Aliens

[Dotini]

Anyone going to see Battle: Los Angeles next month?

I may see it, since there was a true historical incident called the Battle of Los Angeles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQmbGMWlL7w&NR=1

Several people were killed from falling anti-aircraft shells, and the incident was never satisfactorily explained. You can see a famous photo where a disc shaped blob is transfixed in searchlight beams and shells are exploding all over the place.

During this same WW2 era, similar blobs of light dubbed "foo-fighters" were seen by pilots of both sides in both the European and Pacific theaters of war. The harmless phantasms were thought to be secret weapons deployed by the other side, but were never satisfactorily explained.

Following the war, mysterious incidents occurred where "green meteors" (see the report of famous meteor scientist Lincoln LaPaz) were seen changing course over the Los Alamos atomic test site. Trained military teams equipped with theodolites and radar tracked these things, but the phenomenon eventually went away without satisfactory explanation.

Numerous government panels of top scientists investigated UFO's during the late forties and early fifties (Project Sign, Project Grudge, the Condon Commission). They came to the conclusion that although there was a real phenomenon at work, it represented no threat to the US, and government efforts to investigate and explain UFO's petered out with Project Bluebook. The cultural awareness of UFO's was useful to the Air Force, as it gave cover for actual secret aircraft experiments. The Brookings Institution took a dimmer view in a report commissioned by NASA. They reasoned that since previous civilizations had been injured or ended by contact with advanced European explorers, conquerors, colonists, etc, then so could we if we came into contact with advanced alien intelligences. There may be something in that.

I did not believe there is any "disclosure project" in the works.

As previously explained in earlier posts, I think the phenomenon is a natural one, based on plasma physics. Some crude level of intelligence seems to be implicated in some of the reports, but it's hard to fully credit, since electromagnetic fields can cause percipients to hallucinate. On the other hand, experiments in the laboratory indicate some plasma phenomena have the potential for self-organization, replication, properties of changing shape, size, color, speed and direction, etc. - responses that are close to life-like.

Respectfully submitted,
Dotini

Edit: I watched the trailer, and decided I will not attend.
Here's a link to the real "Battle":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQmbGMWlL7w&NR=1

 

[Alex p.]

And in all honesty if there was such a thing as a disclosure plan that Hollywood movies were preparing us for then I would expect more of this and ET and less of the alien invasion style stuff. If they are trying to prepare me to accept some kind of truth then I should be stocking up on firearms.

Absolutely true/right.

But there is another theory, yes. That they would use a faked Alien invasion to impose/introduce the new world order= (The leading thought will be: we gotta unite!=centralized government, military, etc.)

 

[sumbrownkid]

What my question is, after we discover aliens, is that do we try to be in harmony with the aliens, or do we try to exploit and dominate them...like how how most of man's history is.

 

[CodeRedR51]

What my question is, after we discover aliens, is that do we try to be in harmony with the aliens, or do we try to exploit and dominate them...like how how most of man's history is.

Guess that all depends on how intelligent they are. If they have more advanced technology than us, I wouldn't even try it. They might just decide to blow up the whole planet.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Guess that all depends on how intelligent they are. If they have more advanced technology than us, I wouldn't even try it. They might just decide to blow up the whole planet.

Even Nazi Germany was more advanced than the allied powers in weaponry and battle tactics, but we all know what happened.

You're right though, it will depend on their intelligence. I just hope whatever aliens we encounter don't have fossil fuels under them. I can see all the oil companies buying every space ship possible and race over to that planet.

 

[DK]

I can see all the oil companies buying every space ship possible and race over to that planet.

And of course, the obligatory BP oil spill and the crappy apology campaign afterwards.

 

[sumbrownkid]

And of course, the obligatory BP oil spill and the crappy apology campaign afterwards.

And BP will end up passing the blame onto NASA somehow too.

 

[Dotini]

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/23/retired-army-colonel-says-ufos-are-real-but-denies-government-c/

Here's an astute article which discloses much on the issue of aliens and UFO's

Some snippets:

Whether you believe or disbelieve the notion that UFOs are visitors from another planet, a former highly decorated military officer now comes forward with information that may infuriate those on both sides in the ongoing ET debate.

