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There's a difference. Obama offered up an opinion and left it at that. Trump has accused the media of unfairly waging a campaign against him - which, to be fair, is an opinion - but is now granting and restricting media access. Or do you think that Trump is entirely justified in trying to control the media?
A President picking which media he wants to talk to? Oh my, that's never been done before....

Secondly, the person who barred the media was Spicer over a press gaggle. This would be a lot more concerning if it happens over a full conference.
 
A President picking which media he wants to talk to? Oh my, that's never been done before....
If it were a case of the President having a choice between talking to CNN or FOX, you'd have a point. But this is more than that - this is Trump trying to exert pressure on the media by characterising them as failing businesses that have resorted to fabricating stories to try and get more readers and stay in business.

Secondly, the person who barred the media was Spicer over a press gaggle.
Do you honestly think that Spicer is acting wholly of his own accord?

This would be a lot more concerning if it happens over a full conference.
It started out with Tweets. Then it became press conferences where Trump attacked the media. Now particular outlets are consciously being blocked from informal press events. All of that in the space of a month. Things are clearly escalating, so how long do you think it will be before Trump tries to block them from full conferences?
 
If it were a case of the President having a choice between talking to CNN or FOX, you'd have a point. But this is more than that - this is Trump trying to exert pressure on the media by characterising them as failing businesses that have resorted to fabricating stories to try and get more readers and stay in business.
It's a bold claim, but it's not that far out. The Golden Shower or PewDiePie story were fabricated by taking something out of context and turning it into something else.

Trump doesn't like people peeing on him and Felix isn't a Nazi. Sloppy, irresponsible journalism.

Do you honestly think that Spicer is acting wholly of his own accord?
You have proof he isn't? Spicer is already quite the character when it comes to the press.
 
I don't recall Obama describing the media as the enemy of the people or characterising stories about him doing a poor job as fake news. There's a distinct difference between Obama and Trump when it comes to the media - Trump is unwilling to tolerate any kind of criticism.
Obama whined for 8 years about Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and was patently unwilling to tolerate any kind of criticism from Fox News himself. The difference between Trump and Obama's situation is that Obama's only MSM foe was Fox News, for Trump, it's everyone else.
 
Obama whined for 8 years about Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and was patently unwilling to tolerate any kind of criticism from Fox News himself.
And most people view FOX News as an utter joke. There's a big difference between CNN reporting an opinion poll showing majority disapproval for Trump and FOX deliberately manipulating images of critics of conservative politics to present them in the most unflattering light possible.
 
So apparently Trump wants to increase our nuclear arsenal:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-exclusive-idUSKBN1622IF

All I can think of is this:
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According to this graph, we have nearly 7,000 warheads, do we really need more than that?

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Simple answer, no.
 
According to this graph, we have nearly 7,000 warheads, do we really need more than that?

Apart from that being more than enough to wipe out the entire planet several times over, the ones that the US does have are difficult to maintain as it is.

http://time.com/44648/u-s-faces-challenges-maintaining-aging-nuclear-arsenal/

Money needs to go into maintaining or disposing of those first before adding new ones to the pile.

Obama is great with words which I think helped him play the media game. Trump on the other hand is terrible with them and that combined with his lack of tact really aren't good material for someone who has to deal with the press on a constant basis.

One could argue that someone who can't be clear and articulate and has problems with tact isn't a great choice for a president. I mean, the role is at least in part a figurehead.

Well you have to look it objectively. No matter what your political strain is you'd want to surround yourself with elements of the press that are favorable to your public image. It has been this way for many presidents beforehand and in the case of Trump who is constantly demonized by the MSM, it is even more understandable.

Human nature no?

It's human nature I suppose, but generally Presidents are smart enough to realise that they represent the WHOLE country, not just the parts that agree with them, and that it's politick to allow reporters that represent opposing views in so that people don't feel like they're being marginalised.

Then people must love their comedy, because FOX news dominates the ratings here in the US.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/category/ratings

We're on a Gran Turismo site. I assume that everyone is well aware that sales (or views in this case) are not a reliable indicator of quality, in that they can be handily obfuscated by brand loyalty.
 
Obama whined for 8 years about Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and was patently unwilling to tolerate any kind of criticism from Fox News himself. The difference between Trump and Obama's situation is that Obama's only MSM foe was Fox News, for Trump, it's everyone else.

You really can't see the difference between a handful of comments Obama may have made about Fox News over the eight years of his Presidency, & the way Trump appears to be making attacking the MSM a centerpiece of his political strategy - going so far as to call the media "the enemy of the American people"? If you can't see the difference, Fox News' Chris Wallace can:

 
going so far as to call the media "the enemy of the American people"?
Just the media reporting that he's doing anything less than an awesome job.

We had a similar problem a few years ago when the government kept complaining that the media - particularly the state-funded broadcasters - wasn't giving them enough positive media coverage, and even tried to cut funding if they didn't start changing things. It was the beginning of the end; the Prime Minister was removed from office within a few months.
 
going so far as to call the media "the enemy of the American people"?
Didn't he say the 'fake news' media is the enemy of the American people, and the media subsequently twisted those words around to 'the media is the enemy of the American people, which is fake news in itself?
 
A President picking which media he wants to talk to? Oh my, that's never been done before....

