America - The Official Thread

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Omnis
More democrats should be sent off in helicopters.
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Check out the replies to Scottish comedian Limmy's tweet.

For a group of people who constantly lose their mind over leftie 'snowflakes', this total twitter meltdown because of a tweet ranks up their with the funniest things to happen so far in 2017.

The people reporting him to the 'FBI'. :lol: :lol:
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My5 are currently showing a repeat of a Comedy Central programme called 'Roast Trump' which was filmed a while back... one of the roasters made this exact joke - to Donald Trump's face. No FBI was called, presumably.
 
huskeR32
*sigh*

Is this thread really going to become the dumping ground for the decidedly not-clever "lol at the triggered snowflakes" tripe that took over the election thread?

Surely we're capable of talking about actual issues instead of just sitting around congratulating ourselves for being a bunch of geniuses?
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I don't think the AUP prevents you from discussing the issues...or do you just want to control what everyone else says?
 
Johnnypenso
or do you just want to control what everyone else says?
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Since @huskeR32 hasn't told anybody to do anything I don't know how you leap to this suggestion - incidentally if you're looking for someone controlling what's said in this thread this seems way closer to the mark:

mister dog
You don't like, you don't click.
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If you don't like something in here, don't raise it, just don't click and pipe down. Nice.
 
TRGTspecialist
Since @huskeR32 hasn't told anybody to do anything I don't know how you leap to this suggestion - incidentally if you're looking for someone controlling what's said in this thread this seems way closer to the mark:

If you don't like something in here, don't raise it, just don't click and pipe down. Nice.
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Don't like it don't click means don't watch the video if you don't want to see people being triggered. Funny how you had to add in the "pipe down" to make your point:lol:
 
Johnnypenso
Don't like it don't click means don't watch the video if you don't want to see people being triggered. Funny how you had to add in the "pipe down" to make your point:lol:
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If I don't click on something, I can't comment on it. So if I was being told not to click, then yes, that would be being told to pipe down.........
 
Johnnypenso
Make America- The Official Thread great again...no more triggered videos:lol:
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We need an anti Trump thread, no triggered videos and free cookies plus counseling. Did the election thread turn into a trigger vid laugh fest that I forgot about?

Anyway seeing those idiot rioters ruining the cause for the peaceful ones is sad, I didn't see those big numbers promised, and where were all the pink pussy hats? I don't think that was much of a protest tbh.
 
xyloscissor
We need an anti Trump thread, no triggered videos and free cookies plus counseling. Did the election thread turn into a trigger vid laugh fest that I forgot about?

Anyway seeing those idiot rioters ruining the cause for the peaceful ones is sad, I didn't see those big numbers promised, and where were all the pink pussy hats? I don't think that was much of a protest tbh.
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I'm sure there were one or two triggered vids posted somewhere in the 10,000+ comments, but taking over? I call fake news on that one. :lol:
 
Nixon did all sorts of things I don't care for, creating the EPA is probably the worst. Do they even consider congressional law anymore or do they just make their own? It should be abolished as it's a runaway freight train.
 
I know the triggering is real, but how about we look at Trump's plan? What does everyone think about the plan to put in place term limits on Congress? Also about his ban on lobbyist?

I rather like both, having a career politician in Congress that doesn't show up for votes and really just goes along with the status quo doesn't really do anything productive.

With lobbyist, I've never liked them or agreed with what they do, so limiting them in any way is good in my mind. Couple this with limiting Congress terms and maybe you'll end up getting a better crop of candidates that listen to the people they are supposed to represent instead of being influenced by lobbyist donations. I know this will still happen, but it seems like a step in the right direction to get rid of it.

I also rather like Trump's plan of for every new regulation, two must be discontinued. It won't work, but it's nice to see someone who wants to at least decrease government regulations.

As for what I don't like, don't build a friggin wall. It's going to cost money that doesn't need to be spent and isn't going to stop illegal immigrants from crossing the boarder since a wall is easily defeated with a ladder. I'm also skeptical of his education reform, anything that says "we're going to make college more affordable" means that money has to come from somewhere and it's going to be through taxes. I funded my own education, I don't want to fund someone else's. Although with education, ditching common core sounds excellent, especially common core math which is terrible.
 
phillkillv2
The people responsible for damaging the Starbucks are likely not representative of the greater bulk of the protestors, though even knowing that doesn't keep morons from pushing the narrative of "All protestors are criminals." or bad.

It's easy to be ignorant of outside ideas when people are coddled by their social and personal communities.
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Don't ruin the fun for the guys.
 
Joey D
What does everyone think about the plan to put in place term limits on Congress?
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It works if you look at it as trying to "stop the rot" and prevent someone from amassing too much personal political power. But what if you have someone who is genuinely good at the job and the best person to represent their constituents? Imposing a term limit potentially introduces a different form of ineffective governance to the system.