Retired Col. John Alexander, using his military savvy and high security clearance, spent a quarter of a century going through the top levels of the U.S. government and military searching for the group of people who were allegedly responsible for UFO information and the supposedly decades-old UFO cover-up.

His conclusions: Not only is there no such group and no cover-up, but disclosure about UFOs has already occurred on different official levels.

Retired Army Col. John Alexander says UFO disclosure has already occurred, and the ultimate solution to UFOs is more complex than most people think.
With so many people crying out these days for the U.S. government or the United Nations or even the Vatican to issue some sort of "we are not alone in the universe" disclosure statement, Alexander says the information has been dripping out all around us, over decades, with top officials casually making statements about UFOs.

He references this 1950 remark made by President Harry Truman: "I can assure you the flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on Earth."

"Disclosure has happened," Alexander added. "It starts with former presidents Truman, Carter, Reagan and [the Soviet Union's] Gorbachev. I've got stacks of generals, including Soviet generals, who've come out and said UFOs are real. My point is, how many times do senior officials need to come forward and say this is real?" Alexander told AOL News.
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After many years of deep research into UFOs, Alexander is convinced from both a personal and military point of view that it's a much more complex issue than the idea of Earth being visited by extraterrestrials. He proposes a concept called precognitive sentient phenomena.

"The point is there is something out there that is sentient. When I say precognitive, it knows -- whatever it is -- not only what it is going to present, but how we are going to respond to it.

The information presented in this article supports my own view, expressed for years here at GTP, that UFO's are plasma (the 4th state of matter) some of which are possessed of consciousness (which is timeless and universal) interacting in inscrutable ways with humans.

There are passages in the Qu'ran which describe the Jinn as fashioned from smokeless fire, which is a way of describing plasma. Our Muslim friends here at GTP have some pretty interesting insights into the question of Jinn ("genies").

Respectfully submitted,
Dotini

 

[Touring Mars]

interacting in inscrutable ways with humans

If alien intelligences or beings are interacting with us (or anything else for that matter) in 'inscrutable ways', how can anyone say with any credibility that there is anything happening at all? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but the above quote is a classic example of how one may conveniently side-step the issue of evidence completely. Unfortunately, that makes it impossible for a skeptical third party to be anything other than even more skeptical. I also presume that by 'inscrutable' we are not just talking about activity beyond our current abilities of detection, but 'absolutely inscrutable'? The very notion that there are intelligences out there with the capacity to influence us or to interact with us in ways that are forever beyond our scrutiny is a strange one. One could be forgiven for thinking, 'If this is true, and I can never know what these things are doing, or for what purpose, then why should I waste my time thinking about them?'

 

[sumbrownkid]

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/23/retired-army-colonel-says-ufos-are-real-but-denies-government-c/

Here's an astute article which discloses much on the issue of aliens and UFO's

Some snippets:

Whether you believe or disbelieve the notion that UFOs are visitors from another planet, a former highly decorated military officer now comes forward with information that may infuriate those on both sides in the ongoing ET debate.

Retired Col. John Alexander, using his military savvy and high security clearance, spent a quarter of a century going through the top levels of the U.S. government and military searching for the group of people who were allegedly responsible for UFO information and the supposedly decades-old UFO cover-up.

His conclusions: Not only is there no such group and no cover-up, but disclosure about UFOs has already occurred on different official levels.

Retired Army Col. John Alexander says UFO disclosure has already occurred, and the ultimate solution to UFOs is more complex than most people think.
With so many people crying out these days for the U.S. government or the United Nations or even the Vatican to issue some sort of "we are not alone in the universe" disclosure statement, Alexander says the information has been dripping out all around us, over decades, with top officials casually making statements about UFOs.

He references this 1950 remark made by President Harry Truman: "I can assure you the flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on Earth."

"Disclosure has happened," Alexander added. "It starts with former presidents Truman, Carter, Reagan and [the Soviet Union's] Gorbachev. I've got stacks of generals, including Soviet generals, who've come out and said UFOs are real. My point is, how many times do senior officials need to come forward and say this is real?" Alexander told AOL News.
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After many years of deep research into UFOs, Alexander is convinced from both a personal and military point of view that it's a much more complex issue than the idea of Earth being visited by extraterrestrials. He proposes a concept called precognitive sentient phenomena.

