Aliens

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Nono, thats clearly a Rorschach test in space.


I mean, it makes sense, right?

How dare you confuse such a thing with the plasma beings of the ninth dimension, such confusion would cause great upset in the secret government pact between aliens and humans.

 

[Dotini]

The following video is one of the best UFO video I've seen recently. About 12 minutes.
It has some of the best UFO photographs on record.
Science and scientists play a strong role in this video.
It mentions official secrecy and upcoming disclosure.
The video encourages the conclusion that UFOs are here and are controlled by extraterrestrial beings.
(For the record, I take a less radical view that the objects are natural, native to Earth, and not under biological ET control.)

 

[Dotini]

Streetcap1 says this, "This appeared on camera at the ISS and stayed for 7 minutes. I thought it's only lens flare, forget it, but certain things were happening as it progressed. Lights appearing later on and as you can see flashes at the beginning of the piece near the second item as it appeared.
As the video progresses the items appear to turn slightly and light up while keeping the same orbital speed as the space station."

 

[Michael88]

Thats an amazing video but is there any way to proof this footage is original and hasn't been altered?

 

[Dotini]

Thats an amazing video but is there any way to proof this footage is original and hasn't been altered?

Which one, #2013?

Firstly, I'm not sure that anything posted on YouTube is entirely trustworthy.

But FWIW in the dubious genre of UFO and anomalous space incidents, I'd have to say Streetcap1 ranks far higher than most, in terms of credibility or reliability of sources. But no one is perfect or above skepticism.

Generally these are live or delayed broadcasts monitored by the public, many of poor or marginal video quality. Lots of these videos are hoaxes, but probably not all. So its a matter of discernment to judge just what exactly is the event being monitored. The first option is always that they are prosaic events, such as weather, lightning , space junk, light flares, internal cabin interior reflections and hoaxes perpetrated at one stage of the process or another. Another crazy possibility is that NASA sets out models or drones of UFOs and videos them in order prepare the public for some shock disclosure. An even crazier possibility is that the items themselves are hoaxes perpetrated by an "other" agency not located within the items. Kind of like a robot or hologram.

 

[Dotini]

dp

 

[Michael88]

Hm oh well. I'm extremely skeptical when it comes to those kinds of videos, I'm not keeping up with the UFO channels so I have no idea who is more credible and who isn't - and how to measure credibility of said channels in the first place- but its so easy to fake those videos I have a hard time taking any of them even halfway seriously.

I'm very certain that, for the lack of a better way to say it, ''something is happening'', I've seen very strange things with my own eyes which I interpret as signs that we might not be as alone as we think - yet videos are so vague and easy to fake that even if I stumbled upon mind blowing totally legit footage I'd dismiss it as fake.

Thats also why I think that even total disclosure and releasing all UFO files to the public would have little impact, if those files hinted to the fact that aliens do not exist people would think its simply a giant cover up. If those files said that aliens do exist and we have contact with extra terrestrials people would say its a hoax.

Something grand would need to happen to put this skepticism to rest once and for all, videos and files will never proof anything for most people.

 

[Dotini]

@TenEightyOne
Streetcap needs your help in figuring out the shadows!

 

[TenEightyOne]

@TenEightyOne
Streetcap needs your help in figuring out the shadows!

I need to take a better look... but on first inspection there is no shadow (the light hitting the leftermost structure doesn't vary, nor does the light hitting the rightermost), what we see is glare on the (very thick) observation glass. There are numerous bits and pieces sticking out that reflect light onto the glass, it looks like quite an acute angle of reflection... we'd need to know which parts of the ISS were being moved, particularly if any of the 8 huge solar arrays were being repositioned.

Not aliens this time

 

[Dotini]

I need to take a better look... but on first inspection there is no shadow (the light hitting the leftermost structure doesn't vary, nor does the light hitting the rightermost), what we see is glare on the (very thick) observation glass. There are numerous bits and pieces sticking out that reflect light onto the glass, it looks like quite an acute angle of reflection... we'd need to know which parts of the ISS were being moved, particularly if any of the 8 huge solar arrays were being repositioned.

Not aliens this time

Once you've got it figured out, would you be able to leave a comment to his YouTube video? It sounds like he may be from your neck of the wood - maybe Scotland? He seems to be one of the few alien/UFO YouTubers who tries to do an honest job. But like us all, he occasionally needs help.

