Aliens

[Nicksfix]

nice one tfujiwara 👍

I do believe that there is some sort of extraterestrial life form out there and I do believe that they are far more advanced than us.There are a lot of U.F.O. reports out there (not all of which I believe),but when several different people from from different cities / states see the same thing in one night and each account is described exactly the same to a tee,it makes you kind of think.

As far as intelligence,they have been able to come to this planet and view us.....have we been to their planet to view them ? Who's got the technology to go where no man has gone before ?

 

[TheCracker]

Yeah, I forgot about Enceladus while writing that post. I think it is because it is relatively new information (was it last month we saw that image?) and I just haven't worked it into my mind yet.

Oddly enough, after looking up Enceladus on wiki, Cassini was due to do another low-level fly by of the moon just yesterday (11th Aug)

 

[homeforsummer]

Very likely we're not, we're too young. I know that sounds absolutely crazy, but as I have researched this topic now for almost 2 years and know really A LOT about it, I can assure you we are definately not alone and never have been, you can find a lot of hints even in the bible. There are said to be 3 very different types of intelligent lifeforms in the universe, all humanoid but CERTAINLY NOT human. First of the Greys, from the movies the small ones with big heads doing the abductions (allegedly they have an IQ of 1200!), than we have the lizzard-like or reptilian humanoids (allegedly being the best genetics in the universe), regarding us as cattle and being the masters of the Greys and than there are humans, just like us, only more intelligent and spiritualized, everywhere in the universe. The technologie of all the above mentioned races is said to be thousands of years in advance to our own, the races themselfes being even millions of years old.
Well thats at least what I "learned" from countless resources so far. And btw, no I'm not a no-life and I have never seen an alien or UFO myself.
I would sincerely recommend you to use the following links, which are all AWESOME videos on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LVLVmN6RZk -compilation of UFO footage-very good 👍
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjhqLkUmtA -alleged evidence of e.t. life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_Jcg1pc -compilation of NASA's video footage of UFO's

I'm still vastly sceptical of all this. "Greys" are a concept entirely composed by science fiction, and then run with by loonies. If genuinely intelligent life had visited our planet by now then I expect we'd be more aware of it than a few crazy stories.

And likewise, I choose not to use that work of fiction "The Bible" to extract "hints" about extra-terrestrial visitors...

 

[Christhedude]

i am also very interested in this subject, since my mom ( Ex -pilot) told me once, that they had a strange sighting during one of her many flights.
Or as i recall in 2007, a British Airways plane radioed in that the was an UFO near by them and not only the pilots but also the 100+ passengers so it, so that where i start getting confused.
When so many people, also credible people, say that they have seen those kind of "UFO's" then im really asking what is going on there.
I personally have not yet seen anything unusual in the sky, but my mother did when she was still flying.

I just watched this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjhqLkUmtA -alleged evidence of e.t. life

and it does make you think. I mean seriously, all those paintings (especially the egyptian with the helicopter etc) are just so impressive.
Maybe there really was an extraterrestrial life form visitng us frequently but they somehow died out or i dont know what happened to them.
I just unbelievable and i hope that in time we find thing out so we can put everything straight.

Chris

 

[J-PaP]

I think aliens have to exist. How can earth be the only planet in which life exists (regardless of its stage of evolution). To me it seems impossible for it to be only us. With regard to being visited by other beings, I have no idea. my thought was that if life does exist anywhere else i doubt it is evolved as much or much further than we have. Thus I doubt they can space travel and visit us.

 

[homeforsummer]

I'll just add that I'm absolutely certain that there's life elsewhere in the universe - I just happen to be extremely sceptical that we've already been visited.

I also just watched the video that Chris mentions above and I can see several flaws in what the video's creator has cobbled together. They're assuming far too easily that those very basic shapes are supposed to be "flying saucers". Yet again, the traditional image of the "flying saucer" is one created in the 50s in crummy B-movies and ever since then people have run with the idea. And surprise surprise, once someone has seen this image, all of a sudden you find thousands of people claiming they've seen something which looks near-as-damnit exactly the same as something they've seen in the movies.

And taking ancient statues as examples of aliens? Come on, most of the ancient Egyptian or Aztek Gods looked weirder than half of those statues. In fact, those statues were likely some of their Gods. Once again, they're being compared to a media image of what we believe aliens to look like today.

And further, the religious paintings. Religion is very heavy on symbolism. Someone sees a disc-shaped object in a painting and immediately assumes it to be influenced by some alien visit.

I wouldn't mind the video so much if it didn't appear to have been uploaded by your typical "it's all a conspiracy" type...

The implications of disclosure would drastically change our world for the better. The authority and power structure would fall apart. Wisdom and technology beyond our wildest imagination would become available. Free energy would stop our dependence on fossil fuels and end the destruction of the planet. This would also give us the ability to travel the solar system and beyond. Imagine the discovery waiting for us. What could advanced civilizations teach us? We would see the greatest changes this planet and culture have ever seen. Humanity would become free! This is beyond important, the evolution of mankind and survival of life on this planet depend on this.

I'm sorry, but this just sets off my loony alarm...

 

[Joey D]

I'm curious to hear from someone who doesn't believe there is life out and why they think that. I run into people like that from time to time and it's mainly due to religious reasons. I can't blame them though, can you imagine what would happen to organised religion if we found another form of life out there, whether intelligent or not?

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm curious to hear from someone who doesn't believe there is life out and why they think that. I run into people like that from time to time and it's mainly due to religious reasons. I can't blame them though, can you imagine what would happen to organised religion if we found another form of life out there, whether intelligent or not?

Those who don't actualy understand what The Bible is would freak out, but then after a few years they would calm down and send missionaries to spread diseases that the aliens have no resistance to try and convert them.

 

[Alex p.]

I'm still vastly sceptical of all this. "Greys" are a concept entirely composed by science fiction, and then run with by loonies.

No they're not, first pictures of them appeared after Roswell in 1947, mostly descriptions by alleged abducties (now people had more courage to tell their "loonic" experiences because of Roswell) and even by Military officials.

I mean seriously, all those paintings (especially the egyptian with the helicopter etc) are just so impressive.
Maybe there really was an extraterrestrial life form visitng us frequently but they somehow died out or i dont know what happened to them.
I just unbelievable and i hope that in time we find thing out so we can put everything straight.

Chris

I'm very glad there are still some people with an open mind. My mom told me similar stories. She and my father saw an UFO very closely (100-200 meters) in the air on one evening-night shift and they're quite old-fashioned, serious people. They got really scared and ran in our house, after that, the object dissappeared.
Btw, there was even a painting of a "Grey" on some Agyptian wall and than we know the Agyptians were highly advanced in Astronomy and Mathematics and have built huge structures 5000 years ago (the pyramids), which are still by today's standards remarkebly precise, I wonder why...

 

[homeforsummer]

No they're not, first pictures of them appeared after Roswell in 1947, mostly descriptions by alleged abducties (now people had more courage to tell their "loonic" experiences because of Roswell) and even by Military officials.

And how strange that their "experiences" came up with aliens that basically looked humanoid, but a bit different. Instead of something genuinely new.

Given that there is no such thing as a photograph of an alien, it's fair to say that the media's involvement has a lot to do with what people believe aliens to look like. Once one person says "an alien looks like this", all the "abductees" say "yes, that's what they looked like" in an attempt to add weight to their story. Because if more than one person has seen them it must be true...

 

[Bram Turismo]

I'll just add that I'm absolutely certain that there's life elsewhere in the universe - I just happen to be extremely sceptical that we've already been visited.

Agreed.

I cannot be more certain that there is other life out there. But what I do disagree on is the fact that we have been visited by other life already. Maybe we aren't the most intelligent creatures in the universe, but reflecting on what human life has brought forward on this planet and its evolution already you cannot say other creatures are that more intelligent than us. Yes, I don't know this, but I can hardly believe other creatures can be that more intelligent than us that they have found a way to travel to our planet. We are smart enough to know you cannot travel faster than light, so it seems a wormhole would be a solution to this problem as universe isn't really something flat. But such technology is way out of our limit of intelligence, and I can hardly believe other creatures have already millions of years before us come up with such things. Not to mention the resources this would require, and if those resources are to find on any planet. If we are able to develop technology such as radiowaves, surely they were also able to do this if they have technology to travel through space? And if so, I think we'd picked up a signal already multiple times. Even if we recieve a signal ever, it will be evidence that life similar to life on Earth will be far, very far remote form our planet. I also find it very funny that all this UFO and alien stuff always seem to happen in the sky above Area 51. If an alien UFO really visits us, it sure can pick out other places to land than in Area 51?

