Aliens

[Moot]

Probably not seen as a must, but a good probability.
I could imagine a species that perhaps once breathed air like us but evolved with technology to be self sufficient in multiple environments, basically half brain half machine, perhaps total machine as technology could make conciousness even more intriguing than our own organic one perhaps. They could live of mini nuclear fusion reactions as part of their body system.
If we get visited by aliens they may not bother us but just insist on removing all our uranium resources. Although that would bother us. There would be war.
I think it you are always on the hunt for resources, you never settle on a planet to call home, you take what you can, admitted which might take many years to extract depending on technology, then move on due to the long time it takes to get somewhere else. Nomadic aliens just getting by on the long hops from system to system. With machine format beings (they are still alive and sentient in my view, if they have conciousness matching or beyond our own) but in the hops they might choose to hibernate or run on low power, which would be like sleep as power would be equal to their brain function and conciousness.
Maybe this contact with aliens is far more likely than organic ones.

 

[FoolKiller]

But I don't get why a lot of people are wrapped around the idea that Aliens have to have oxygen and air, what if they don't have to have anything? Just a thought.

It is why the proper terminology is "Life as we know it."

The trick to finding life that doesn't look or act like anything we have encountered before is recognizing it. Until we know what else to look for we would just be randomly looking at dust and rocks and guessing whether that is a living thing or not.

That said, we do have examples on Earth that have led us to look at more than just what we used to think of. Finding entire ecosystems that derive their energy from geothermal energy and not from the sun has led us to look closer at iced over moons/planets with subsurface oceans heated by geothermal energy. We very recently discovered microscopic organisms that appears to use methane the way we use oxygen. The final verdict is out on whether that is actually what is happening, but if that does turn out to be the case I guarantee you that we will check out methane rich places much more closely.

So, as long as we know what to look for we know how to change how we search for life. But we lack the resources or even time to search every single inch of space in our solar system in hopes that some non-atmosphere needing beings live in the emptiness between worlds or on some planet that is little more than a hunk of rock.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

If we get visited by aliens they may not bother us but just insist on removing all our uranium resources. ...I think it you are always on the hunt for resources, you never settle on a planet to call home, you take what you can, ... Nomadic aliens just getting by on the long hops from system to system. ...

This made me think about the old Hawkings discussion:
Do we want the aliens to find us or should we hide?

 

[Dotini]

In my opinion, this is yet another example of how natural electromagnetic phenomena produces the sensation that we are being visited by some kind of semi-sentient lifeforms from another realm. Note that the UFOs are merely blobs of light, and not structured craft. That this phenomena is being increasingly witnessed and photographed by millions all over world - and the phenomena being revealed are always these same blobs of light - means that legend and superstition are (very) gradually being replaced by science and understanding.

http://www.examiner.com/unexplained...seoul-south-korea-hundreds-of-witnesses-video

One of the most amazing UFO sightings ever to take place happened on the evening of Thursday, August 18, 2011 in Seoul, South Korea. Seoul is the capital of South Korea and boasts an enormous population of more than 10 million people. At least several hundred, perhaps thousands, people witnessed the massive fleet of UFOs that lit up the sky during this recent event.

The UFO sighting of Thursday night was captured on video and made the mainstream news in Korea. No fewer than eight large brightly glowing orbs hung in the dark sky. These were no airplanes, helicopters, Chinese lanterns or balloons. These were truly unidentified flying objects, mysterious UFOs that defy explanation.

The video on the left side of this page shows how shocking and amazing the UFO sighting actually was. The unusual nature of the multiple bright lights over Seoul, South Korea cannot be denied. The UFOs seemed to be slowly moving in unison across the sky while stunned onlookers documented the sight on their cameraphones.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

 

[Dotini]

Back in post #665 we discussed the Norway Hessdalen lights phenomenon, and the long term science study put in place to study them. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5511263&highlight=hessdalen#post5511263

Now I can post a link to a similar study of anomalous lights (ALP) at the tribal reservation of the Yakama nation in eastern Washington State, USA.
http://www.vogelstudy.org/

The Hessdalen lights and the Yakama lights are a basic element of the UFO phenomenon relating to unusual lights which are seen in a particular geological area, and which recur year after year, decade after decade.

