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America - The Official Thread
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Joey D
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Fox News is the only thing on that list that would be considered actual news. I mean take away all the pundit BS and Fox News isn't horrible. I mean I'm still not going to watch it, but it's at least reliable to some degree. But Prager U and the Daily Wire? They don't even pretend to be news or factual. It's just garbage information that conservatives fawn over and that you're crazy Uncle Mark posts on Facebook.
If you want real news, you go to AP News and Reuters. If you want something less dry, USA Today is pretty good along with The Wall Street Journal, BBC World Services, and even PBS.
If you want real news, you go to AP News and Reuters. If you want something less dry, USA Today is pretty good along with The Wall Street Journal, BBC World Services, and even PBS.
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In fact, punching the "woke" strawman is how they keep their audience.
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In what way don't these platforms use fear and scare tactics? Ridiculous.
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Wisconsin: Five dead after car ploughs into Waukesha Christmas parade
A speeding SUV ploughed into a Christmas celebration in Waukesha, hitting dozens including children.
www.bbc.co.uk
Not good at all.
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Sure. I'll tell you some of my crazy extremist beliefs!
1. Until someone can show me a CURRENT example of a written law, statute, regulation or policy that SPECIFICALLY targets people based on their race (Besides Affirmative Action), I refuse to believe that our society is driven by this pervasive Systemic Racism™ that's SO good at hiding that it can't be found - like Bigfoot!
2. There's no such thing as Hate Speech™ - that's just code for speech that you hate. Free speech should be upheld and protected at all costs, because if you succeed in controlling people's speech, you can control the narrative.
3. Pineapple does not belong on pizza
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For 2, you recognize then that Free Speech does NOT apply to private corporations and if they don't like what you say, they can choose to take action against you, correct? Free Speech does NOT mean freedom from consequences.
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...by the government.
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If it weren't for how heavily those platforms were demonized by other networks, I would never have known about them. Check out Prager U. Have you actually watched anything put out by them? Or do you just KNOW they're terrible from what you've heard others say about them? Because it's pretty apparent that fear is not part of their message. Concern, perhaps, but not fear.
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1. Why does it need to be current? Do you not understand that past examples can (and do) still impact society today? The changes that 1933's HOLC put in place being just one example.
2. Oddly you seem fine with legal limits for slander existing in terms of speech, but not one's that could cause physical harm to result?
You missed a bit.
I have checked out Prager U, it's a cesspit of unscientific nonsense and conspiracy theory, with a good helping of 'America is a Christian nation' quackery thrown in, and a light dusting of 'we must keep our statues of racists cos of reasons'.
What it's not is a good source of facts, and it most certainly does like its fear-mongering (its videos and views on immigration being good examples of this).
And you can discuss it in it's own thread.....
PragerU
Since PragerU is now suing Youtube and Google for alleged discrimination, I figured it's about time to make a thread about PragerU. If you don't already know what PragerU (Prager University) is, it's a youtube channel/website that is one of the prominent and up-and-coming conservative media...
www.gtplanet.net
...including why its videos are mostly wingnuttery. My pick has to be why without god everyone's a murderer in the making (which is so utterly absurd and fear-mongering as to be migraine-inducing).
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That's not even remotely correct and isn't what the Constitution guarantees. The government can't silence you and that's it, that's all freedom of speech means in America. We don't have any other kind of freedom of speech here other than that, full stop. If a private company like Facebook or Twitter wants to censor you, they aren't violating your rights and you have every right to build a competing platform.
Yes, I have watched more than one Prager U video. While some of the messages are on the right track and could make a compelling argument, it tends to mix in right-wing propaganda making much of what it says a bit suspect. The biggest lie it pushes, in my opinion, is the denial of climate change. You have to be completely blind, ignorant, or stupid to think climate change isn't occurring. The role humans play in it has merits of being discussed, but to outright deny it is idiotic.
They also state the gender pay gap doesn't exist, which just isn't true since there are all sorts of data that shows it is. Like climate change, the reason behind why it exists can be discussed, but denying it exists is ridiculous.
Seriously, Prager U is just porn for red-pilled idiots.
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"Conservatives" are desperate to hold onto traditional grade school American history while ignoring the reality that that history is full of half truths, distortions & outright inventions. That's what Critical Race Theory attempts to address. The consequences of the real history of the United States - the genocide of the indigenous people, systemic racism, slavery, Jim Crow etc. is baked into present day American society. You'd have to be deeply stupid not to realize that.
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The fact that you threw in #3 leads me to think that you don't truly believe the other two.