Is there other life out there? Yes.
Did they take a trip to Earth already? No.

 

[Alex p.]

And how strange that their "experiences" came up with aliens that basically looked humanoid, but a bit different. Instead of something genuinely new.

Given that there is no such thing as a photograph of an alien, it's fair to say that the media's involvement has a lot to do with what people believe aliens to look like. Once one person says "an alien looks like this", all the "abductees" say "yes, that's what they looked like" in an attempt to add weight to their story. Because if more than one person has seen them it must be true...

All your comments show that you're just close minded and ignorant. That's the impression I get. You try everything to discredit other peole's opinions AND experiences. I feel sorry for you. Take it as you want.

 

[theewar]

There are as many photographs of UFOs as there are of the Loch Ness Monster, and they are of equal quality: blurs and forgeries. Oddly, the advent of inexpensive video cameras has corresponded to a decrease in UFO sightings

I still picked>Yes, but I don't know what they'd be like < I just don't think they have ever been here among us

 

[homeforsummer]

All your comments show that you're just close minded and ignorant. That's the impression I get. You try everything to discredit other peole's opinions AND experiences. I feel sorry for you. Take it as you want.

The typical response from someone so stuck in their own views that they fail to acknowledge that other people have opinions too. Regardless, I shan't take your comment to heart. Other members of this forum can make up their minds on whether they find me "closed minded and ignorant" but speaking personally I can assure you I'm not.

Also, you haven't even slightly seen me trying to discredit other people's opinions and experiences yet. What I am in fact doing is using normal human logic, rather than heresay and psuedoscience.

Unless I'm much mistaken, I used the words "strongly sceptical" more than once. No matter how hard you try to assume that those words mean "you're all talking out of your bottom", I suspect you'll never come to that conclusion. What those words actually mean is that I don't believe the theories, but that's not to say they aren't true.

If someone was able to show me compelling academic or scientific evidence that aliens had landed on Earth then I'd be more than happy to revise my opinion. Until then, alien landings will remain on the list next to ghosts and God as "things I don't believe in".

As for aliens themselves: Judged by the laws of probability based on the unimaginable vastness of space, I'd put money on alien life being a mathematical near-certainty.

 

[Bram Turismo]

If someone was able to show me compelling academic or scientific evidence that aliens had landed on Earth then I'd be more than happy to revise my opinion. Until then, alien landings will remain on the list next to ghosts and God as "things I don't believe in".

As for aliens themselves: Judged by the laws of probability based on the unimaginable vastness of space, I'd put money on alien life being a mathematical near-certainty.

Nevermind my earlier post, homeforsummer summed it up better than I tried in half the amount of lines. 👍

 

[Alex p.]

The typical response from someone so stuck in their own views that they fail to acknowledge that other people have opinions too. Regardless, I shan't take your comment to heart. Other members of this forum can make up their minds on whether they find me "closed minded and ignorant" but speaking personally I can assure you I'm not.

Also, you haven't even slightly seen me trying to discredit other people's opinions and experiences yet. What I am in fact doing is using normal human logic, rather than heresay and psuedoscience.

Unless I'm much mistaken, I used the words "strongly sceptical" more than once. No matter how hard you try to assume that those words mean "you're all talking out of your bottom", I suspect you'll never come to that conclusion. What those words actually mean is that I don't believe the theories, but that's not to say they aren't true.

If someone was able to show me compelling academic or scientific evidence that aliens had landed on Earth then I'd be more than happy to revise my opinion. Until then, alien landings will remain on the list next to ghosts and God as "things I don't believe in".

As for aliens themselves: Judged by the laws of probability based on the unimaginable vastness of space, I'd put money on alien life being a mathematical near-certainty.

Never intended to insult you, just to clear it out.
And I have no opinions, I did A LOT of research, which you haven't, and that is why I can not take your "logical-thinking-opinion" serious, because you have only an opinion based on your logic, not on your research. But that is what most people do, being convinced of sth. without really having inverstigated or researched the subject. Than again, I kinda do not have the motivation to argue with people about that subject, the result is ALWAYS the same.