This study was initially undertaken at the instigation of government fire lookout watchers and forestry workers whose work was affected by the presence of the lights.

Studies such as these strongly imply that there is a physical basis to the UFO phenomenon arising from unusual electromagnetic events and dusty plasmas. The basic embryo, juvenile or "simple" UFO is going to be either ball lightning ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning ), a range of phenomena on its own, or an "earthlight" similar to those seen at Hessdalen or Toppenish.

Human thoughts and perceptions are affected by the presence of strong magnetic fields. We now have a physical basis for UFO's, but our understanding is only just beginning. Finally we will need to understand why the more complex, dramatic and provocative UFO incidents such as Iran '76 and Rendlesham Forest '80 give rise to the idea that non-human intelligences are somehow interacting with humans. Part of this is going to derive from human consciousness and its associated pathologies and mythological archetypes. But will another part be established in the realm of inorganic life, or even stranger things such as collective or symbiotic consciousness effects? Even macroscopic quantum entanglement phenomena and time dilation effects cannot be entirely ruled out at this time.

Humanity's journey of exploration in the wider universe is hopefully still aborning. Let us work to ensure our hopeful future is not scuttled by the perpetual war, poverty, savagery and sadism all too threatening of civilizations both West and East.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

 

[Kent]

This made me think about the old Hawkings discussion:
Do we want the aliens to find us or should we hide?

Truth is, he's right.
Even the chance of hostility (very likely when two species compete for limited resources) is too much to chance our planet and race.
Fact of the matter is that any species capable of inter-stellar travel as would be necessary would most certainly hold tech far greater than ours making any war very difficult for humans to survive.

Id say hide.
No need for aliens, we already have enough trouble with human-human relations.

 

[Dotini]

Id say hide.

Hide how?

Is your fear of invasion by ET's from another planet great enough for you to turn off all signals of our presence here on Earth? Maybe some (Hawking??) would prefer to live in a cave like a Neanderthal, reverting to our simple animal nature?

Respectfully,
Steve

 

[Kent]

Yeah...
I think hide is for the lack of a better term.
Hide by my idea of this means to stop actively pursuing the discovery of et.

 

[Touring Mars]

Yeah...
I think hide is for the lack of a better term.
Hide by my idea of this means to stop actively pursuing the discovery of et.

I think of it this way - if an alien race is smart enough to a) detect our activity and b) drop by, then it probably doesn't matter what we do in any case. They'd probably already know more about us before we ever got a sniff that they even exist...

Also, if ET is so smart and has survived long enough to reach a far more advanced state of intelligence than us (to the point where they have mastered interstellar or even intergalactic travel), then there is a more than fair chance that they have learned to respect intelligent life when they find it (even the pond scum they find on a planet like ours), have learned the folly of pointless wars, and will probably already have more than enough resources to survive without having to go around ransacking distant planets like our own.

I would also add that there is a good chance that we could greatly benefit from meeting such a race of aliens - as they would no doubt have a lot of useful information to share with us. It is just as likely (if not considerably more likely) that it would be our own hostile treatment of the aliens that would be the cause of any rancour. Put it this way - I wouldn't want to live next door to us.

 

[Alex p.]

I think of it this way - if an alien race is smart enough to a) detect our activity and b) drop by, then it probably doesn't matter what we do in any case. They'd probably already know more about us before we ever got a sniff that they even exist...

Also, if ET is so smart and has survived long enough to reach a far more advanced state of intelligence than us (to the point where they have mastered interstellar or even intergalactic travel), then there is a more than fair chance that they have learned to respect intelligent life when they find it (even the pond scum they find on a planet like ours), have learned the folly of pointless wars, and will probably already have more than enough resources to survive without having to go around ransacking distant planets like our own.

I would also add that there is a good chance that we could greatly benefit from meeting such a race of aliens - as they would no doubt have a lot of useful information to share with us. It is just as likely (if not considerably more likely) that it would be our own hostile treatment of the aliens that would be the cause of any rancour. Put it this way - I wouldn't want to live next door to us.

Have to agree on everything you said in this post, exactely my feelings on this subject.