"The point is there is something out there that is sentient. When I say precognitive, it knows -- whatever it is -- not only what it is going to present, but how we are going to respond to it.

The information presented in this article supports my own view, expressed for years here at GTP, that UFO's are plasma (the 4th state of matter) some of which are possessed of consciousness (which is timeless and universal) interacting in inscrutable ways with humans.

There are passages in the Qu'ran which describe the Jinn as fashioned from smokeless fire, which is a way of describing plasma. Our Muslim friends here at GTP have some pretty interesting insights into the question of Jinn ("genies").

Respectfully submitted,
Dotini

Now that I think about it, I never really thought that UFOs can be possible hints of Jinn technology. This can be an also very good possibility.

But Jinns usually don't reveal their true forms to humans without an underlying motive (scare the crap out of us, for poops and giggles...etc.). Were UFOs Jinn vessels to accomplish those motives?

I just hope they have magic carpets too.

 

[Dotini]

If alien intelligences or beings are interacting with us (or anything else for that matter) in 'inscrutable ways', how can anyone say with any credibility that there is anything happening at all? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but the above quote is a classic example of how one may conveniently side-step the issue of evidence completely. Unfortunately, that makes it impossible for a skeptical third party to be anything other than even more skeptical. I also presume that by 'inscrutable' we are not just talking about activity beyond our current abilities of detection, but 'absolutely inscrutable'? The very notion that there are intelligences out there with the capacity to influence us or to interact with us in ways that are forever beyond our scrutiny is a strange one. One could be forgiven for thinking, 'If this is true, and I can never know what these things are doing, or for what purpose, then why should I waste my time thinking about them?'

Wonderful, intelligent questions!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I make no pretense of having a fully completed science, with textbooks jammed with peer-reviewed, accepted theories and easily reproduced experiments.

What I am advocating is addressing an age-old mystery and applying our best minds and tools to it and see if we can't come to a better understanding. Rather than side-stepping evidence, we should confront it openly. With your astute intelligence and skills, TM, I'm sure we could make some progress. I don't assert that the phenomena are forever beyond our scrutiny, only that we are early in the process of scientific scrutiny. In terms of wasting time, only you can answer that question for yourself. Certainly the question of aliens and UFO's is not as important as putting food on the table, paying your bills, holding a job and all the myriad things that make life a serious challenge. Right now, it's an optional quest for those with a light heart, free time and free spirit. Please join me if you qualify.

I have quite a lot of data to share with the interested which explores the questions above.

Highest regards,
Dotini

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Um.. Conscious plasma..? How? Since when?

 

[Sureboss]

If alien intelligences or beings are interacting with us (or anything else for that matter) in 'inscrutable ways', how can anyone say with any credibility that there is anything happening at all? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but the above quote is a classic example of how one may conveniently side-step the issue of evidence completely.

It's almost a carbon copy of religion. Which is why such statements and assessments will never become fact. With a complete lack of disclosure from governments for various reasons (and I'm not pointing to some form of new world order ), there will always be question marks about UFOs and the irrational and illogical explanations will continue. Whilst the search for answers is something we should always strive for, it has to be done in the correct manner.

Whilst it would be foolish to say no other life exists in the Universe, to go from that to stating, "They're intelligent, they can travel to us, communicate with us and survive within our environment." seems very fanciful and bordering on delusional with the evidence at hand.

 

[Dotini]

Um.. Conscious plasma..? How? Since when?

Thanks for your important question, Leonidae@MFT.
I've made numerous posts on this subject at various points going back much earlier in the thread. I'll round up some of the science links and other clues and post them again for more convenient reference.

Respectfully,
Dotini

Edit entry #1:http://iopscience.iop.org/1367-2630/9/8/263/fulltext
Abstract. Complex plasmas may naturally self-organize themselves into stable interacting helical structures that exhibit features normally attributed to organic living matter. The self-organization is based on non-trivial physical mechanisms of plasma interactions involving over-screening of plasma polarization. As a result, each helical string composed of solid microparticles is topologically and dynamically controlled by plasma fluxes leading to particle charging and over-screening, the latter providing attraction even among helical strings of the same charge sign. These interacting complex structures exhibit thermodynamic and evolutionary features thought to be peculiar only to living matter such as bifurcations that serve as `memory marks', self-duplication, metabolic rates in a thermodynamically open system, and non-Hamiltonian dynamics. We examine the salient features of this new complex `state of soft matter' in light of the autonomy, evolution, progenity and autopoiesis principles used to define life. It is concluded that complex self-organized plasma structures exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter that may exist in space provided certain conditions allow them to evolve naturally.