 

[Touring Mars]

If someone was able to show me compelling academic or scientific evidence that aliens had landed on Earth then I'd be more than happy to revise my opinion. Until then, alien landings will remain on the list next to ghosts and God as "things I don't believe in".

What? Are you saying that YouTube videos are not enough for you?!

 

[homeforsummer]

Never intended to insult you, just to clear it out.
And I have no opinions, I did A LOT of research, which you haven't, and that is why I can not take your "logical-thinking-opinion" serious, because you have only an opinion based on your logic, not on your research. But that is what most people do, being convinced of sth. without really having inverstigated or researched the subject. Than again, I kinda do not have the motivation to argue with people about that subject, the result is ALWAYS the same.

People who believe that the Earth is flat have doubtless done "reasearch", probably for a longer time than you've done on your chosen subject. It doesn't make it any more realistic. Or true. Or less nonsensical.

And regardless, I've done plenty of casual research into astronomy as a whole, but I know a load of twaddle when I see it. I apologise if I'm ridiculing your "research" but I do indeed see a lot of twaddle when reading up about this. That there are so many inaccuracies in the youtube vids you posted (pyramids the most precisely engineered structures ever made by humans? Erm... nah) to try and back up your "research" speaks volumes for the general standard that seems to be accepted by people who believe the aliens have already popped in for a chat. I can find no evidence myself in casual research to suggest that anyone has ever found anything unquestionably from an alien craft.

I remain very sceptical that aliens have landed on our planet and you still have not provided me with compelling evidence to suggest they have. Perhaps this is instrumental in these sorts of discussions apparently always turning out the same way?

What? Are you saying that YouTube videos are not enough for you?!

Alas no, though perhaps a wikipedia entry, or maybe even a guy standing on a street corner in a sandwich board reading "The aliens took me and PROBED me!" might be enough to sway me...

 

[Sureboss]

Some of the stuff in that video is brilliant. I usually chuck on some Mock the Week gags to make me laugh in the mornings, but that will do.

This idea that some people seem to have that a UFO must equal an alien spacecraft is quite scary. Reminds me of that Red Dwarf episode. Season 2, can't remember the episode.

Also, am I the only one that thinks a flying saucer (which never seem to have any kind of external thrusting device) isn't really the greatest shape for an object to enter our atmosphere without ending up looking like a drunken attempt at scrambled egg?

 

[Christhedude]

Agreed.

I cannot be more certain that there is other life out there. But what I do disagree on is the fact that we have been visited by other life already. Maybe we aren't the most intelligent creatures in the universe, but reflecting on what human life has brought forward on this planet and its evolution already you cannot say other creatures are that more intelligent than us. Yes, I don't know this, but I can hardly believe other creatures can be that more intelligent than us that they have found a way to travel to our planet. We are smart enough to know you cannot travel faster than light, so it seems a wormhole would be a solution to this problem as universe isn't really something flat. But such technology is way out of our limit of intelligence, and I can hardly believe other creatures have already millions of years before us come up with such things. Not to mention the resources this would require, and if those resources are to find on any planet. If we are able to develop technology such as radiowaves, surely they were also able to do this if they have technology to travel through space? And if so, I think we'd picked up a signal already multiple times. Even if we recieve a signal ever, it will be evidence that life similar to life on Earth will be far, very far remote form our planet. I also find it very funny that all this UFO and alien stuff always seem to happen in the sky above Area 51. If an alien UFO really visits us, it sure can pick out other places to land than in Area 51?

Ok, but for example the picture that i mentioned in one of my earlier posts, the one from ancient Egypt with the helicopter and various other supposed vehicles, how and why would they just draw something that looks like an helicopter there if it wouldnt have existed yet or if they wouldnt have seen it.
OR if any scientist can come up with an explanation that the "helicopter" might be something else but we just interpret is as a HELI cause that the first thing that pops into our minds.(cause we all know that a HELI looks like this)
So if they Egyptians didnt know what a Helicopter was, then why wouldnt they draw such a thing then, or what other meanings could it have?

