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Ive seen some things in the sky that can only be described as UFOs (not aliens, just ufo) for example a shooting star falling in a spiral pattern.
CodeRedR51
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I've seen things many years ago while camping in the middle of nowhere that looked like satellites traveling across the sky, but would change direction suddenly, sometimes multiple times. This was about 14 years ago though.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)
Now imagine 30 years ago seeing something resembling the Stealth Bomber flying around. You'd think it's a spaceship...sure looks like one anyway.
Chances are it's Uncle Sam trying out some new toys. Will you know or hear about it in the news? Will there be a product rollout like you'd see in the auto world? Hell no.
"Loose lips sink ships."
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It's practically certain that there are many thousands of intelligent civilisations out there. The only downer being it's so difficult to discover and get in touch with them. There are also the time differences, thousands of amazing cultured planets may have had there time, existed and gone millions of years ago.
If the home planets still exist there is much more chance of finding archaeological sites of alien civilisations rather than them actually being there to greet/fight us. But then that still leaves the issue of getting there to dig out the ground. Which is too difficult so you have to do what you can do which is remote listening/observing, which can only rely on a tiny time frame of a civilisation that is enjoying it's existence.
But still the numbers are so vast we might get lucky.
Our nearest star (apart from the Sun) is 4 light years away, which is reasonably close enough to send an expedition to with a spaceship that had a generating crew of families (the school curriculum would be non optional, it is learn how to fly and run this spaceship..and sex is mandatory)
There might have once existed a planet there with life on it to say hello to, but now there is no planet, we just exist at the wrong time to miss our sentient alien neighbours of our solar system.
They may have even transmitted radio signals in our direction, but the last waves would have passed us by 4 years after they ceased.
Dotini
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This type of observation is very common, and can be repeated (hint, hint) by people living in areas with nice, clear, dark skies at night.
If it can be determined that what you are observing is at high altitude and not a firefly, or light reflected off a duck's bottom (Lubbock Lights explanation), then we have a good question on our hands. Thanks for your very pertinent post.👍
This phenomenon of objects entering and leaving orbit is strictly off-limits for any type of discussion whatsoever by DOD/State Department, according to a very recent and little-noticed Wikileak:
A source from within the inner circle of the Wikileaks team has confidentially leaked to All News Web the content of a State Dept cable, concerning UFO affairs, that Wikileaks has declined to upload onto their website.
The cable states: "It is critical all embassy staff understand that they are not to discuss under any circumstance concerns DOD has with UFOs entering orbit, once again the seriousness of this matter cannot be overstated"
http://www.allnewsweb.com/page1199999467.php
Respectfully,
Dotini
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blaaah
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The statement has no meaning though.
It could mean that the issue of UFO is so of non interest to the government that they are saying it must not be discussed as if you do you are wasting the time you are being paid for.
Such a thing happened in the UK public sightings are not even allowed to be recorded or investigated by the Ministry of Defence as it's a waste of time and taxpayers money.
So that could be one meaning of the statement, or it might be a fake and not something wikileaks ever had or leaked.
It could mean that the issue of UFO is so of non interest to the government that they are saying it must not be discussed as if you do you are wasting the time you are being paid for.
Such a thing happened in the UK public sightings are not even allowed to be recorded or investigated by the Ministry of Defence as it's a waste of time and taxpayers money.
So that could be one meaning of the statement, or it might be a fake and not something wikileaks ever had or leaked.
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None of the ones spotted by the public though, that was my point.
The UK office that looks into them has closed, if a member of public wanted to report one no one would listen.
A quote of the 2009 MOD statement:
"The MOD has no opinion on the existence or otherwise of extra-terrestrial life. However, in over fifty years, no UFO report has revealed any evidence of a potential threat to the United Kingdom. The MOD has no specific capability for identifying the nature of such sightings. There is no defence benefit in such investigation and it would be an inappropriate use of defence resources.
Furthermore, responding to reported UFO sightings diverts MOD resources from tasks that are relevant to Defence.
Accordingly, in order to make best use of defence resources, we have decided that from 1 December 2009 the dedicated UFO hotline answer-phone service and e-mail address will be withdrawn. The MOD will no longer respond to reported UFO sightings or investigate them."
The MOD have made all the UFO sightings public information and no longer secret. Here is the last ever set of records for 2009. No more records are being logged.
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/41A2F229-95B9-47E5-99C6-CB242838A03C/0/ufo_report_2009.pdf
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CodeRedR51
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Yeah, it was super clear. I was at a "summer camp" type place (in 5th grade) on a school trip. We were in the middle of the rocky mountains, tucked back in an area where there was only one road out of there. The continental divide was a stones throw away from the camp.
Needless to say we were in the middle of nowhere.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8276756/Alien-life-deemed-impossible-by-analysis-of-500-planets.html
Alien life deemed impossible, according to this article I just read in the Telegraph, take a quick read. The claim goes against recent understandings about the universe and scientific theory, and is against my own thoughts on the matter (I predict alien life is plentiful), so the first thing I thought this guy, Howard Smith senior astrophysicist at Harvard must be some kind of religious nut. And would you you believe it, a quick google look up reveals he is a traditional observant Jew and has written a book on how the universe is similar to old religious texts..
"THE UNIVERSE BEGAN out of nothing 13.7 billion years ago and has expanded in an evolving process that resembles one that Jewish mystics envisioned centuries ago. In Let There Be Light, astrophysicist Howard Smith clearly explains the modern scientific understanding of the cosmos and explores how it complements Judaism’s ancient mystical theology, Kabbalah. He argues that an underlying harmony exists between science and religion, and he uses cosmology and Kabbalah as detailed examples to show that a dialogue between the two sheds light on ethics, free will, and the sanctity of life."
This guy has an agenda, it's not scientific.
Alien life deemed impossible, according to this article I just read in the Telegraph, take a quick read. The claim goes against recent understandings about the universe and scientific theory, and is against my own thoughts on the matter (I predict alien life is plentiful), so the first thing I thought this guy, Howard Smith senior astrophysicist at Harvard must be some kind of religious nut. And would you you believe it, a quick google look up reveals he is a traditional observant Jew and has written a book on how the universe is similar to old religious texts..
"THE UNIVERSE BEGAN out of nothing 13.7 billion years ago and has expanded in an evolving process that resembles one that Jewish mystics envisioned centuries ago. In Let There Be Light, astrophysicist Howard Smith clearly explains the modern scientific understanding of the cosmos and explores how it complements Judaism’s ancient mystical theology, Kabbalah. He argues that an underlying harmony exists between science and religion, and he uses cosmology and Kabbalah as detailed examples to show that a dialogue between the two sheds light on ethics, free will, and the sanctity of life."
This guy has an agenda, it's not scientific.
Dotini
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http://news.exopoliticsinstitute.org/index.php/archives/890
At five thousand dollars a ticket, some business leaders got more than they bargained for when they attended the first day of the Global Competitiveness Forum (GCF) being held in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies. Convened each year by the Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority, the GCF brings together business and political leaders to discuss ways of promoting business competitiveness. For the first time at its annual conference, the GCF held a panel discussing UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Titled Learning from Outer Space the panel comprised five speakers who all endorsed the view that extraterrestrial life is real, and has many implications for the world as we know it.
The panel was held on January 23, and was a main plenary session meaning all GCF participants were able to attend and hear what the experts had to say about UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Up to 1000 participants included business and political elites such as former British and Canadian Prime Ministers, Tony Blair and Jean Chretien; Jim Albaugh, President and CEO of Boeing; Andy Bird, chairman of Walt Disney International; Jared Cohen, Director of Google ideas, and many others.
At five thousand dollars a ticket, some business leaders got more than they bargained for when they attended the first day of the Global Competitiveness Forum (GCF) being held in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. They were told flying saucers are real, and they better start thinking about the business implications of extraterrestrial life and technologies. Convened each year by the Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority, the GCF brings together business and political leaders to discuss ways of promoting business competitiveness. For the first time at its annual conference, the GCF held a panel discussing UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Titled Learning from Outer Space the panel comprised five speakers who all endorsed the view that extraterrestrial life is real, and has many implications for the world as we know it.
The panel was held on January 23, and was a main plenary session meaning all GCF participants were able to attend and hear what the experts had to say about UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Up to 1000 participants included business and political elites such as former British and Canadian Prime Ministers, Tony Blair and Jean Chretien; Jim Albaugh, President and CEO of Boeing; Andy Bird, chairman of Walt Disney International; Jared Cohen, Director of Google ideas, and many others.
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I think that there are other lifeforms in the universe and my reason is like others have said, with the size of the universe there is more chance of there being life on other planets and relatively no chance that there isn't.
I have also seen strange things in the sky mostly when I was younger, the house I was in at the time had a good view. Only a few weeks ago I was having a smoke in the back yard and I happened to look up and there was something quite low in the sky moving slowly in a straight line and then it veered off to the right out of view over my house, the strange thing is it had no lights and I only saw it as the light of the moon lit it up. It was hard to make out the shape of it but it had a plane like shape to it and it made no sound.
I have also seen strange things in the sky mostly when I was younger, the house I was in at the time had a good view. Only a few weeks ago I was having a smoke in the back yard and I happened to look up and there was something quite low in the sky moving slowly in a straight line and then it veered off to the right out of view over my house, the strange thing is it had no lights and I only saw it as the light of the moon lit it up. It was hard to make out the shape of it but it had a plane like shape to it and it made no sound.
Believing the one or the other is anti-scientific. The fact that we don't have any evidence leaves it unanswered though I'd argue it's more healthy to believe that there might be alien life because with that rational it would be easier to find it because you'd spend more effort doing so.
As for the subject of greys. They most likely exist. Denying categorically their existense is calling the total of myriads of people who have encountered them liars. Are they extra-terrestials? Maybe not, they may be intra-terrestials and with it goes the theory of hollow earth, its inhabitants and its litterature. Of course it carries the stigma of being solely a literature with minimal, if any, scientific backing which brings it vis-a-vis to a disadvantage to conventional science and its solid earth theory.
Then there are the theories of the conspiracyologists, like Icke's Reptilians and Von Daniken's alien "Gods" which for the most part I find dubious because they practise selective literature review combined with "enlightment". But they may have pieces of truth and it's not useless to keep them at the back of your mind. For instance, I find fascinating Icke's claim that the Reptilians have an addiction with symbols and rituals. That fits the 2012 topic and how it is a key year for the destruction (of the old) world. Also some very, very suspicious perseverance with the so called "holy geometry" that we keep confronting everywhere, Nazca lines, Statue of Liberty being in reality a depiction of an ancient Babylonian godess etc.
At the possibility for any alien civilization outside our solar system there is the strong arguement of vast distance and the barrier of the speed of light. Besides not a very great speed if you consider the magnitude of space. The counter arguement is that they savagely bend the fabric of spacetime and instead connect remote areas with wormholes using huge energy generators such as black holes for the process. Their play with time (or rather the rate or rhythm of energy flow as I argue in the astronomy thread) explains also the radical movements of UFOs that defy the laws of inertia and supposedly kill any living beings inside of them.
This is solved because they operate inside a shield of a different flow of time. Instead, they look on us in slow motion yawning as everything procceeds in comedic slow motion and they turn at safe speeds. This would sound absurd a century ago but no more after Einstein published the general relativity. For more on the subject on antigravity and spacetime manipulation watch these series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4zQ4R8vJg Though he doesn't really produce antigravity but uses soundwaves on liquids to illustrate it. Anyhow very interesting.
I have a picture of me little in the woods and on the sky there is a strange round aircraft. Pity the quality is not very good since it's not digital, I believe it was Polaroid. I'll upload it when I find it.
The truth is out there.
As for the subject of greys. They most likely exist. Denying categorically their existense is calling the total of myriads of people who have encountered them liars. Are they extra-terrestials? Maybe not, they may be intra-terrestials and with it goes the theory of hollow earth, its inhabitants and its litterature. Of course it carries the stigma of being solely a literature with minimal, if any, scientific backing which brings it vis-a-vis to a disadvantage to conventional science and its solid earth theory.
Then there are the theories of the conspiracyologists, like Icke's Reptilians and Von Daniken's alien "Gods" which for the most part I find dubious because they practise selective literature review combined with "enlightment". But they may have pieces of truth and it's not useless to keep them at the back of your mind. For instance, I find fascinating Icke's claim that the Reptilians have an addiction with symbols and rituals. That fits the 2012 topic and how it is a key year for the destruction (of the old) world. Also some very, very suspicious perseverance with the so called "holy geometry" that we keep confronting everywhere, Nazca lines, Statue of Liberty being in reality a depiction of an ancient Babylonian godess etc.
At the possibility for any alien civilization outside our solar system there is the strong arguement of vast distance and the barrier of the speed of light. Besides not a very great speed if you consider the magnitude of space. The counter arguement is that they savagely bend the fabric of spacetime and instead connect remote areas with wormholes using huge energy generators such as black holes for the process. Their play with time (or rather the rate or rhythm of energy flow as I argue in the astronomy thread) explains also the radical movements of UFOs that defy the laws of inertia and supposedly kill any living beings inside of them.
This is solved because they operate inside a shield of a different flow of time. Instead, they look on us in slow motion yawning as everything procceeds in comedic slow motion and they turn at safe speeds. This would sound absurd a century ago but no more after Einstein published the general relativity. For more on the subject on antigravity and spacetime manipulation watch these series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4zQ4R8vJg Though he doesn't really produce antigravity but uses soundwaves on liquids to illustrate it. Anyhow very interesting.
I have a picture of me little in the woods and on the sky there is a strange round aircraft. Pity the quality is not very good since it's not digital, I believe it was Polaroid. I'll upload it when I find it.
The truth is out there.