Joey D
I'm also skeptical of his education reform, anything that says "we're going to make college more affordable" means that money has to come from somewhere and it's going to be through taxes.
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I don't know how your system works, but we have one called HECS-HELP, where you essentially take out a loan and repay it once you enter the workforce and start earning a set amount. The amount you repay is automatically deducted from your pay - though you can make voluntary repayments - and is at a fixed rate, so you don't get charged more than you can afford. The price of a university degree is fixed to stop costs spiralling out of control.

Joey D
Although with education, ditching common core sounds excellent, especially common core math which is terrible.
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I've already explained why it's a terrible idea. The short version: abandoning it will require a greater emphasis on standardised testing to ensure parity in educational outcomes across states. That will have a detrimental effect on the overall quality of secondary education.

Look at the PISA and TIMMS data. You're going backwards, and that's bad because it's weighted to an historical average to prevent fluctuations in the data year-on-year. And they're just ranking literacy, numeracy and scientific skills, the most basic forms of education. If Trump wants to improve educational outcomes, the system needs to move away from standardised testing and instead adopt the assessment for learning model. And he should look to the Kazakhstani and Estonian models - upon achieving independence from the Soviet Union, they realised that they were on their own, and so identified the needs of future learners and tailored their curriculum to meet those needs.
 
Joey D
What does everyone think about the plan to put in place term limits on Congress? Also about his ban on lobbyist?
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I've always been in favor of term limits, the only person who ever gave an argument I could live with was Joe Lieberman when he said something like "who better for the position than a professional" but in all honesty I don't think there was ever an intention for career politicians. It should be people doing their duty to the country.

The lobby question is a hard one, we do have the right to petition. The idea was not to flood officials with bribes however, it's more of a campaign finance thing to me. I don't mind the lobby I guess, maybe we need to choose our leaders more wisely and play a more active role because it should not take money to be heard.
The right to petition government for redress of grievances is the right to make a complaint to, or seek the assistance of, one's government, without fear of punishment or reprisals.
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Joey D
I also rather like Trump's plan of for every new regulation, two must be discontinued. It won't work, but it's nice to see someone who wants to at least decrease government regulations.
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The problem with regulation is it kills the little guy and the powerhouse business writes them 1/2 the time. I love this idea 👍

Joey D
As for what I don't like, don't build a friggin wall. It's going to cost money that doesn't need to be spent and isn't going to stop illegal immigrants from crossing the boarder since a wall is easily defeated with a ladder. I'm also skeptical of his education reform, anything that says "we're going to make college more affordable" means that money has to come from somewhere and it's going to be through taxes.
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I know the wall sounds literal, let's see what he actually does. I think it's a figure of speech to address immigration. Usually I would agree with you on the education part but I'm thinking more along the lines of trimming down on the bureaucracy, we'll see.

Someone mentioned the core value again(oh it was you, thought that was another post :embarrassed: ) , let him strip it as the state's can handle that and he has said many times he is going to give power back to the states.

I'll add that people who work hard and pay for education should not be punished by a watered down version of it because there is a flood of welfare recipients. Education is not a right.
 
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xyloscissor
The lobby question is a hard one, we do have the right to petition. The idea was not to flood officials with bribes however, it's more of a campaign finance thing to me. I don't mind the lobby I guess, maybe we need to choose our leaders more wisely and play a more active role because it should not take money to be heard.
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I think what a lobbyist is supposed to be and what they actually are is the problem. While they don't directly offer bribes, they do so in a round about way through campaign contributions. If they are in any way limited, I will rather like that, especially if you couple it with term limits. This means a new batch of Congressmen would be in power every so many years and hopefully lobbyist would have less of an influence which would allow the citizens the Congressmen represent to have the voice.

xyloscissor
Someone mentioned the core value again, let him strip it as the state's can handle that and he has said many times he is going to give power back to the states.
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Of course, states should almost always handle their own business and federal government should be fairly hands off. It would be easier to pick a place to live too. Sure states vary today, but coming from Michigan to Utah I didn't really see a change other than people have zero concept of how to drive here and our more strange laws are solely due to Mormons.
 
prisonermonkeys
I don't know how your system works, but we have one called HECS-HELP, where you essentially take out a loan and repay it once you enter the workforce and start earning a set amount. The amount you repay is automatically deducted from your pay - though you can make voluntary repayments - and is at a fixed rate, so you don't get charged more than you can afford. The price of a university degree is fixed to stop costs spiralling out of control.
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That's how it works here minus your last sentence as university costs differ, and that's where a lot of people get upset that some universities ask for outrageous amounts of money to get through them.

