Alfa Romeo Giulia 2016

[niky]

Ring times are always bull.

But there's no need to "cheat". As people have noted, high performance tires nowadays are a whole lot better than they used to be.

And, as we all should have learned years ago, turbocharged engine mapping can give you "amazing" performance for the quoted horsepower, simply because you can have all five hundred of those horses over a much wider band. Which matters on a track like the Nurb, where you can hit some silly speeds down the long straights.

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In the end, I'm not bothered by something with more quoted power and less weight than a GTR actually going some ten seconds or so slower.

 

[lGNAl]

Aren't those cars from the Ring times the older version Cadi and E63 as well?

That CTS-V record was from the 2009 model.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That CTS-V record was from the 2009 model.

Thanks sadly you tree'd technically, either way thanks.

 

[RocZX]

Leaked document of the Giulia engine lineup

The three engines specified include a 2.0 liter GME “Global Medium Engine” gasoline engine that offers outputs of 200hp, 250hp, and 280hp, a 2.2 liter turbo diesel engine providing 150hp, 180hp, or 210hp, and finally the “Ferrari-derived” twin-turbo 2.9 liter V6 engine with outputs of 490hp and 500hp.

Jalopnik

 

[Niku Driver HC]

Interesting; two different variations of the V6 engine, one with 490 hp and other with 500? What is the justification for having two versions of the same engine with only a 10 hp gap? From what I see, only the transmission is different between the two (MT for the 500 hp version, AT for the 490 one). And then there is a "DCT" version of the V6 model, which only makes things even more complex...

Well, regardless of this, the lineup does seem to cover a wide range of possible markets; lower-powered (and likely to be the cheapest) diesel versions, mid-range sportier models with petrol engines and of course the tippy-top, high-powered V6 Quadrifoglio versions. It's definitely being aimed at the A4/E-Class market, with all the associated risks behind that goal.

 

[bremics]

Leaked document of the Giulia engine lineup

Jalopnik

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150hp? I wonder how much that will cost.

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Ah, the 2.2 is a turbo diesel... Wonder why they delayed it?

So the 200 HP will be the cheapest then?

Also, no manuel for the 2.0L?

And for the V6 the auto has 10 less hp?

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

The autrotragic probably can't handle all the rampant stallions. It's probably going to be the luxury spec anyway.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Interesting; two different variations of the V6 engine, one with 490 hp and other with 500? What is the justification for having two versions of the same engine with only a 10 hp gap?

I would guess the difference is from varying emissions equipment depending on which country it's going to.

 

[TheCracker]

I would guess the difference is from varying emissions equipment depending on which country it's going to.

Or a limit to how much power that particular auto box can handle.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

The autrotragic probably can't handle all the rampant stallions. It's probably going to be the luxury spec anyway.

Still, wouldn't it make more sense to include the "autotragic" as an optional? Why go through the bother of making a whole new version, when you already have the QV with the DCT transmission anyways, therefore making a less-powerful version with an automatic transmission meaningless? The only reason I can find for this would be the one you've mentioned, a possible, more luxurious version. But still, it's either that or Cracker's reason (which is also your own);

Or a limit to how much power that particular auto box can handle.

Emissions? I wouldn't bet on that to be honest, as Alfa would just add that information to all the QV variations, not just the "autotragic" one...

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I can't think of another car that has DSG, Auto, and Manual gearbox options for the same engine. Can anyone think of another example?

 

[JC_Dude]

Interesting; two different variations of the V6 engine, one with 490 hp and other with 500? What is the justification for having two versions of the same engine with only a 10 hp gap? From what I see, only the transmission is different between the two (MT for the 500 hp version, AT for the 490 one). And then there is a "DCT" version of the V6 model, which only makes things even more complex...

Well, regardless of this, the lineup does seem to cover a wide range of possible markets; lower-powered (and likely to be the cheapest) diesel versions, mid-range sportier models with petrol engines and of course the tippy-top, high-powered V6 Quadrifoglio versions. It's definitely being aimed at the A4/E-Class market, with all the associated risks behind that goal.

Most likely some kind of performance package

 

[YSSMAN]

I can't think of another car that has DSG, Auto, and Manual gearbox options for the same engine. Can anyone think of another example?

I'm stretching my neurons here, but part of me is assuming that the alphabet/number soup of engines over at VW that a strapped with a turbo might fit in, here. I had been under the impression that the 1.8T was available with a stick and the 7-speed DSG in the Jetta, but depending on trim, got a traditional automatic instead of the GLI's DSG. But now that the 1.4T has replaced the holy crap they still make that? 2.0L, I might be getting my products crossed.

Only other thing I can think of is the Dodge Dart, and its own weird case of mixing engines, transmissions, and trims. When the car first launched, you could get the 1.4T with a dual-clutch, a stick, and I thought with the 9-Speed ZF box... But I think all of that changed after the first year, when the 1.4T was limited to the "Aero" models, while everything else got the 2.4L and either a stick or that ZF unit.

 

[psntomaz]

Giulia 275hp starting at "Around $40,000"

ATS Starting from (2.0t standard-Premium) $37,245-48,110

3 Series Starting (328i-340i) at $38,350-47,800

C Class starting at 38,950-43,950

 

[Grandea GTR]

... I expected a bit less than around $40,000 base.

 

[psntomaz]

... I expected a bit less than around $40,000 base.

275hp I4 isnt really the "Base" since there are reports of smaller 180hp variants being avaliable. but so Far the Base Alfa is equal to many Top of the line Non performance car trims of its class.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

US won't be getting the European base version which is 2.2l diesel.

 

[hasslemoff]

Equipment list.

https://www.alfaromeousa.com/content/dam/alfausa/pdf/techsheet/usa/giulia/2017_AR_Giulia_FA.pdf

 

[TheCracker]

I can't think of another car that has DSG, Auto, and Manual gearbox options for the same engine. Can anyone think of another example?

Did the Nissan Qashqai come with an auto, a manual and a CVT? - or was the CVT in place of the slush-box auto option?

 

[CTznOfTime]

Cant wait to see one out and about in the streets...

 

[CodeRedR51]

Build your own.

 

[88GTA]

Won't let me build the Giulia, only the 4C.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

I do suppose it works here, if this is what you're looking for... Went for a "Full Stealth Black" approach, and I like the results, with all due honesty.

 

[RACECAR]

Decided throw mah hat in the ring and give it a go:

Didn't really want something shouty, just went with something that's kinda subtle. I think it looks cool.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

I expected there would be more things to do than just color and wheels.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

I expected there would be more things to do than just color and wheels.

You can choose interior color combinations as well, but that's about all you can do currently. Since it only has the Quadrifoglio model, you can't really pick equipment or anything of the sort...

 

[hasslemoff]

March 14th production starts. http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...omeo-giulia-production-will-begin-march-14th/.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

The more pictures I see of this car, the more I expect to see BMW's kidney grille.. Surely I'm not the only one? It *is* very BMW-ish from the front..

 

[Grandea GTR]

The more pictures I see of this car, the more I expect to see BMW's kidney grille.. Surely I'm not the only one? It *is* very BMW-ish from the front..

Not seeing it.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I saw it in pics, but in person it doesn't look much like a 3 at all. Actually, if anything, it has a hint of Il Mostro about it: