Aliens

[Alex p.]

1.And you honestly believe this?

2.Those have been disproven, although some dispute that. Most UFO sightings have been disproven, and there's so many bluffs it's really hard to take any of it serously..

1. Sooooo, did I say this? I'll answer it for you:No.

2.So, you searched for the validity for basically every Ufo video on the net, respect. As you clearly state that MOST Ufo videos has been disproven...but yeah, nice achievement there on your part. *claps hands*

 

[Mattv81]

Those have been disproven, although some dispute that. Most UFO sightings have been disproven, and there's so many bluffs it's really hard to take any of it serously.

It's just like Nessie, Bigfoot, ghosts etc.

Yeah, I know, there are a lot of people who make up rubbish, and its annoying, but even if 1% turn out to be real, then thats a lot of UFOs. Look... the galaxy is very big, and very old. It's extremely unlikely that we are alone, and its very likely that most aliens would be far more advanced than we are. So personally, I don't think it's unlikely that some of those aliens would have the technology to come and visit us. This is one of those conspiracies that are very hard to prove or disprove, so I guess we all should just try to respect each others opinion. There's no point arguing about because its not going to get us anywhere. I'm not going to be able to convince you, and you wont convince me. TBH, although I find it interesting to imagine the possibilities, its not really something that I'm particularly bothered about, because if they do exist and meant us any harm then they would have done it already. There are far more important things happaning in the world at the moment (that you would probably label "conspiracy theories") and thats what I'm more concerned about.

 

[Moot]

its not really something that I'm particularly bothered about, because if they do exist and meant us any harm then they would have done it already.

That's exactly what mice say while they are having lunch in cage 7, lab H.

 

[Mattv81]

That's exactly what mice say while they are having lunch in cage 7, lab H.

Well... if they do mean us any harm then there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. Just like the mice can't stop the humans. I just think that any alien civilisation advanced enough to get here would have absolutely nothing to gain from us, other than a nice day out at the zoo. I'd rather concentrate on things that I can change. At the moment I'm concentrating on the war in Libya because its not too late to stop it.

 

[homeforsummer]

It's worth considering that unless we're actually being observed as a species, the chances are that no (or very few, at least) alien civilisation actually knows we exist yet.

Unless they're able to somehow detect our presence by our impact on the atmosphere, no civilisation within a hundred light years would know we exist, because our radio signals have only been broadcasting for just over a hundred years. Since these travel at the speed of light they haven't yet reached stars and planets more than a hundred light years away.

Obviously, a hundred light years is still a relatively wide space in which there could potentially be life, but it also limits the time in which aliens would have had a chance to get to Earth with certainty that we existed here.

As for the Roswell stuff, that's even less time - radio waves would only have been reaching 40-50 light years from us. And the "Nazi aliens" even less time, 30-odd light years.

Obviously, that all relies on them detecting radio waves rather than being somehow able to detect our presence through another means, but as far as detecting things in space goes, radio waves are a pretty good method. And thinking about it, if our atmosphere has changed chemically from human impact, it'll only have been doing so since the industrial revolution, so you're only talking another hundred or so years of detection by light signatures.

 

[Encyclopedia]

1. Sooooo, did I say this? I'll answer it for you:No.

2.So, you searched for the validity for basically every Ufo video on the net, respect. As you clearly state that MOST Ufo videos has been disproven...but yeah, nice achievement there on your part. *claps hands*

1. I was just wondering.

2. No not all of course, but I'm a skeptic by nature, and I believe most of these sightings are just evidence of people's want of there to be aliens visiting us.

The same as with ghosts, people want there to be an afterlife so bad they will interpret things into unexplainable sightings. Weird noise in old house? It must be ghosts! There can be no other explanation! Weird light phenomena in the sky? Must be aliens! I don't like that kind of jumping to conclusions.

Perhaps I should clarify, I do believe there are life outside Earth, but I find it hard to believe they've visited us. The distances are so incredibly great that it might not even be possible for a civilization much more advanced than us to travel that far.

Nothing would make me more excited than first contact, believe me.

 

[Mattv81]

It's worth considering that unless we're actually being observed as a species, the chances are that no (or very few, at least) alien civilisation actually knows we exist yet.

Unless they're able to somehow detect our presence by our impact on the atmosphere, no civilisation within a hundred light years would know we exist, because our radio signals have only been broadcasting for just over a hundred years. Since these travel at the speed of light they haven't yet reached stars and planets more than a hundred light years away.