 

[Lizard]

I am pretty sure aliens exist somewhere. Whether they are as intelligent, more intelligent, less? I don't know. What they look like I also have no idea, we usually put human qualities on the aliens we create in games and films (look at mass effect. 3 quarters of them stand on 2 legs and have hands and arms etc) and I am not really sure this is going to be true of the aliens, they will likely have a very different society for those simple biological differences.

Even if they do look like us. I doubt they have super powers like we often give them in films.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Once you've got it figured out, would you be able to leave a comment to his YouTube video?

No

Scrolling through the comments it looks like others have reached similar conclusions. However, others take this as evidence of the secret blah blah conspiracy blah blah facepalm. Not really worth trying to spread any reasonable thought in there.

 

[Sprite]

@TenEightyOne
Streetcap needs your help in figuring out the shadows!

"In Space No One Can See Your Shadows"

My old man loves these videos on YouTube and watches them every day. However it's beginning to look like he has the onset of dementia and he is latching on to Aliens as the truth of everything. It's actually really scary as he gets very angry and upset when you talk to him about them.

 

[Dotini]

"In Space No One Can See Your Shadows"

My old man loves these videos on YouTube and watches them every day. However it's beginning to look like he has the onset of dementia and he is latching on to Aliens as the truth of everything. It's actually really scary as he gets very angry and upset when you talk to him about them.

Dementia is a sad state of affairs for the elderly. My mom, 91, is suffering badly at this time.
If you love your old man, why don't you get him the novel, Morningstar Pass: The Collapse of the UFO Coverup, by "Victor Norgarde". It's a pulse-thumping thriller of 711 pages actually written by Dr John Brandenburg, a physicist and member of the Clementine moon mission.

 

[Dotini]

Here's something possibly more rare than a UFO video - a video of a top-secret experimental US military jet plane? Year old video is currently under investigation.

 

[Michael88]

Here's something possibly more rare than a UFO video - a video of a top-secret experimental US military jet plane? Year old video is currently under investigation.

Kinda looks like an SR72 Scramjet Prototype. Those reach up to 6 times the speed of sound, or 2+ kilometers per second.

 

[Dotini]

Kinda looks like an SR72 Scramjet Prototype. Those reach up to 6 times the speed of sound, or 2+ kilometers per second.

That could be it, operating in turbine mode only. And presumably the object in the video wasn't supersonic, as no sonic boom was heard.

 

[BobK]

The video is conveniently fuzzy enough to make identification difficult, but I'd agree with @Michael88 that it's probably an SR-72. Can't make an accurate estimation of speed, but it's clearly subsonic. Also as @Dotini points out, there's no sonic boom.

I got a chuckle out of the statement that it's being "investigated" by the world's largest organization of tinfoil-hatters UFOlogists.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So lights seen in Arizona and California recorded, and as I believe @TenEightyOne usually makes note of the quality, these have a quite good quality to them. A man in Parker Arizona traveling toward Quartzsite AZ saw these, I heard about it on the local news. What's interesting in a group in El Centro California also saw similar lights, I've been to both places (El Centro I have family), so it's strange to see this type of thing. However, I will note that El Centro and Yuma both have Marine/Naval air stations, that operate in said area, the YPG (yuma proving ground U.S. Army) base is stationed between Yuma and Quarzsite as well.

I personally have seen similar lights to what the viewers have when I lived in Yuma, they appeared in a triangular pattern as such before coming together and flashing out into the dark of night. I have also seen amber military flares though never out toward the region of Quartzsite, that's not to say they don't happen out toward Blythe/Quartzsite area, just never personally heard or seen this.

Most flare drops are usually done in the Goldwater test range by the Marine base in Yuma. Also once again I dislike secureteam, but they usually have this stuff when it is difficult to find later from local media who originally broadcast the subject.

The video is conveniently fuzzy enough to make identification difficult, but I'd agree with @Michael88 that it's probably an SR-72. Can't make an accurate estimation of speed, but it's clearly subsonic. Also as @Dotini points out, there's no sonic boom.

I got a chuckle out of the statement that it's being "investigated" by the world's largest organization of tinfoil-hatters UFOlogists.

Bit rude considering a lot of them come from expansive backgrounds some of which are aviation. It's Phil age 35 and balding living in his parent's basement and using red yarn to string the pieces of a great conspiracy together. It's engineers, pilots, technicians and other diverse backgrounds.

 

[Dotini]

So lights seen in Arizona and California recorded, and as I believe @TenEightyOne usually makes note of the quality, these have a quite good quality to them. A man in Parker Arizona traveling toward Quartzsite AZ saw these, I heard about it on the local news. What's interesting in a group in El Centro California also saw similar lights, I've been to both places (El Centro I have family), so it's strange to see this type of thing. However, I will note that El Centro and Yuma both have Marine/Naval air stations, that operate in said area, the YPG (yuma proving ground U.S. Army) base is stationed between Yuma and Quarzsite as well.