On a more on topic note, here's a video, where an "Angel" or should we assume "Fallen Angel?" has been accidentally captured on video. Looks very real to me, would be totally crazy if real. Anyways, looks cool how this glowing humanoid with wings "falls" from the sky to the ground and makes an insane jump to the side, indicating superhuman capabilities. Looks a little like a scene of a hollywood movie or something, anyways, here it is, check it out:

 

[Dennisch]

No doubt that there are aliens out there. But they haven't visited Earth yet, and if they do, let's just hope that they will come in peace, like Touring Mars states.

If they are not a peaceful race, we are goners. 👍

 

[TankAss95]

Have to agree on everything you said in this post, exactely my feelings on this subject.

On a more on topic note, here's a video, where an "Angel" or should we assume "Fallen Angel?" has been accidentally captured on video. Looks very real to me, would be totally crazy if real. Anyways, looks cool how this glowing humanoid with wings "falls" from the sky to the ground and makes an insane jump to the side, indicating superhuman capabilities. Looks a little like a scene of a hollywood movie or something, anyways, here it is, check it out:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z31lCK-WklM">YouTube Link</a>

It's obviously fake and therefore does not contribute to this thread by having no value.

So do I think aliens exist? Well first of all I have little knowledge of the universe itself, or the complexity of life itself. Is the universe eternal? Does it "end"? Just what are the chances of life being created and the continued of that existence outside of what we call home?

If the universe does have infinite stars and planets then simply put life has infinite chance, therefore life does exist, no matter how slim the chances of that are.

To conclude I believe that we need to find the answers of other "ultimate questions" before find the answer to the question we are discussing right now.

 

[Alex p.]

It's obviously fake and therefore does not contribute to this thread by having no value.

Can you proofe that? NO.

Besides, look at the illumination by this being of the surroundings. The illumination adopts perfectly to the movement of this being.

 

[Dennisch]

Can you proofe that? NO.

Besides, look at the illumination by this being of the surroundings. The illumination adopts perfectly to the movement of this being.

Not to stalk you or anything, but do you have proof that it's real? NO.

If it was real we all would know about it the day it happened. The same goes for alien visitors.

Things on the internet are not always what they seem to be.

 

[TankAss95]

Can you proofe that? NO.

Besides, look at the illumination by this being of the surroundings. The illumination adopts perfectly to the movement of this being.

If you cannot prove something is incorrect, then does that mean it is correct? The answer to that would be yes, so therefore I am wrong for saying that it is not real, and therefore I apologise.

Do I still believe it is not real? Yes. What you have shared with us is a video which could be all be created by artificial means in this day and age, therefore I believe that the chances of that being fake greatly outweigh the chances of the footage being legit.

So does that mean I do not believe any footage is real? Well, no. I believe what I think could possibly happen. If I saw a magic trick being performed through a video on YouTube for example, I would not be convinced in the same way that if I had seen it with my own two eyes. That's just the way I, for one, think. I cannot quite explain quite what I am trying to right now, but I hope you get the point.

Therefore I apologise for my arrogance. I was was wring for saying that it was "obviously fake", I will be sure to think properly before I post my opinions again.

 

[Alex p.]

If you cannot prove something is incorrect, then does that mean it is correct? The answer to that would be yes, so therefore I am wrong for saying that it is not real, and therefore I apologise.

Do I still believe it is not real? Yes. What you have shared with us is a video which could be all be created by artificial means in this day and age, therefore I believe that the chances of that being fake greatly outweigh the chances of the footage being legit.

So does that mean I do not believe any footage is real? Well, no. I believe what I think could possibly happen. If I saw a magic trick being performed through a video on YouTube for example, I would not be convinced in the same way that if I had seen it with my own two eyes. That's just the way I, for one, think. I cannot quite explain quite what I am trying to right now, but I hope you get the point.

Therefore I apologise for my arrogance. I was was wring for saying that it was "obviously fake", I will be sure to think properly before I post my opinions again.

Quality post. I didn't say either I believe it is real, I said it looks real.

But as I do believe in God/Angels/Demons/Aliens I wouldn't be too surprised if it was real.

Who can say what is real and what is not anyways? Nobody can explain what reality is, so the possibilities in general are ENDLESS.

Not to stalk you or anything, but do you have proof that it's real? NO.