Regarding advanced civilization, i can't comment on. maybe we are by far the most advanced one.There may be hyper advanced civilizations far far far away from us.
I have no words anymore to describe things here but its just the universe is just too enormous that for sure our next 2 generations will not know how big it actually is. (I hope someone can prove me wrong cause i would love to know how big it is and what is going on out there)

Chris

 

[Joey D]

[archaeology geek] The helicopter glyphs are nothing more than re-carvings as seen here:

http://www.catchpenny.org/abydos.html

If the Egyptians would have had advanced machinery archaeologist would have uncovered it or at least evidence of it at some point in time. I mean they been digging the place up for well over a 100 years. [/archaeology geek]

 

[homeforsummer]

Ok, but for example the picture that i mentioned in one of my earlier posts, the one from ancient Egypt with the helicopter and various other supposed vehicles, how and why would they just draw something that looks like an helicopter there if it wouldnt have existed yet or if they wouldnt have seen it.
OR if any scientist can come up with an explanation that the "helicopter" might be something else but we just interpret is as a HELI cause that the first thing that pops into our minds.(cause we all know that a HELI looks like this)

My suspicion is that it's been misinterpreted. No doubt Egyptologists (I'm pretty sure that's the real terminology, though I can't remember the term for someone who studies hyroglyphics in particular) have already figured out what it means - it could be a combination of various glyphs - but to the uninitiated it happens to look similar to a modern-day contraption.

The same goes for the "flying saucer" images. As Sureboss already pointed out, that shape is also synonymous with a fried egg. So perhaps the ancient Egyptians loved their fried eggs?... Or perhaps it's neither UFO nor fried egg and was a symbol for something else back then...

So if they Egyptians didnt know what a Helicopter was, then why wouldnt they draw such a thing then, or what other meanings could it have?

Think of this logically - even if aliens had visited, what are the chances of them having craft that look near indistinguishable from a modern day helicopter?...

EDIT: Thanks for the link Joey, that's really interesting and pretty much clears that one up!

 

[Sureboss]

If I see a UFO shaped like a Hash Brown, or a sausage, I think something might be up!

*sees a flying bottle of HP sauce out the window.

 

[Famine]

Think of this logically - even if aliens had visited, what are the chances of them having craft that look near indistinguishable from a modern day helicopter?...

Works for Scientology.

 

[zeemie]

It is mentioned more than once in this thread that it seems certain there must be life elsewhere in the universe due to its vastness alone.

A few years ago, I read a book authored by Amir D. Aczel, entiitled Probability 1.

A probability = 1 is certainty. The author builds a compelling case that it is certain there is not simply life elsewhere but, intelligent life.

A few of the author's premises have been challenged but it is a very good read that I think you will certainly enjoy if you have not read it.

I did not see the book mentioned in any of the "Alien"-type threads so I thought I would bring it up.

 

[homeforsummer]

Thanks for bringing it to my attention 👍 I'll see if any of my local libraries have it. Given the mind-bogglingly vast scale of the universe I wouldn't doubt for a second that there is intelligent life somewhere out there. Perhaps even in our galaxy, let alone any of the billions of other galaxies with their tens of billions of stars.

Works for Scientology.

So does having placentas for tea.

 

[Sureboss]

If we can't find it here, it must be out there!

 

[zeemie]

Thanks for bringing it to my attention 👍 I'll see if any of my local libraries have it. Given the mind-bogglingly vast scale of the universe I wouldn't doubt for a second that there is intelligent life somewhere out there. Perhaps even in our galaxy, let alone any of the billions of other galaxies with their tens of billions of stars.

Your welcome.

In it, is a section on the Drake equation which basically eliminates about 99.999 % of the stars thought to be out there - too big, too small, too young, etc.. Even with that, there remain a huge number of stars and planetary systems that are likely to be similar to ours and candidates for supporting life of some form.

Off topic.........Last night, I went through your Rt 66 picture album thread - pretty awesome job you did there 👍 I have to get to the Canyon before I am no longer a life form

Edit: Obviously, I need to study up on how to quote someone!!??!!

 

[homeforsummer]

Protip: After the text you've quoted, make sure there's a [/quote] box

And glad you like my photos 👍

 

[FLASH48]

Yes i believe there is something else out there! And no i don't think they been here yet. If Sony can't keep secrets, why do you think our governments can.