America - The Official Thread
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Danoff
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America has a ton of problems. An insurrectionist population bent on authoritarianism, trump, thomas, alito, qualified immunity, the filibuster, gerrymandering, the electoral college, a broken 14th amendment, mass shootings, elon musk...convicted Don or demented Joe - best wishes America
So many problems. Biden isn't really one of them. You might say it would be nice for Biden to have fixed all of the things, or whatever, but the filibuster up there ^ was a big stumbling block and remains so.
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Forgot about the pardon (see below). That belongs high on this list. Other stuff too I'm sure.
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Biden is a totally acceptable, maybe even good President.
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I think about this a lot... whether someone agrees with a President's policies or not I absolutely believe the President has a responsibility to be a human being as well as a leader in order to be respected.
There is a documentary I think all Americans should watch called "The Way I See It," which is about the official White House photographer's experience during the Obama (and earlier, the Reagan) administration. It really paints a picture of what it means to be a President other than just the political work of the job itself. You don't need to be a fan of Obama to see that he was a powerful image for the country, a fantastic speaker, but also a family man with empathy and care towards others. The candid photos they share of Obama really makes me miss those days when America really felt... normal.
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Whenever I watch something that was filmed or takes place in the 90s or the 00s (the first two decades I have memories of and can relate to) I have this sudden nostalgic feeling for normal times. September 11th was massively world changing, but even the period following that felt more normal than the post-2016 era. Bush and Obama were starkly different people, but their values were not opposing, just their politics. The 2016- era has felt like an implosion of normality and an implosion of values where everything from the right feels like a deliberate & chaotic rejection of decency & morality.
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What’s funny is people on the right accuse the left of the exact same thing.
McLaren
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Yes. That’s called projection. It’s what the P in GOP currently stands for.
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Danoff
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...and yet they want to crawl over broken glass to vote for a convicted felon and rapist... so maybe some of them are hypocrites.
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Yea, well...Trump is actually President but he's on strike. And since only the President can fire striking federal workers, the ability to self-pardon is cancelled right out because he fired himself.
This logic is how I can get to sleep at night.
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belongs to this tread : https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-political-cartoon-image-meme-thread.343002/
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Can he pardon himself, as a sitting president, is a question that does not even need to be asked, since he can be pardoned by his vice president. How?
When a sitting president is voluntarily incapacitated, say hospital stay, or undergoes surgery the sitting vice president assumes all duties and responsibilities of the office of the presidency. The VP could then issue a pardon as acting president to pardon the president. The sitting president is released from hospital to assume his duties, and now he finds himself pardoned. Your thoughts?
When a sitting president is voluntarily incapacitated, say hospital stay, or undergoes surgery the sitting vice president assumes all duties and responsibilities of the office of the presidency. The VP could then issue a pardon as acting president to pardon the president. The sitting president is released from hospital to assume his duties, and now he finds himself pardoned. Your thoughts?
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My thoughts are that the pardon power was not properly thought through and that it represents a giant broken hole in the US system of government. The president can ask supporters to break the law and promise pardons. That enables them to operate outside the law, which was never the intent.
For example, the president could ask supporters to assassinate a supreme court justice and then pardon them. The president could then do the same for congress when an impeachment inquiry is started. It needs strong revision. The president should not be able to pardon themselves or anyone for carrying out an act they instructed.
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If Trump goes to prison before the election, can he still run for president and ultimately win, whilst in prison?
A quick Google suggests that there’s nothing currently in place to prevent this.
A quick Google suggests that there’s nothing currently in place to prevent this.
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You would think common sense would prevent it but unfortunately having common sense doesn't apply to conservative voters.
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So I take it that it’s just me who thinks that would be hilarious and I really hope that exact thing happens, and the next sitting president of the USA serves his term from a prison cell. It apparently can happen, legally, therefore it must happen.
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No, you're very firmly aligned with the Trump voters on this one. Like the racism, sexism, stupidity, ableism, philandering, rape, constant stink of association with child sex traffickers, constant stink, a million deaths, abuses of power, corruption, theft and likely sale of secrets, treachery, treason, and absolute classlessness, being a felon and potentially in prison just doesn't seem to be a deal-breaker for these people.
Weird group to stand with, but okay.
The USA did "lol what happens if we vote him in" for a troll candidate before. An excess million people died and the Supreme Court was stacked to allow abortion rights to be outlawed - and gay marriage, interracial marriage, and contraception are next (courtesy of the same interpretation). Among other things.
Probably not going to join you in hoping for more.
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You seem to be forgetting about the positives of Trump’s presidency, such as when he was up at 4am, tweeting about nuking Iran. That was quality.
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Nope. Not providing a second-by-second account of the period doesn't mean any of it has been forgotten.
Yet not a redeeming feature, nor sufficient to outweigh any tiniest fraction of the gross idiocy and incompetence of that period.
Again, if you want to align yourself with those who think it is, that's your choice.
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Those are the bits I like the most. Politicians are grossly idiotic and incompetent across the board, but nobody else does it quite like Trump. Another term would be chaos, and I’m all for that. If that means aligning myself with a load of hootin’ n’ hollerin’ rednecks, I’m way beyond the stage of caring about anything like that.
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just because something is not clearly stated, doesn't mean that it is allowed to do, especially for things as important as this. Supreme Court needs to determine it clearly the intent of that aspect.
In the collective minds of the public and the historian and scholars and lawyers, shouldn't there be some sort of democratic judgement and determination we can make ?
And not let one person speak for all ?
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I was unaware that you were so bloodthirsty, and against equal rights for gay people, women, and non-white races.
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What @Clinton Ducks meant is probably that:
This country has not yet hit bottom, and so we should let trump lead us to the bottom, so that we can all universally see it and all come united to agree that Trump was the wrong choice....
It's like teaching a kid by letting them fail... And let them see for themselves the repercussions of their own choices...
I think I would agree with that ..
Edit: get your popcorns and guns, because it will get nasty once we get there...
I am tired of giving warning and heads-up nicely, if they don't want to understand or refuse to see their idiotic point of views they let them me... Can't be doing the same thing and expect the same results...
Sit back watch the country go down in flame, or down the toilet, whichever you prefer
I sort of want trump to win now just for it...
At least if it happens, the Biden or the Democrats wouldn't be blamed... (Yet I know Dems would still be blamed)
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