America - The Official Thread

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TexRex
Aaaaand the Fake Bake bitch has been indicted by the Manhattan grand jury.
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They have to be very careful with this. Even though he probably was going to get snared by SOMETHING, if this doesn't stick, the DA has egg on his face.
 
TexRex
Aaaaand the Fake Bake bitch has been indicted by the Manhattan grand jury.
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It is a landmark stain on the office of the Presidency. This has never happened before. I think for this particular ex-president, it might happen again though.
 
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Hmmm... what could have happened in 2008 to begin this fundamental transformation? Oh wait, a black man was elected president. I'm surprised that scum-sucker Beck is still around but I bet his accountant is pleased he's getting more airtime on the crazy channels.
 
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Trump is a martyr for his base no matter what happens. I only hope that whatever evidence the prosecution has, it better be iron-clad and water-tight otherwise the persecution complex will explode and his martyrdom become turbo nuclear.
 
Danoff
It is a landmark stain on the office of the Presidency.
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So was Trump entering the White House in the first place.
TB
The last few years have shown that for some, even that won't matter.
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Trump has risen to such prominence on the back of an ultra-libertarian doctrine of being a law unto oneself. For Trump, this means getting away with everything he has ever done wrong and handing him the ability to continue doing so indefinitely.

In order to achieve this, Trump has systematically attempted to subvert almost every level of governance in the US, from denying the legitimacy of democratic elections, to inciting the violent overthrow of Congress itself. These are exceptionally dangerous times for America, but Trump's message of 'Let's get rid of people telling us what we can do!' will always be popular with millions of people - even if they fundamentally don't get that the likely outcome of Trump (or someone just like him) will be very far from what they actually would like.
 
Danoff
but really Trump is not in favor of all people being the law unto themselves. It's authoritarian, which is decidedly non-libertarian.
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Exactly, but my point is that a huge number of Trump supporters don't seem to appreciate/know/care what Trump's true position/motives/aims are - he's appealing to both conservative and libertarian sensibilities while ironically being the total opposite of these things himself. This somehow also appeals to a large number of people who see Trump as the ultimate anti-establishment candidate, with little to zero regard for what Trump seeks to replace the existing establishment with.
 
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Touring Mars
These are exceptionally dangerous times for America, but Trump's message of 'Let's get rid of people telling us what we can do!' will always be popular with millions of people - even if they fundamentally don't get that the likely outcome of Trump (or someone just like him) will be very far from what they actually would like.
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For the selfish, authoritarianism is all well and good up until the point that the authorities, the ones you've helped give this immense degree of control to, decide to control some aspect of your life that becomes a major inconvenience to you. At which point you become the oppressed. It's the old Leopards Eating People's Faces party riddle. Trump's been using the law all his life to get his way with, well, everything, now it's trying to bite him back and his cult suddenly don't like it.
 
Touring Mars
Exactly, but my point is that a huge number of Trump supporters don't seem to appreciate/know/care what Trump's true position/motives/aims are - he's appealing to both conservative and libertarian sensibilities while ironically being the total opposite of these things himself.
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Yup. But if you'll allow me to expand on that thought it actually is simpler than that.

Trump is lying about being conservative or freedom-loving. But Trump supporters are making the same lie. It's an authoritarian pretending to be something else, and authoritarian supporters who also want to pretend the same thing.

Over the last few years, we've seen the pretense get thinner and thinner. I think it's realistic to assume that we will have an out-and-out authoritarian party soon. We're certainly headed that way.
 
Touring Mars
Exactly, but my point is that a huge number of Trump supporters don't seem to appreciate/know/care what Trump's true position/motives/aims are - he's appealing to both conservative and libertarian sensibilities while ironically being the total opposite of these things himself. This somehow also appeals to a large number of people who see Trump as the ultimate anti-establishment candidate, with little to zero regard for what Trump seeks to replace the existing establishment with.
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Trump is a wannabe Putin/Xi. He says he's different but in the end, he wants the same power they have.
 