I personally have seen similar lights to what the viewers have when I lived in Yuma, they appeared in a triangular pattern as such before coming together and flashing out into the dark of night. I have also seen amber military flares though never out toward the region of Quartzsite, that's not to say they don't happen out toward Blythe/Quartzsite area, just never personally heard or seen this.

Most flare drops are usually done in the Goldwater test range by the Marine base in Yuma. Also once again I dislike secureteam, but they usually have this stuff when it is difficult to find later from local media who originally broadcast the subject.

I've seen lights extremely similar to these back in the mid sixties. I've studied many reports, and also the long term scientific study of similar lights at Hessdalen, Norway. IMO what we have is not alien spaceships but a natural electromagnetic phenomenon which exhibits highly unusual and very poorly understood properties. The most astounding and perplexing thing is that at times, some witnesses get the strong impression that the lights are somehow reacting to them.

It's worth noting that this current incident was preceded by a green fireball, bolide or meteor. Back in the late 1940's there were a series of green fireball incidents over sensitive military installations in a nearby area as this incident which went on for so long that trained military ground crews with theodolites were stationed to track them as they arrived. An astronomer named Lincoln La Paz was involved and wrote about it. The green fireballs in these incidents would often change direction by 90º as they approached the ground vertically, and then swoop low over the mountains.

Edit:
Regarding MUFON; in my view they, like most UFO investigating organizations, seem to take the premature conclusion that the origin of the phenomena is extraterrestrial.

 

[TenEightyOne]

So lights seen in Arizona and California recorded, and as I believe @TenEightyOne usually makes note of the quality, these have a quite good quality to them. A man in Parker Arizona traveling toward Quartzsite AZ saw these, I heard about it on the local news. What's interesting in a group in El Centro California also saw similar lights, I've been to both places (El Centro I have family), so it's strange to see this type of thing. However, I will note that El Centro and Yuma both have Marine/Naval air stations, that operate in said area, the YPG (yuma proving ground U.S. Army) base is stationed between Yuma and Quarzsite as well.

They look incandescent to me, flares or chinese lanterns.

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I personally have seen similar lights to what the viewers have when I lived in Yuma, they appeared in a triangular pattern as such before coming together and flashing out into the dark of night. I have also seen amber military flares though never out toward the region of Quartzsite, that's not to say they don't happen out toward Blythe/Quartzsite area, just never personally heard or seen this.

I covered the "triangle of lights" phenomenon elsewhere in this thread - often the source is a single light seen through atmospheric conditions. It can even lead to three suns or three moons being seen. That's not to say that that's definitely what you saw (or how you saw it) but it's more likely to happen if you're looking over land that's been hot and is cooling far more slowly than the atmospheric layers above it.

EDIT: It wasn't in this thread, it was in "Unexplained Experiences", here's the link.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

They look incandescent to me, flares or chinese lanterns.

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Based on? Because if you're talking about the stills from the desert shots on the Arizona side, it's due to trying to take pictures at low light/dusk/night time, with a low (i think it was) shutter speed, and thus giving this ghost or trail like effect. There is not actual trail there it is a product of the setting and how the photo was taken.

I covered the "triangle of lights" phenomenon elsewhere in this thread - often the source is a single light seen through atmospheric conditions. It can even lead to three suns or three moons being seen. That's not to say that that's definitely what you saw (or how you saw it) but it's more likely to happen if you're looking over land that's been hot and is cooling far more slowly than the atmospheric layers above it.

Triangle lights? They weren't always triangle for one, and two seem to shift into that and then fade out individually, which makes the idea that it's a single source hard if not impossible to see.

As for what I saw, it was pretty clear and almost on par with this video which is why I bring up flares and having seen how the operate up close, various times. And these being different in that you can see a trail and vertical movement, or a downward slope as if dropped from a moving plane. Also when I saw what I did (I've talked about it on here before) it was orange, they individually flashed out and then came back on and then all came together and flashed out as one light source.

That night there were slight clouds, which would have made a better argument due to cloud reflecting light at times and giving a multiple or double effect. When it is just one. The moon was behind me when this took place as I remember it.