Edit #2: http://ezinearticles.com/?Plasma-Life-Forms---Spheres,-Blobs,-Orbs-and-Subtle-Bodies&id=783224
In 2003 physicists; Erzilia Lozneanu and Mircea Sanduloviciu of Cuza University, Romania, described in their research paper Minimal Cell System created in Laboratory by Self-Organization (published in Chaos, Solitons & Fractals, volume 18, page 335), how they created plasma spheres in the laboratory that can grow, replicate and communicate - fulfilling most of the traditional requirements for biological cells. They are convinced that these plasma spheres offer a radically new explanation of how life began and proposed that they were precursors to biological evolution.http://www.dapla.org/pdf/Lozneanu1.pdf
"Thus, similar to biological cells, the boundary of a self-assembled gaseous cell provides a selective enclosure of an environment that qualitatively differs from the surrounding medium. The boundary appears as a spherical self-consistent electrical double layer (DL) able to sustain and control operations such as: (i) capture and transformation of energy, (ii) preferential and rhythmic exchange of matter across the system boundary and (iii) internal transformation of matter by means of a continuous ‘‘synthesis’’ of all components of the system."

Edit #3: http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.php/Double_layer
# Bio-physical analogy: A model of plasma double layers has been used to investigate their applicability to understanding ion transport across biological cell membranes.[46] Brazilian researchers have note that "Concepts like charge neutrality, Debye length, and double layer are very useful to explain the electrical properties of a cellular membrane.".[47] Plasma physicist Hannes Alfvén also noted that association of double layers with cellular structure,[48] as had Irving Langmuir before him, who coined the named "plasma" after its resemblance to blood cells.[49]

Edit #4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7jKL2-B0QA
Video lecture on Water, Energy and Life - all about plasma in water. <--TM needs to see this!

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Inorganic yet living matter.. Interesting. However, it's not conscious, and due the properties of plasma, it is somewhat impossible to perform tests to prove it.

 

[Dotini]

Inorganic yet living matter.. Interesting. However, it's not conscious, and due the properties of plasma, it is somewhat impossible to perform tests to prove it.

Hold on!

Our ride has only started. First we need to get used to the idea of inorganic yet "living" matter.

The question of consciousness and performing tests to prove it are next on the agenda. If we work together, we will get there.

Humbly submitted,
Dotini

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Sadly, I think that we will need a third world war in order to advance science enough to get to that point. As cynical as it might seem, human mind seems to work better when lives are at stake.

 

[Dotini]

Sureboss, Leonidae@MFT and TM all seem to vote "No" on any continued discussion. Therefore I must pause here until interest picks up.

 

[Touring Mars]

Sureboss, Leonidae@MFT and TM all seem to vote "No" on any continued discussion.

I wouldn't say that... I'm currently at work and can only check the forums sporadically at the moment (I'm not worried about the boss catching me, it's the students I really have to hide from...). I'll have a look at the vid you link to in your previous post, it's currently in a queue of about 5 other things I would like to do before the end of the week

 

[Sureboss]

Sureboss, Leonidae@MFT and TM all seem to vote "No" on any continued discussion. Therefore I must pause here until interest picks up.

I'm not saying "No" on any continued discussion, I'm stating that we should approach it with the appropriate Scientific methods. Not making a tonne of assumptions and then trying to find evidence to fit those assumptions or making conclusions based on no evidence. I'm all for continued debate, just in the right manner. 👍

 

[Vince_Fiero]

Hold on!

Our ride has only started. First we need to get used to the idea of inorganic yet "living" matter.

The question of consciousness and performing tests to prove it are next on the agenda. If we work together, we will get there.

Humbly submitted,
Dotini

We will end up in a discussion (again) on what constitutes "living".
With the outcome of 2 camps:
1) Living = like humans
2) Living = could be anything, have an open mind, or you will be missing the obvious

However why would the Plasma be Alien? Would it not be something earthly that we sometimes miss to recognise.

