapidly since then. Circa 2000, a car with .90G lateral acceleration was considered exceptional. Now cars frequently approach 1.10g with some of the more exotic tires. That is an immense difference.
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Sure, cars like the Murcielago and the SLR are not reliable competitors for the Giulia, they put them there just to create that surprised "ooohh" from the not-so-informed viewer. Other than the things you said, there's the "fear" factor: they're proper exotic cars, hugely expensive, and usually they were tested by magazines. Of course the driver has a different limit in mind, especially beacuse we're talking about the Nurburgring. For a car like a Giulia, with a lap-time organized by the company itself, they can afford to even crash them just for the sake of marketing.

It's strange to see the Giulia being faster than a GT3 (2009, not exactly a century ago in terms of tires) and the new M4. The Porsche is born to lap that track, it's way lighter and track focused than a family sports saloon/sedan, with more downforce too. The M4 is the benchmark in that category in terms of handling and on track performance, and it's 13 seconds (!) slower than the Giulia.
The Giulia is more powerful and maybe even lighter than the BMW, but especially at the 'Ring it's not only about power to weight ratio, it would be a huge step forward in terms of handling and setup from recent years Alfas (apart from the 4C).

I think that lap time is very suspicious, more than other 'Ring laptimes, which are always questionable. Let's wait a fair comparison from a reliable magazine against its competitors and we'll see if it's really that fast. If that will be the case, huge credit to Alfa engineers.
 

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