Also I live in an area that sees flares dropped quite often, as I said I know what flares look like how they fall and can quickly assure myself when I see them at night.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Based on? Because if you're talking about the stills from the desert shots on the Arizona side, it's due to trying to take pictures at low light/dusk/night time, with a low (i think it was) shutter speed, and thus giving this ghost or trail like effect. There is not actual trail there it is a product of the setting and how the photo was taken.

Yup, I was talking about the pictures/vid in the tube, they look like something burning to me... therefore I guess flares or chinese lanterns.

Triangle lights? They weren't always triangle for one, and two seem to shift into that and then fade out individually, which makes the idea that it's a single source hard if not impossible to see.

Having not seen what you've seen I can't say that triple refraction is the cause of everything you saw - although lights in the triangle fading in/out in certain cases would be indicative of that phenomenon being at work. Clouds aren't required for that (except as another manifestation of thermocline).

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yup, I was talking about the pictures/vid in the tube, they look like something burning to me... therefore I guess flares or chinese lanterns.

Yeah as I explained it's a byproduct of how the camera was set up to take the pictures for the time of day it was, which was dusk, night time. Which is also why I brought you up, because you (rightly so) have been critical of lack of clear photos.

Having not seen what you've seen I can't say that triple refraction is the cause of everything you saw - although lights in the triangle fading in/out in certain cases would be indicative of that phenomenon being at work. Clouds aren't required for that (except as another manifestation of thermocline).

Well I never said mine were triangular I believe, I just said I saw the same type of lights and @Dotini gave a more sound scientific attempt at to what they may be. However, I would caution that I don't necessarily think nor would jump to the idea they're intelligent. It does give an eerie feeling when seeing them and not knowing or thinking they're reacting to you, but that is simply nerves.

They were orange/amber like orbs that were in a horizontal array after changing from a rhombus like shape. Though I know clouds aren't required they are a potential source, and considering areas of the desert kick up lots of dust that mix with clouds it's even more possible.

 

[BobK]

Bit rude considering a lot of them come from expansive backgrounds some of which are aviation. It's Phil age 35 and balding living in his parent's basement and using red yarn to string the pieces of a great conspiracy together. It's engineers, pilots, technicians and other diverse backgrounds.

I've worked with a pretty fair number of engineers and technicians, and they have their fair share of nutters just like any other group. I wouldn't expect pilots to be any different in this respect.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I've worked with a pretty fair number of engineers and technicians, and they have their fair share of nutters just like any other group. I wouldn't expect pilots to be any different in this respect.

Yes but at least their investigators have a technical background many times. Now if they are bias cause they "want to believe" is a different discussion. Just seems your comment doesn't have much belief they are capable

 

[Dotini]

A UFO is seen with ISS.

 

[TenEightyOne]

A UFO is seen with ISS.

Not even an O, looks like lens flare to me. At least it was worth reading Erik's comment.

 

[Dotini]

Not even an O, looks like lens flare to me. At least it was worth reading Erik's comment.

Would a lens flare normally travel at the same orbital speed as the ISS? Many lens flares seem to be hexagonal. This one seems to have gaseous, dumbbell shape. Whether blob of gas or lens flare, it's clearly not an alien spaceship.


Scheme of lens flare

Light coming from a narrow angle may be "trapped" and reflected between the surfaces of the lens elements.
Lens flare refers to a phenomenon wherein light is scattered or flared in a lens system, often in response to a bright light, producing an undesirable effect on the image. This happens through unintentional image formation mechanisms, such as internal reflection and scattering from material imperfections in the lens. Lenses with large numbers of elements such as zooms tend to exhibit greater lens flare, as they contain multiple surfaces at which unwanted internal scattering occurs. These mechanisms differ from the intended image formation mechanism, which depends on rays from the refraction of the image itself.

Flare manifests itself in two ways: as visible artifacts, and as a haze across the image. The haze makes the image look "washed out" by reducing contrast and color saturation (adding light to dark image regions, and adding white to saturated regions, reducing their saturation). Visible artifacts, usually in the shape of the lens iris, are formed when light follows a pathway through the lens that contains one or more reflections from the lens surfaces.


Severe flare in a CCTV camera lens.
Flare is particularly caused by very bright light sources. Most commonly, this occurs when shooting into the sun (when the sun is in frame or the lens is pointed in the direction of the sun), and is reduced by using a lens hood or other shade. For good-quality optical systems, and for most images (which do not have a bright light shining into the lens),

 

[BobK]

Would a lens flare normally travel at the same orbital speed as the ISS?

Of course it would, if the camera were aboard it.

Many lens flares seem to be hexagonal.

...and many, of course, are not. Some even have a shape much like that seen in the video.