Obviously, a hundred light years is still a relatively wide space in which there could potentially be life, but it also limits the time in which aliens would have had a chance to get to Earth with certainty that we existed here.

As for the Roswell stuff, that's even less time - radio waves would only have been reaching 40-50 light years from us. And the "Nazi aliens" even less time, 30-odd light years.

Obviously, that all relies on them detecting radio waves rather than being somehow able to detect our presence through another means, but as far as detecting things in space goes, radio waves are a pretty good method. And thinking about it, if our atmosphere has changed chemically from human impact, it'll only have been doing so since the industrial revolution, so you're only talking another hundred or so years of detection by light signatures.

I think it's quite possible that they have been watching this planet for thousands of years. Possibly even hundreds of thousands of years. Even we can detect planets that have similar atmospheres to us, and thats all they would need to find to have an interest in our planet. We've found cave paintings that show things that look a LOT like UFOs. It MAY even be possible that we were actually made by aliens. Maybe they took primate DNA and mixed it with their own to create us. But I'm just hypothesising. Maybe I've watched too much Stargate.

 

[homeforsummer]

I think it's quite possible that they have been watching this planet for thousands of years. Possibly even hundreds of thousands of years. Even we can detect planets that have similar atmospheres to us, and thats all they would need to find to have an interest in our planet.

True, but it wouldn't be evidence that we exist to them as a species, because no evidence of ourselves exists beyond a certain point in space.

We've found cave paintings that show things that look a LOT like UFOs.

People barely look like people in a lot of cave paintings and petroglyphs so I wouldn't read too much into that.

It MAY even be possible that we were actually made by aliens. Maybe they took primate DNA and mixed it with their own to create us. But I'm just hypothesising. Maybe I've watched too much Stargate.

I think you probably have. It's not beyond possibility that the original organic matter that life on Earth started from came from elsewhere in the cosmos (there are reasonable theories that our ancestral matter came from asteroids, comets or even Mars), but it's really pushing it to suggest we were created by aliens.

 

[Starfirebird]

I think it's quite possible that they have been watching this planet for thousands of years. Possibly even hundreds of thousands of years. Even we can detect planets that have similar atmospheres to us, and thats all they would need to find to have an interest in our planet. We've found cave paintings that show things that look a LOT like UFOs. It MAY even be possible that we were actually made by aliens. Maybe they took primate DNA and mixed it with their own to create us. But I'm just hypothesising. Maybe I've watched too much Stargate.

One thing you should check out,if you haven't already is Ancient Aliens on the History Channel.I've seen every episode and it really makes you think...were we visited in the past and are they still out there.It's some very interesting stuff.

It's on Netflix right now and all episodes can be streamed.

*edit* Also if you are very religious I wouldn't suggest watching it.They make claims in there that many religious people would be offended by.

 

[Mattv81]

One thing you should check out,if you haven't already is Ancient Aliens on the History Channel.I've seen every episode and it really makes you think...were we visited in the past and are they still out there.It's some very interesting stuff.

It's on Netflix right now and all episodes can be streamed.

*edit* Also if you are very religious I wouldn't suggest watching it.They make claims in there that many religious people would be offended by.

Yeah, one of my mates recently told me about Ancient Aliens. I've download all the episodes but I've only watched the first 2 so far. It's very good.

 

[theotherspongey]

Yea if the universe was this big and we were the only living beings, space would be pretty useless...

 

[Mattv81]

True, but it wouldn't be evidence that we exist to them as a species, because no evidence of ourselves exists beyond a certain point in space.

I don't get what you mean.

I think you probably have. It's not beyond possibility that the original organic matter that life on Earth started from came from elsewhere in the cosmos (there are reasonable theories that our ancestral matter came from asteroids, comets or even Mars), but it's really pushing it to suggest we were created by aliens.

As I said, it's just an idea, and it's not impossible. There was a period in history where humans seemed to make a massive jump in evolution, and scientists haven't come to any solid reasons why.

 

[Encyclopedia]

As I said, it's just an idea, and it's not impossible. There was a period in history where humans seemed to make a massive jump in evolution, and scientists haven't come to any solid reasons why.

When was that?

 

[Mattv81]

When was that?

I can't remember. I heard this a few years ago. I've been looking for the answer but I can't find it. I guess I retract that statement seeing as I can't back it up. But I assure you I heard this in a BBC nature documentary a few years back.

 

[Starfirebird]

I can't remember. I heard this a few years ago. I've been looking for the answer but I can't find it. I guess I retract that statement seeing as I can't back it up. But I assure you I heard this in a BBC nature documentary a few years back.

From what i remember it was the neanderthal years.

I don't have any proof to back it up,but i am 100% certain this is when it happened.

 

[Dotini]

From what i remember it was the neanderthal years.

I don't have any proof to back it up,but i am 100% certain this is when it happened.

I wonder if we should consider civilization, and what all that means, as part of human evolution? If we should do that, then evolution has taken a huge spurt in just the last 12,000 years, it would seem. Perhaps evolution means more than than just an anatomical sense?

 

[homeforsummer]

I don't get what you mean.

We, as a species, have never sent anything out into space beyond a certain point - be that man-made objects like Voyager 1 which has only just broken out of the Heliopause, or radio waves which travel at the speed of light, which can be no further than roughly 100 light years from our planet.

100 light years sounds like a long way but in terms of interstellar space that doesn't encompass a great deal of potential solar systems that could harbour extra terrestrial life. And since nothing beyond 100 light years would have any evidence whatsoever that we exist, it vastly reduces the chance that we've been visited or are being observed.

As I said, it's just an idea, and it's not impossible. There was a period in history where humans seemed to make a massive jump in evolution, and scientists haven't come to any solid reasons why.

I'd love to see your source for a claim like that.

From what i remember it was the neanderthal years.

I don't have any proof to back it up,but i am 100% certain this is when it happened.

Can I just add at this point, so nobody is in any doubt:

Homo sapiens did not descend from Neanderthals.

Neanderthals were a separate hominid species that Homo erectus and Homo sapiens out-competed through higher intelligence - survival of the fittest in action.

You'd have to go much, much further back in history to find the point at which the two hominids converge. So if there is any truth in saying that the human species advanced "in the Neanderthal years", it's that we advanced because our ancient competition died out as a species, not because we suddenly developed from Neanderthals into Homo sapiens.

 

[Alex p.]

Yeah, one of my mates recently told me about Ancient Aliens. I've download all the episodes but I've only watched the first 2 so far. It's very good.

It's interesting to see how these things become more and more mainstream, are we really only years away from a desclosure?

Would be cool.

I'd love to see your source for a claim like that..

I heared that also several times now, I believe they even told us that in school.

 

[Mattv81]

We, as a species, have never sent anything out into space beyond a certain point - be that man-made objects like Voyager 1 which has only just broken out of the Heliopause, or radio waves which travel at the speed of light, which can be no further than roughly 100 light years from our planet.

100 light years sounds like a long way but in terms of interstellar space that doesn't encompass a great deal of potential solar systems that could harbour extra terrestrial life. And since nothing beyond 100 light years would have any evidence whatsoever that we exist, it vastly reduces the chance that we've been visited or are being observed.

I think it's quite possible that they have been watching this planet for thousands of years. Possibly even hundreds of thousands of years. Even we can detect planets that have similar atmospheres to us, and thats all they would need to find to have an interest in our planet. We've found cave paintings that show things that look a LOT like UFOs.

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I'd love to see your source for a claim like that.

I can't remember. I heard this a few years ago. I've been looking for the answer but I can't find it. I guess I retract that statement seeing as I can't back it up. But I assure you I heard this in a BBC nature documentary a few years back.

 

[Dotini]

It's interesting to see how these things become more and more mainstream, are we really only years away from a desclosure?

Would be cool.

It's already been disclosed humans interbred with Neanderthals. http://news.discovery.com/human/neanderthal-human-interbreed-dna.html

 

[homeforsummer]

I heared that also several times now, I believe they even told us that in school.

We've made several rapid cultural and sociological advancements throughout our history (such as the Neolithic revolution around 7-10,000 years ago) but I've not heard anything about sudden physiological advancements. I'll definitely remain sceptical of such a thing unless someone can provide a source.

Even then, I'd expect any large changes in our physiology to result from changes in our environment that certain colonies adapted to far better than others - rather than an unexplained change.

 

[homeforsummer]

Mattv81 - I read your statement the first time, but I've already explained why that isn't the case, and particularly why the cave paintings statement is ridiculous.

Detecting an atmosphere similar in composition to ours is no guarantee that intelligent life is living there, even if it does increase the chances of life appearing. There is still no evidence further than 100 light years of human existence.