I'm curious like Joey to see what Trump means as well, but it certainly sounds better so far than Bernie who wanted free college tuition free & debt free. If the students aren't paying for it, who is? Tax payers? If so, do the tax payers get a say in the curriculum?
 
prisonermonkeys
abandoning it will require a greater emphasis on standardised testing to ensure parity in educational outcomes across states. That will have a detrimental effect on the overall quality of secondary education.
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And again I disagree with that idea, this is america and we don't do it like that, we have very good higher education and our better schools around the country prepare the kids to accel in those universities and colleges. As I said it's a mater of supply and demand. I know we will never agree on this issue.(you are thinking of socialists)
 
xyloscissor
this is america and we don't do it like that, we have very good higher education and our better schools around the country prepare the kids to accel in those universities and colleges
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Standardised testing only engages the most basic thinking skills, like comprehension. There is little engagement of higher-order thinking skills, like analysis, synthesis, evaluation and creation. Your education system already has a greater emphasis on standardised testing than most of the western world. I mean, your college admission tests are multiple choice - even in literature. Compare that to some of the questions we ask in our final exams:
"Shakespeare's Hamlet has been described as 'a bleak portrait of a world in which the balance has been disturbed'. To what extent does this perspective align with your understanding of Hamlet?"

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"An exploration of intertextual perspectives reveals the relationship between context and key values. Discuss this view with detailed reference to the extracts below and your pair of prescribed texts: 'Until they become conscious, they will never rebel, and until they have rebelled they cannot become conscious' [from Nineteen Eighty-Four] and an image from Fritz Laing's Metropolis [provided in exam paper]."
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Both of these questions require higher-order thinking skills. We stop standardised testing in Year 9, and even then, we only use it for diagnostic purposes.

If you look at the PISA and TIMMS data, you're going backwards. You're not just falling behind the traditional European heavyweights (Germany and Scandinavia), but behind Asia (particularly China, Korea and Singapore). Give it a few years, and you'll have fallen behind the former Soviet republics.
 
@prisonermonkeys

What you are failing to understand is that we don't care about all that, school is not for everyone and we've always been able to produce top notch scientists etc, if we can't we just kidnap them. "No child left behind" for instance, we don't care about that.

We are not a socialist country, we do fine when we do it the way we know how and have done for 200 better years. That is Trump's point. We rely heavily upon competition and celebrate greatness. As someone else said in the election thread, we don't care what other countries do 👍

Do away with the testing and the core for all I care, I think a general oversight on the federal level is not a bad idea and I've already said that and I've already said that is as far as I think it should go.

Don't like the schools in your state? Move.
 
xyloscissor
As someone else said in the election thread, we don't care what other countries do 👍
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Even if it mrans convincing yourself that you've got a fantastic education system when you're in danger of falling out of the top thirty countries worldwide?

A prime example of this: one of the defining figures in modern educational theory was Lev Vygotsky. His theories revitalised the Soviet education system, and are commonly used around the world today. But America ignored him, and as such, he gave the Soviet Union a forty-year head-start in improving educational outcomes.

You say "we're not a socialist country" like it's something to be proud of. And in the broadest sense, maybe it is. But those socialist counties recognise the importance and value of a sound education to every individual and work to provide it. That's why they have the best educational outcomes in the world, even among students who would rather not be at school. They don't rely on competition creating a hierarchy within the student body to promote excellence. Under your system, a fraction of students can achieve greatness. Under the systems used in Germany and Scandinavia, every student can achieve greatness.
 
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prisonermonkeys
Even if it mrans convincing yourself that you've got a fantastic education system when you're in danger of falling out of the top thirty countries worldwide?
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I think we are in that position because of core/testing/federal overstepping, so the answer would be no(or yes even if whatever you say). I am very concerned for the state of our education, we've been over this I thought. We tried it the socialist way and look what is happening, you would rather we keep on this path of doom?

Like it or not, will it work or not, Trump is promising to try another way, our old way. That is how all this started right? With his appointment.

I'm not convincing myself of anything btw, I know what position we are in, in fact I'm the one that pointed it out if you can recal.
 
prisonermonkeys
Oh, good. You've got no plan except "do something else and hope it works". What could possibly go wrong?
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You could not be more wrong, there is a plan, the plan is to go back to the way it worked. I know, well first off, that this is a very passionate topic for you so I do respect that, that it is hard for you to understand because you don't know our culture as well as you might think...

The plan is simple, put the power back in the states, give people their right to say for themselves. Believe it or not we are not a lazy people who need our hand held by our federal government or any government for that matter. We have desires and initiative that does not require all that b.s.

We are the land of the free, or, we used to be. So he want's to try that, not only in education but we are speaking of that so, you seem to think it is not ok for people to succeed without a government this or that regulation and guideline. I say fooo eeee to that notion. That is all, why do you care about what we do so much anyway?

Maybe it's a bit scary to think the Trump might do well and serve us instead of doing poorly and having us serve him.
 

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