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I need video, if for no other reason than it sounds cool.
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This looks to be nothing, the set of lights that he picks up seem to be reflections. The high altitude light seems to be like a plasma ball/orb and really nothing else or it could also be a reflection but seems to flicker differently each time he/she comes back to it. I say plasma because there is a cloud layer so in other words ball lightning perhaps.
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Beautiful video of an interesting phenomenon. 👍
It is well known that thunderclouds contain electric and magnetic fields, often discharging lightning and sometimes ball lightning.
In the subject video, a glowing object similar to ball lighting is discharged, but the cloud is not a classic, towering thundercloud, but more of a lenticular type.
The object did not appear to exhibit particularly intelligent or controlled motion. Most ball lightning will meander and float towards the ground, rarely rising.
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It sure would be nice if the video lasted a little bit longer, so we can actually see more of what the sphere does. As it is now, it could be a million things.
And that is the problem with these kinds of evidence. It's poorly focused, shaky as hell, and only lasts seconds. Has no quality camera operator managed to capture more than some lights in the sky?
We live in an age with HD and five forms of cameras in every home. Practically everyone has one in their pocket at all times. Rarely do we get multiple camera shots of the same thing. It means that these anomalies are either completely unspectacular to everyone else or only visible from one specific angle.
Too often I find myself wondering what something is only to find it to be rather ordinary by the time I pull out my phone.
And that is the problem with these kinds of evidence. It's poorly focused, shaky as hell, and only lasts seconds. Has no quality camera operator managed to capture more than some lights in the sky?
We live in an age with HD and five forms of cameras in every home. Practically everyone has one in their pocket at all times. Rarely do we get multiple camera shots of the same thing. It means that these anomalies are either completely unspectacular to everyone else or only visible from one specific angle.
Too often I find myself wondering what something is only to find it to be rather ordinary by the time I pull out my phone.
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A few years ago, there was a famous group of multiple angle videos of the weird phenomenon above the Dome of the Rock, Jerusalem. It proved incredibly controversial, especially privately amongst observant Jews.
I can dig out several other videos with multiple cameras or videos. Some by professionals with professional equipment. Even so, they still are ultimately unresolvable. Remember, the phenomenon has NEVER been caught, killed or captured. It ALWAYS vanishes. It is probably nothing more than just a temporary blob of energy mixed with a bit of dust or water, a variation of lightning, ball lightning, coronal discharge, etc. Lights in the sky, and nothing more.
Another big problem is that so many people, young and old, are looking DOWN into those nifty HD devices, and seldom up, where the phenomenon usually is be found.
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Like I said, more than lights in the sky. I know there are a handful of multiple angled, even media produced videos and images of lights in the sky. Most of those just do nothing. Things moving around, doing inexplicable things, having some low-altitude flight with discernible shape are nearly impossible to find. If they are out there they are either explained or not considered worth mentioning.
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The overwhelming bulk of sighting are of lights, even close up they are just fuzzy balls of light; they are not solid.
Very occasionally a quality image emerges of something that appears it might be solid, with sharp edges.
www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_03_2_haines.pdf
http://www.ufoevidence.org/Photographs/Photo303.htm
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Looks like they're tracking laterally in a truck or something, I think this is just specular flare from the lens, it seems to draw across the picture as you'd expect.
The clouds are indeed lenticular and deliciously perfect they are too.
They're actually the only reason anybody's watching this video, there are billions of videos with clouds in that suffer specular flare and nobody gives a crap. This one looks spooky to begin with, that's all
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The object is said to be solid, but I strenuously object to that as an unsupported conclusion. I say the object could be a plasma, which is not the same thing as a solid.
HuffPo column by noted UFO author Leslie Kean.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-kean/government-agency-in-chil_b_5558713.html
Photos released by Chilean government of unidentified aerial phenomenon.
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2014/07/chilean-government-released-ufo-images.html
HuffPo column by noted UFO author Leslie Kean.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-kean/government-agency-in-chil_b_5558713.html
Photos released by Chilean government of unidentified aerial phenomenon.
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2014/07/chilean-government-released-ufo-images.html
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The conclusion of the report is... not there, they just repeat what the witnesses said. Even "electronics experts" working at a site 14,000 feet up in the Andes, aren't going to recognise all kinds of drones, marine or otherwise. If their report is accurate.
And the "office for UFOs", it's the meteo office, this must fall in their lucky remit
Astonishing that none of these experts had a functioning video device of any kind. Oh, hang on, the pics were "taken on a Samsung S860". The manufacturer specs say it takes vid. So how come only two stills exist?
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And the "office for UFOs", it's the meteo office, this must fall in their lucky remit
Yes, UFO's are likely a meterological eccentricity, a curious energy oddity which, though it may act intelligently on occasion, poses no threat to civil or military aviation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-kean/chile-declares-ufos-pose-_b_5670136.html
A recent high level meeting at the headquarters of Chile's Civil Aviation Department will likely be the envy of those Americans desiring open government participation in UFO investigations, rather than the familiar blanket dismissal.
The question of whether UAP (unidentified aerial phenomena) pose any danger to civilian and military air operations was up for discussion.
Chile's agency investigating UFOs/UAP, known as the CEFAA (Committee for the Studies of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena) is located within the Ministerial Department of Civil Aeronautics (DGAC), the equivalent of our FAA, under the jurisdiction of the Chilean air force.