Blitz24
Trump is a wannabe Putin/Xi. He says he's different but in the end, he wants the same power they have.
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The difference being that Putin and Xi want society to be how they envision it. Trump just wants to be able to do what he wants and get away with it.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
I think you may be overestimating Putin's idealism.
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I nearly responded with something similar. I wrestled with it a bit and ultimately concluded that I do see a difference between Putin's (insane) vision of Russia and Trump's vision of America. In Trump's version, the only thing needed to make America the country he envisions is for him to be in the whitehouse permanently with fewer restrictions than last time.
 
There was a good James OB section on Boris Johnson and Partygate, and how he followed the narcissist's prayer in almost textbook fashion.

I think the same applies for Trump, and some of the MAGAs

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The Narcissist's Prayer

Renowned narcissism expert Dr Supriya McKenna helps you identify, cope with and manage the narcissists in your life, including during separation and divorce.
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That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
 
lol. lmao.

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Douglass Mackey Convicted for Vote-by-Tweet Meme

Here's the E.D.N.Y. U.S. Attorney's Office press release: Douglass Mackey, also known as "Ricky Vaughn," was convicted today by a...
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Social Media Influencer Douglass Mackey Convicted of Election Interference in 2016 Presidential Race

“Mackey has been found guilty by a jury of his peers of attempting to deprive individuals from exercising their sacred right to vote for the candidate of their choice in the 2016 Presidential Election,” stated United States Attorney Peace. “Today’s verdict proves that the defendant’s fraudulent...
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Defendant Attempted to Suppress Vote Through Social Media Disinformation Campaign

Douglass Mackey, also known as “Ricky Vaughn,” was convicted today by a federal jury in Brooklyn of the charge of Conspiracy Against Rights stemming from his scheme to deprive individuals of their constitutional right to vote. The verdict followed a one-week trial before United States District Judge Ann M. Donnelly. When sentenced, Mackey faces a maximum of 10 years in prison.

Breon Peace, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, and Michael J. Driscoll, Assistant Director-in-Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, New York Field Office (FBI), announced the verdict.

“Mackey has been found guilty by a jury of his peers of attempting to deprive individuals from exercising their sacred right to vote for the candidate of their choice in the 2016 Presidential Election,” stated United States Attorney Peace. “Today’s verdict proves that the defendant’s fraudulent actions crossed a line into criminality and flatly rejects his cynical attempt to use the constitutional right of free speech as a shield for his scheme to subvert the ballot box and suppress the vote.”

In 2016, Mackey established an audience on Twitter with approximately 58,000 followers. A February 2016 analysis by the MIT Media Lab ranked Mackey as the 107th most important influencer of the then-upcoming Presidential Election.

As proven at trial, between September 2016 and November 2016, Mackey conspired with other influential Twitter users and with members of private online groups to use social media platforms, including Twitter, to disseminate fraudulent messages that encouraged supporters of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to “vote” via text message or social media which, in reality, was legally invalid. For example, on November 1, 2016, in or around the same time that Mackey was sending tweets suggesting the importance of limiting “black turnout,” the defendant tweeted an image depicting an African American woman standing in front of an “African Americans for Hillary” sign. The ad stated: “Avoid the Line. Vote from Home,” “Text ‘Hillary’ to 59925,” and “Vote for Hillary and be a part of history.” The fine print at the bottom of the deceptive image stated: “Must be 18 or older to vote. One vote per person. Must be a legal citizen of the United States. Voting by text not available in Guam, Puerto Rico, Alaska or Hawaii. Paid for by Hillary For President 2016.” The tweet included the typed hashtag “#ImWithHer,” a slogan frequently used by Hillary Clinton. On or about and before Election Day 2016, at least 4,900 unique telephone numbers texted “Hillary” or some derivative to the 59925 text number, which had been used in multiple deceptive campaign images tweeted by Mackey and his co-conspirators.

Several hours after tweeting the first image, Mackey tweeted an image depicting a woman seated at a conference room typing a message on her cell phone. This deceptive image was written in Spanish and mimicked a font used by the Clinton campaign in authentic ads. The image also included a copy of the Clinton campaign’s logo and the “ImWithHer” hashtag.

The government’s case is being handled by the Office’s Public Integrity Section. Assistant United States Attorneys Erik D. Paulsen and F. Turner Buford of the Office’s Public Integrity Section, and Trial Attorney William J. Gullotta of the Department of Justice’s Public Integrity Section are in charge of the prosecution, with the assistance of Paralegal Specialist Shivani Parshad.
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