 

[Dotini]

However why would the Plasma be Alien? Would it not be something earthly that we sometimes miss to recognise.

Exactly!!

I've taken pains to stress that plasma is ubiquitous - 99.998% of the universe. http://www.plasma-universe.com/99.999%_plasma
It's found on Earth and everywhere in 1001 different forms. It's not alien at all. It's not magic, nor supernatural nor religious nor undetectable like dark matter or dark energy. It's natural and it's universal.

Well done, Vince!

Respectfully submitted,
Dotini

 

[Touring Mars]

I've taken pains to stress that plasma is ubiquitous - 99.998% of the universe. http://www.plasma-universe.com/99.999%_plasma
It's found on Earth and everywhere in 1001 different forms. It's not alien at all. It's not magic, nor supernatural nor religious nor undetectable like dark matter or dark energy. It's natural and it's universal.

That website has got the mass of the Sun wrong. They say "The Sun's mass makes up over 99.998% of the Solar System[1]". However, the reference doesn't state this. It states that everything else other than the Sun represents a fraction of 0.0015 (not a percentage), and hence the Sun is 99.85% (some say 99.87%) of the mass of the Solar system.

To put these numbers into some context, all life on Earth is a tiny percentage of the mass of the Solar system - something like 0.0000000003%, and yet it remains the only detectable life in the Universe thus far. Given that all the biodiversity on Earth can come from such a tiny fraction of the mass of the Solar system, I'm not convinced that the fact that the Solar system is 99.85% plasma is all that significant.

 

[blaaah]

Most of the Universe is a vacuum with nothing in it, so maybe that is what the most important life is, the life made of special vacuum nothingness life, it is so clever and sentient we have no way of communicating with it on it's dimensional thought.

 

[PeterJB]

You mean dark matter?

 

[Dotini]

That website has got the mass of the Sun wrong. They say "The Sun's mass makes up over 99.998% of the Solar System[1]". However, the reference doesn't state this. It states that everything else other than the Sun represents a fraction of 0.0015 (not a percentage), and hence the Sun is 99.85% (some say 99.87%) of the mass of the Solar system.

To put these numbers into some context, all life on Earth is a tiny percentage of the mass of the Solar system - something like 0.0000000003%, and yet it remains the only detectable life in the Universe thus far. Given that all the biodiversity on Earth can come from such a tiny fraction of the mass of the Solar system, I'm not convinced that the fact that the Solar system is 99.85% plasma is all that significant.

I have contacted the appropriate person(s) and the website has corrected the error you pointed out. Thanks for taking the time to read the article and making the effort to correct the error.

 

[Dotini]

A new claim of fossil alien life in a split-open meteorite: http://journalofcosmology.com/Life100.html
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...entists-claims-evidence-alien-life-meteorite/

 

[Sam48]

These kinds of claims have been made before, he noted -- and found to be false.
&#8220;It&#8217;s an extraordinary claim, and thus I&#8217;ll need extraordinary evidence,&#8221; Marais said.

I think that says it all really.

 

[Dotini]

Knowing that the study will be controversial, the journal invited members of the scientific community to analyze the results and to write critical commentaries ahead of time. Though none are online yet, those comments will be posted alongside the article, said Dr. Rudy Schild, a scientist with the Harvard-Smithsonian's Center for Astrophysics and the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Cosmology.

"Given the controversial nature of his discovery, we have invited 100 experts and have issued a general invitation to over 5,000 scientists from the scientific community to review the paper and to offer their critical analysis," Schild wrote in an editor's note along with the article. "No other paper in the history of science has undergone such a thorough vetting, and never before in the history of science has the scientific community been given the opportunity to critically analyze an important research paper before it is published, he wrote."

Dr. Seth Shostak, senior astronomer at the SETI Institute, said there is a lot of hesitancy to believe such proclamations. If true, the implications would be far-reaching throughout the fields of science and astronomy, the suggestions and possibilities stunning.

&#8220;Maybe life was seeded on earth -- it developed on comets for example, and just landed here when these things were hitting the very early Earth,&#8221; Shostak speculated. &#8220;It would suggest, well, life didn&#8217;t really begin on the Earth, it began as the solar system was forming.&#8221;

Hesitancy to believe new claims is something common and necessary to the field of science, Hoover said.