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Everything very far fetched for the most of us but: The Reptilians are claimed to be seen by many of those, who encounter the Greys, the Greys are supposed to be their slave-worker race, doing the dirty bits of the job, like abducting humans. So the so-called "Reptilians" are encountered alongside the Greys, watching the Greys doing their work, observing various procidures (such as sperm or egg-taking).
As for the nature of the Greys: Most of them, not all, may be meta-physical, extra-/multidimensional beings with paranormal abilities like telekineses, mind-reading, through-walls walking etc. This is the reason why some more religious folks consider them as the possible modern representation of the Biblical or Middle-Age demons or one part of the "Fallen Angels".
Interesting to point out here is, that in the book of Enoch (one more of the Bible's books, which have been taken out of the Bible if I remember right), there is one line, fitting the whole theme of the alien Greys, it goes as follows: "The nephilim were the children of the Earth's women and the watchers, those, who fly above."
Again, very far-fetched for the most but I find it an interesting link.
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Yes, but that would be the line of the Bible (book of Enoch is not in the Bible, but was there once supposedly). Even if it differs, think about what it says: "Sons of God"=Angels. They did the forbidden=making children with daughters of man, so they became the "Fallen Angels", fallen in the eyes of the Lord if you want so. Maybe they were "the Fallen ones" already, but that does not exclude, that they still can be called:"the Sons of God", as originally, they were Angels=Sons of God.
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In my opinion it would be insane to assume that there was no other life 'out there' and incredibly arrogant to assume that there was no other intelligent life 'out there'...
Purely by number the balance of probabilities must conclude that intelligent live exists elsewhere other than on our planet.
Just my thoughts on this
Purely by number the balance of probabilities must conclude that intelligent live exists elsewhere other than on our planet.
Just my thoughts on this
Dotini
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In my opinion it would be insane to assume that there was no other life 'out there' and incredibly arrogant to assume that there was no other intelligent life 'out there'...
Purely by number the balance of probabilities must conclude that intelligent live exists elsewhere other than on our planet.
Just my thoughts on this
A number of people have argued that intelligent life must exist elsewhere simply on the basis of probability due to the likely number of planets in the known universe. Yet no planet has yet been discovered which would support biological life as we know it. (It's possible primitive biological life could exist on Mars or one of the Saturnian moons like Enceladus.) Certainly no proof or even strong evidence of intelligent life exists for anyplace other than on Earth.
In my opinion, intelligent life is likely to exist, but not in biological form. This is because 99.9999% of the known universe consists of electrically charged plasma such as stars, quasars, nebulae and galactic nuclei; rocky planets and moons account only for the tiny remainder. So life of an electrical nature is fundamentally more probable than life of a biological nature. Biological lifeforms cannot exist without electrical transactions at the level of neurons. But can electrical lifeforms exist without biology? Experiments in plasma physics labs around the world have already produced plasmoids that mimic many of the functions of lifeforms as we know them, including self-organization, reproduction and lifespan. Incidentally, electrical "plasmas" are so named because they resemble blood cells, having cellular walls called sheaths or double layers which contain the charged particles within and prevent mixing with other plasma cells of differing charge. Links to the science papers describing some of these experiments can be found in this thread among my earlier posts.
Respectfully submitted,
Dotini
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In my opinion it would be insane to assume that there was no other life 'out there' and incredibly arrogant to assume that there was no other intelligent life 'out there'...
Purely by number the balance of probabilities must conclude that intelligent live exists elsewhere other than on our planet.
Just my thoughts on this
I would like to think that there is life out there as well.It may not be in our galaxy but i can see it in others.
There are millions of galaxies and millions of white and red dwarfs and other big stars like our own sun that can be seen afar by scientists today.So some sort of planet out there has to be able to have life.
As long as the planet is in the area of having just the right temperature and having the basic building blocks for life i can see this being highly possible.
One thing to know though is that the gravity would not be the same(i think).In a world with less gravity you would have very tall thin like creatures and with a heavy gravity you have creatures that are close to the ground and lots of winged animals as well.This is just a guess at what they would be like,but i think this is pretty accurate.
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Dotini
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Not far from you in North Carolina is a place called Brown Mountain, where for hundreds of years odd lights have been seen running along a certain ridge. These are called the Brown Mountain Lights.
Near me in Washington State on the Yakima Indian Reservation near Mt Adams, there's a place called Toppenish Ridge where for decades similar lights have been seen and photographed by US government fire lookouts, and many others, including professional scientists and researchers. These have been known to interact with humans in odd ways, sometimes producing feelings of intense fear or other hallucinatory effects. These lights will emerge from the ground in certain places, scoot around for time at various altitudes and nearby areas, then go back into the ground. They are usually seen as softly glowing balls of red or orange lights. Some people have called them UFO's. I call them plasmoids; they seem to have an intelligence similar to an animal.
Respectfully submitted,
Dotini