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How current is current for your requirements? The last 20 years? The last 10? This year?
I mean, this is all based on the faulty assumption that our society is completely defined by it's laws, statutes, regulations and policy, but let's play along for a bit and see how far we get.
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Here is everything in a Nutshell going on in the World
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Duo? Yeah ok. Have you not figured it out yet? Every politician,regardless of party is a piece garbage.They have been paid their salary and do what? Make America Better? Make Canada better? Make the UK better? Keep paying your taxes. Drink the kool-aid and like it.Get a laugh dude. Did you not see the Fox stations saying the same thing? A baby with eye holes cut out in a mask? What the hell are you watching?
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Not random YouTube videos that make your posts look like you routinely verge on the line of diving down conspiracy rabbit holes ("everyone's bad", Blackrock, weird tangents, etc. etc.)....
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Of COURSE kids need to learn history and of COURSE they should be taught about slavery. WE ALL know slavery is wrong. We ALL know that a people suffered for almost 200 years. And we ALL know slavery was ABOLISHED. Now that we ALL agree that slavery was ABOLISHED and that people can NO LONGER be bought, sold, or owned as property
You have some good points, and I agree with some of what you say 👍
By current, I mean TODAY. NOT laws that were enacted in the 1800s or 1900s - we ALL know those were pro-white laws back then. But we aren't living back then. It's ILLEGAL to discriminate against someone Based on their age, genital configuration (because Gender™ is meaningless now 🤣), religion, or race.
My argument is that not ONLY has society leveled the playing field, but we've even Overcompensated with Affirmative Action™ (which is the ONLY solid example of Systemic Racism™ that I can find which CLEARLY outlines giving preferential treatment to people based on their race.
So if you're going to argue for the existence of Systemic Racism™, and believe society is rigged in favor of white people, then show me what you got! 🤗
I'll bet you're gonna blow my mind with TONS of examples (besides Affirmative Action™), based on hard proof in the form of any and all current policies, laws and regulations that are obviously designed to keep minorities down today! 🤗🤩
Interesting. I can't open the link you provided. Oh well. False alarm. 🤣
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Only because PragerU removed it and the associated video. You see the link works just fine, the contnet was just taken down.
However the Internet doesn't forget, so no it's not a false alarm. It's a very real piece of white nationalist ********.
PragerU on Twitter
“Statues of Robert E. Lee are being removed across America — this time, at the U.S. Capitol. Here's why Lee's statue should remain: https://t.co/cgvPeokZlB”
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And someone has re-uploaded it so PragerU can't hide it and you can watch it without feeding there watch count.
A nice summary from the comments of the video as to why PragerU's video is nonsense.
- His dad might have known George Washington
- He lived near a spot they built a cemetery
- He killed a bunch of slaves when they tried to revolt
- He said slavery was bad because it somehow gave black people an advantage according to him
- He could have fought for the union but actively chose to fight for the Confederacy
- After slaves were free he believed they shouldn't be allowed to vote
- He died from a stroke
- He was buried under a chapel near his horse
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Ah, so if it were to be proven that there were no racist laws today, that would be proof that it is impossible for systemic racism to exist. Is that your argument? So if there were a racist law that was repealed last week, that wouldn't be evidence for the existence of systemic racism because it doesn't exist right now?
I'm sorry mate, that's just not a reasonable view. I asked in the hope that you'd have a reasonable recognition that the society of today is built upon at a bare minimum the recent past. How far back it's worth going is a fair topic for debate, whether it's a year or ten or twenty. But that it's longer than 24 hours is not. Society doesn't reform from scratch at dawn every day.
Also, I think your shift key is broken. You've got capital letters all over the place.
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I don't think it's his computer equipment that's broken.
25 simple charts to show friends and family who aren't convinced racism is still a problem in America
Research has extensively documented the differences between the Black and white experience in the US, from wealth and education to incarceration.
www.businessinsider.com
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Fun fact about Arlington National Cemetery. It was placed on Robert E. Lee's old house so that the dead would pile up, literally, at his doorstep. It was meant as a way of forever tying his name to the impacts of the civil war.
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Slavery is real and it did happen. Racial discrimination was real, and it WAS widespread in use. Nobody denies these facts.
But as a society, America HAS made great progress - enough so that Systemic Racism™ is not a real thing. This is evidenced in the fact that nobody (yourself included) can point out irrefutable proof of it's existence. It's basically Bigfoot at this point, being easier to disprove than it is to PROVE. So continue to believe in Bigfoot while I add randOm caPs to mY writiNG. 😉