&#8220;A lot of times it takes a long time before scientists start changing their mind as to what is valid and what is not. I&#8217;m sure there will be many many scientists that will be very skeptical and that&#8217;s OK.&#8221;

Until Hoover&#8217;s research can be independently verified, Marais said, the findings should be considered &#8220;a potential signature of life.&#8221; Scientists, he said, will now take the research to the next level of scrutiny, which includes an independent confirmation of the results by another lab, before the findings can be classified &#8220;a confirmed signature of life.&#8221;

Hoover says he isn&#8217;t worried about the process and is open to any other explanations.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...-evidence-alien-life-meteorite/#ixzz1FmwwLOs9

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-alien-life-20110308,0,5561322.story

Scientists dismiss alien life report
A NASA researcher says he has found fossil bacteria in meteorites, but even his employer declines to stand behind that claim.

By Thomas H. Maugh II, Los Angeles Times

March 8, 2011

A report claiming to find remnants of alien life in meteorites has been broadly dismissed by scientists after its publication Friday in an eccentric online journal.

The report was written by Richard Hoover, an engineer at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. He had sliced open a couple of small meteorites, looked at them under a microscope and seen what he thought were the fossils of tiny bacteria called cyanobacteria.

Hoover wrote his report, concluding that life is common throughout the universe. He submitted a paper to the Journal of Astrobiology, which rejected it.

Hoover then sent his paper to the online Journal of Cosmology, which promotes the idea that life on Earth came from outer space. A report by Fox News on the paper triggered a meteor storm of publicity over the weekend, followed quickly by derision from mainstream scientists.

NASA has distanced itself from Hoover's work. In an unusual step Monday, Paul Hertz, chief scientist of NASA's science mission directorate, issued a statement saying, among other things, that "NASA cannot stand behind or support a scientific claim unless it has been peer-reviewed or thoroughly examined by other qualified experts.... NASA was unaware of the recent submission of the paper to the Journal of Cosmology or of the paper's subsequent publication."

The Journal of Cosmology is a 2-year-old publication developed by Rudy Schild of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics that has unabashedly promoted the thesis that life exists throughout the universe and was brought to Earth from elsewhere. The journal has published just 13 issues and, in a news release Monday, said it would cease publication in May, "killed by thieves and crooks" at the journal Science and other subscription-based periodicals, whom it has accused of stifling its ability to distribute news.

The Journal of Cosmology claims to be peer-reviewed. In this case, the journal's editors said it had sent a copy of Hoover's article to 100 prominent scientists for critiques and would publish them as they come in. In normal scientific publishing, peer review is conducted before a paper is published to ensure accuracy.

The assessment of scientists, for the main part, has been harsh. "I'm surprised anyone is granting it any credibility at all," wrote blogger and biologist Paul Z. Myers of the University of Minnesota.

"Move along folks. There's nothing to see here," wrote Rosie Redfield, a microbiologist at the University of British Columbia, saying that it is easy to find structures in nature that appear similar to bacteria.

"This appears to be science by wishful thinking," Redfield said in a telephone interview.

Hoover has not responded to media requests for interviews.

Others said that even if the traces Hoover spotted in the meteorite should prove to be bacteria, it would be difficult to rule out contamination.

This is not the first time that researchers have claimed to find fossils in a meteorite. In 1996, a NASA researcher &#8212; this time with the agency's imprimatur &#8212; said he had found fossil bacteria in a meteorite that had been blasted off the surface of Mars. The report, which was published in the journal Science, was featured on the cover of Time magazine and was trumpeted by the White House.

Eventually, however, most scientists concluded that what researchers had seen were merely rock formations that looked like fossils.

Last year, NASA-sponsored researchers said they had discovered that certain bacteria in Mono Lake in California could incorporate arsenic into their DNA in place of phosphorus, arguing that the finding indicated the possibility of unusual life forms in space. That conclusion also was derided by other scientists.

thomas.maugh@latimes.com

Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times

 

[blaaah]

Hoover has been scientifically discredited.
His paper is not scientific in the sense he gives no effort into proving himself wrong.
The principle of science is if you have an idea, you spend all the hard work and time trying to prove your idea is wrong not right.