Gen. Ricardo Bermúdez, director of the CEFAA, invited nineteen highly qualified experts from a range of specialties to the July 31st meeting, to explore the safety question and attempt to achieve a conclusion. The resulting dialogue lasted three hours.
The new DGAC director, air force Gen. Rolando Mercado, former director of operations and strategic planning of the Joint Chiefs, welcomed the participants and attended the early part of the discussion. "I wish to thank all the members of this committee for their serious, scientific approach in the investigation of this phenomenon," he said afterward, "which has rightly earned prestige for the CEFAA, not only in Chile, but also in foreign countries."
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The CEFAA is part of the Meteorological unit that is part of the
So we know that a guy who worked for the Joint Chiefs (and is now in charge of the CAA/FAA equivalent body in Chile) called 19 experts to a meeting that lasted 3 hours. The result was... self congratulation. They were serious, they were scientific, and they rightly earned prestige etc. etc., but what was their conclusion?
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You ought to have read the article I posted above instead of shooting from the hip. They concluded that the UAP (likely a meteorological energy) phenomenon poses no risk to commercial or military aviation. See below for interesting bits:
"Although there have been a small number of accidents attributed to UAP around the world, none have withstood an objective examination that presented unmistakable proof that UAP were the cause."
Scientists in attendance included two well known astronomers (each with an asteroid named after him), a nuclear chemist from the Nuclear Energy Commission, a doctor of aerospace medicine who is also a UN representative, a physicist, an army psychologist and an air force psychologist.
Among the DGAC specialists were the director of the Meteorological Observatory, the chief of Radar Operations Metropolitan Center, the head of Accident Investigations, DGAC chief of operations, the director of Airport Security Operations, and an aerospace engineer.
Representatives from different branches of the armed forces and the police corps were also present. All of them, including a navy commander who is in charge of flight security for navy aviation, are also pilots, or have been in the past. Along with Mercado, Bermúdez was once a combat pilot.
The panel members were familiar with the subject matter due to their various affiliations with the CEFAA as advisors, committee members, and experts called upon to assist with case investigations.
Each participant had already accepted the fact that UFOs are a real phenomenon which needs to investigated, without question. This, alone, is unusual, as we Americans see it.
"For Chileans, this is completely normal and we don't consider it news at all," says Jose Lay, international affairs director for the CEFAA.
Here are excerpts from some of the more interesting comments which helped influence the final conclusion:
- DGAC chief of operations: "If, as many witnesses have declared, the UAP demonstrates 'intelligent behavior,' and if we admit this fact, then we must look for 'the intention behind' that intelligence, whatever it may be -- a form of energy, perhaps -- it doesn't matter. Intelligence is what matters. If this is so, we must ask: has it shown hostility or carried out openly threatening maneuvers? Has it actually attacked our aircraft? To date, this doesn't seem to be the case. We cannot possibly call something a threat to something or someone if they have not shown any open intention to do harm. And even less, we do not even know their exact nature!"
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Perhaps, but that was an article about an overall UAP conference (the writers cleverly link UFO in a literal sense and then use that acronym from then on). They agreed, as is obvious and logical, that UAP can prove a distraction to pilots and that good education on the subject can reduce the effect of "surprising" distractions. They don't mention the incident that you first reported, what's the link?
This meeting was organised by the head of the department (not much of a title when there are only three people in it, which there are) that the photographs (taken by electronics experts who didn't think there was any engineering value/believability in what they saw) were sent to. Under that umbrella the incident you mention is riskless and unremarkable, hardly the expert-accredited event that was implied.
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The mine UAP is interesting, and needs an explanation. The one of the orb emerging from the lenticular cloud from an earlier post is questionable.
The Chilean people and government accept the reality of the UAP/UFO phenomenon, as does France and a few others.
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They do, but that's presented in a leading way. They literally accept that there are phenomena (aerial in nature) that are Unexplained or Unidentified, depending on your choice of acronym. That's logically and literally true and I daresay always has been in one form and another.
The implication is that "only the American government say they don't believe in space alien ships!" which isn't quite the same thing.
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Unfortunately, the US media, UFO media and even the US grass roots UFO organizations have always taken the view that UFOs are extraterrestrial. Long ago I concluded that it was wrong, even primitive or infantile, to think of UFOs as nuts-and-bolts flying saucers from another planet. They are much more real - and interesting - than that.
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Ah, but mine is youtube which makes it more believable.
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This Houston UFO is none too credible due to the possibility of hoax, lack of in-depth reporting and investigation.
However, there have been several encounters between "donut" UFOs as seen from the ISS. Here's just one:
It serves to help validate the existence and endless variety of the natural phenomenon, and does nothing to validate the notion of ET.
However, there have been several encounters between "donut" UFOs as seen from the ISS. Here's just one:
It serves to help validate the existence and endless variety of the natural phenomenon, and does nothing to validate the notion of ET.
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It doesn't not validate it either... I mean I can understand not rushing to judge it as such, but to completely dismiss it or have angst toward the idea for what else?
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Sorry, LMS, I'm having a hard time understanding your post. May I respectfully ask you to rephrase it so my tired old head can grok it better?
Thanks,
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