It's already been disclosed humans interbred with Neanderthals. http://news.discovery.com/human/neanderthal-human-interbreed-dna.html

But as a species, Neanderthals died out. There was no sudden jump from Neanderthal to Homo sapiens.

 

[Mattv81]

Mattv81 - I read your statement the first time, but I've already explained why that isn't the case, and particularly why the cave paintings statement is ridiculous.

Detecting an atmosphere similar in composition to ours is no guarantee that intelligent life is living there, even if it does increase the chances of life appearing. There is still no evidence further than 100 light years of human existence.

Yes, but it means there is a good chance of some kind of life being there, and if the aliens are capable of travelling anywhere at will, through wormholes or some other kind of FTL technology, then they would certainly go and check it out.

 

[Encyclopedia]

Yes, but it means there is a good chance of some kind of life being there, and if the aliens are capable of travelling anywhere at will, through wormholes or some other kind of FTL technology, then they would certainly go and check it out.

One could wonder though, why such an advanced species would have any interest in primitives such as us.

 

[homeforsummer]

Yes, but it means there is a good chance of some kind of life being there, and if the aliens are capable of travelling anywhere at will, through wormholes or some other kind of FTL technology, then they would certainly go and check it out.

You're automatically assuming that all alien life is intelligent. You're also still assuming that they know for sure we exist in order to check us out, in which case they'd have to be within a hundred light years or so of us, and in which case we'd already likely be detecting radio waves or some kind of transmission from them, if they were at a stage advanced enough to visit us.

 

[Alex p.]

One could wonder though, why such an advanced species would have any interest in primitives such as us.

Genetics, simple. Emotions, who says it's certain all intelligent life has and knows emotions? Many possibilities my friend...

 

[Dotini]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110331104014.htm
It's been shown that DNA can discern between two quantum states.

Let us consider that one of the essential lessons of quantum entanglement is that particles may be instantly connected no matter the time or distance that may be physically separating them.

Now imagine that aliens, or "god(s)", or the vast inorganic plasmas that constitute 99% of the universe may actually be tuned into your DNA, or even (yikes!) your personal consciousness, dreamstates, innermost thoughts and desires.

Now you will know that "Santa Claus" indeed does see you when you're sleeping, and know when you're awake.

 

[Mattv81]

One could wonder though, why such an advanced species would have any interest in primitives such as us.

Well we're interested in life thats much more primative than us. I think aliens would find us quite amusing.

You're automatically assuming that all alien life is intelligent.

How did you get that from what I said? I'm just saying that there is undoubtedly life out there thats more intelligent than us. But obviously not all alien life is.

You're also still assuming that they know for sure we exist in order to check us out, in which case they'd have to be within a hundred light years or so of us, and in which case we'd already likely be detecting radio waves or some kind of transmission from them, if they were at a stage advanced enough to visit us.

No I'm not. I'm just saying that if it is possible for them to travel MUCH faster than light, by travelling through wormholes or some other kind of technology, then they would certainly go and check out planets that could support life. We certainly would, so why wouldn't they?

 

[Alex p.]

It's already been disclosed humans interbred with Neanderthals. http://news.discovery.com/human/neanderthal-human-interbreed-dna.html

Well I meant the disclosure of Alien intelligent life.

 

[homeforsummer]

How did you get that from what I said? I'm just saying that there is undoubtedly life out there thats more intelligent than us. But obviously not all alien life is.

No I'm not. I'm just saying that if it is possible for them to travel MUCH faster than light, by travelling through wormholes of some other kind of technology, then they would certainly go and check out planets that could support life. We certainly would, so why wouldn't they?

I'm not saying they wouldn't - but I don't believe they already have, and if they've tried recently, then every man and his dog on Earth with some kind of radio device would know about it by now, and not just crazy UFO chasers in New Mexico and Arizona.

I'm also saying that they'd have to be relatively close to us anyway to be aware that the human race exists. Even presuming they could travel at, near or beyond the speed of light by whatever means, actual evidence of humankind in the form of radio waves can only have travelled a relatively short distance into space - so essentially anyone checking the Earth out would be doing so on a whim in the hope of finding life, rather than by specifically knowing there's life already here.

And if they are intelligent, then I would have thought they would already have made formal contact, unless it's the Douglas Adams scenario whereby an alien race came down to obliterate Earth, only through particularly poor planning they underestimated the relative scale and got accidentally eaten by a small dog...