If it was real we all would know about it the day it happened. The same goes for alien visitors.

Things on the internet are not always what they seem to be.

You don't say...

"If it was real we all would know about it the day it happened."

One of the dumbest things I ever read by the way.

So teh president is going to hold a conference that an "Angel" has been captured on video? So much to "being far from reality."

 

[Dennisch]

Ignorant post is ignorant.

 

[Alex p.]

Ignorant post is ignorant.

Oh, applying your characteristics simply on others? Low and lame.

 

[TankAss95]

Ignorant post is ignorant.

Who are you referring to? Can you give a reason for your opinion why whatever post you are referring to is ignorant? If not, then your opinion is in fact worthless.

 

[Dennisch]

Oh, applying your characteristics simply on others? Low and lame.

Again, if you want to go personal, Pm me.
If you want to stay ignorant, and getting all worked up about other people's opinions, be my guest.

Who are you referring to? Can you give a reason for your opinion why whatever post you are referring to is ignorant? If not, then your opinion is in fact worthless.

Alex p.

 

[Alex p.]

Who are you referring to? Can you give a reason for your opinion why whatever post you are referring to is ignorant? If not, then your opinion is in fact worthless.

Responding to a troll is called feeding a troll.

So I guess I'll get the food back in the fridge...

 

[TankAss95]

Again, if you want to go personal, Pm me.
If you want to stay ignorant, and getting all worked up about other people's opinions, be my guest.

Alex p.

So now you have explained who you are referring to, and why you think that Alex P is being ignorant. You have now given your opinion value. 👍

 

[Dennisch]

Re-read the last couple of posts, it will explain it. Alex seems to dislike my opinion and get all worked up about it. But, as this is really going offtopic, we should be done now.

 

[Alex p.]

Re-read the last couple of posts, it will explain it. Alex seems to dislike my opinion and get all worked up about it. But, as this is really going offtopic, we should be done now.

That would be pointless.

The post that angered me is not in this thread, but you carried over our dispute from another thread AND from our p.m. discussion (which I ended by the way), to this thread, so who is the one, who gets all worked up?

So pointless with you...

 

[Dennisch]

Re-read the last couple of posts, it will explain it. Alex seems to dislike my opinion and get all worked up about it. But, as this is really going offtopic, we should be done now.

👍

 

[ScouserInExile]

Quality post. I didn't say either I believe it is real, I said it looks real.

But as I do believe in God/Angels/Demons/Aliens I wouldn't be too surprised if it was real.

Who can say what is real and what is not anyways? Nobody can explain what reality is, so the possibilities in general are ENDLESS.



You don't say...

"If it was real we all would know about it the day it happened."

One of the dumbest things I ever read by the way.

So teh president is going to hold a conference that an "Angel" has been captured on video? So much to "being far from reality."

You are actually joking, right? This is some form of classic internet zinger, or do you want me to start pointing out the problems with that video? Or the problems with your arguements as to why Dennisch is wrong?

 

[shmogt]

There's actually less of a chance that aliens don't exist than if they do. No one knows how big the universe is or really much about other planets and to say we are the only ones in it would be the most extreme in the rarity. They say we are alive because our planets happens to fall perfect distance to the sun. Look up at the sky and see all the stars each one has there own solar system all with a planet that is a perfect distance away. Some other sort of life has to exist out there. Not saying it's going to be green with some big ass eyes like in the movies, but theres just too much we don't know yet to outright say it's impossible.

 

[mattythedog]

If we are assuming that 'Aliens' are just other life forms in space, not E.T., then I'm 99% sure that there are 'aliens' out there. We cannot be the only life forms in the entire universe.

 

[Dennisch]

The sheer size of the universe, or even better multi-verse, and the number of stars and galaxies just gives so much opportunity for life, or even intelligent life. It's all in the numbers, and the numbers are huge! 👍

 

[ScouserInExile]

If we are assuming that 'Aliens' are just other life forms in space, not E.T., then I'm 99% sure that there are 'aliens' out there. We cannot be the only life forms in the entire universe.

That's basically the way I look at it. I'm running on the theory that both space and time are infinite and, y'know, if you roll an infinite number of dice an infinite number of times, eventually you'll roll an infinite number of 6's.