You're right. Some meetings that Obama had (trade, defence etc.) were no longer open to the press and official photos were published. Those events were never planned as full press conferences - it had just been a tradition that the pool would send their own photographers. After that change th WH issued its own photos of the meetings instead.

Secondly, the person who barred the media was Spicer over a press gaggle. This would be a lot more concerning if it happens over a full conference.

It did happen over a full conference. The conference was cancelled and, instead, selected reporters were invited to Spicer's office. I agree that these things have to be looked at on a case-by-case basis but in this particular case it's a bit stinky.
 
Didn't he say the 'fake news' media is the enemy of the American people, and the media subsequently twisted those words around to 'the media is the enemy of the American people, which is fake news in itself?

To be fair, he's labelled pretty much everyone except Breitbart as fake news at some point.
 
To be fair, he's labelled pretty much everyone except Breitbart as fake news at some point.


Yes but pretty much all of them are biased against him apart from Fox and Breitbart? Anyhow like I said people are pulling that quote out of context yet again; no he didn't say 'the media'.
 
Yes but pretty much all of them are biased against him apart from Fox and Breitbart?

Even Fox is calling him on his BS. Some may be biased, but it's not biased when you're simply reporting on the crazy stuff that is going on or is being alleged to go on inside the White House.

Anyhow like I said people are pulling that quote out of context yet again; no he didn't say 'the media'.

No, he didn't. I'm simply pointing out that the simplification that most people are making doesn't really change the meaning of what he said at all. He objects to media that publishes anything that paints him negatively, even if it's the truth. See Inauguration Controversy, The.

I'd be interested to know who Trump doesn't consider to be fake news. That tweet lists some that he does, but there are definitely more. As we see above, Fox News is now in defending the other outlets that Trump is attacking. Bannon is suggesting that Breitbart is fake news, which is so hilarious I don't know where to start.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/bannon-accuses-breitbart-of-peddling-fake-news/article/2006844

Let's face it, the whole fake news thing is not about accuracy or transparency in the media. It's about Trump and his government taking control. They want to be able to shoot down anything that doesn't suit their purposes, and they want to whip the media into a state where they'll either police themselves or simply be too scared to fight back.

Past presidents, like all politicians, have a mixed relationship with the press. They're essential to the communication that the government has with the people, and yet at the same time they have a lot of power over the way things are perceived. Yet most presidents know that if you're honest, transparent and hard working then pretty much all the press will at least give you a fair shake.

Trump has decided to forgo that and simply treat all press as adversarial from the start. Including some that would ostensibly be his supporters, but are required for the sake of keeping up the image of reporting news to even comment on the crazy things he does. That is not what a free country does, and that's not what the leader of a free country does.

The irony is that Republicans are typically the more hardcore on the constitution and rights. Freedom of the press is a big part of that. I think we're seeing how Trump isn't really a Republican or a Democrat. He's not ultimately about America at all, he's about Trump. He went with the party that he thought had the best chance of getting him into power, but ultimately he only serves himself.
 

Even Fox is calling him on his BS
Shepard Smith? :D

Anyhow if you haven't followed all the bias and yes; fake news coming from the MSM, then I would recommend checking out Marks videos like the one above. There's tons of it documented already although I suppose you won't like Mark and call him a conspiracy theorist now.
 
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Shepard Smith? :D


What a fantastic moronic generalisation he makes, and apparently with zero understanding of what he's talking about. "Liberals across the country" are turning to witchcraft, he tells us, before becoming confused between the bible and other stuff. Witches aren't satanic, but I guess he struggles with that. D'oh.

What help is his turgid outpouring going to give the America thread? You'd be far better posting this in the Conspiracies/Illuminati thread, surely?
 
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And most people view FOX News as an utter joke. There's a big difference between CNN reporting an opinion poll showing majority disapproval for Trump and FOX deliberately manipulating images of critics of conservative politics to present them in the most unflattering light possible.
I assume you have a link for that because stats I've seen show that Fox's audience is much more politically balanced towards the middle than CNN, MSNBC etc. who's audiences tend to lean way left. Regardless, it's irrelevant what people think of Fox News. Fox News is part of the American media. According to you, no President should be isolating any news organizations and should just leave them all alone because freedom of the press. All you're doing is saying it's ok to single out one organization so long as it's against you, but not many organizations if they are against you.
 
One could argue that someone who can't be clear and articulate and has problems with tact isn't a great choice for a president. I mean, the role is at least in part a figurehead.

You won't find any argument from me there, that doesn't change the fact that journalism has for the most part become nothing more than a quest for ratings/clicks with little regard for how factual the info actually is.
 
What a fantastic moronic generalisation he makes, and apparently with zero understanding of what he's talking about. "Liberals across the country" are turning to witchcraft, he tells us, before becoming confused between the bible and other stuff. Witches aren't satanic, but I guess he struggles with that. D'oh.
Ah it doesn't concern liberals across the country then? Sure explain the definition of witchcraft to try and ridicule the video whilst you should be ridiculing this lunatic behavior on your side of the political spectrum nowadays.

What help is his turgid outpouring going to give the America thread? You'd be far better posting this in the Conspiracies/Illuminati thread, surely?
Well he is the American president now isn't he? You just don't like these videos because they expose uncomfortable facts to you, and it isn't a 'conspiracy theory' seeing this worldwide ritual is actually taking place and is documented in newspapers across the globe:

http://nypost.com/2017/02/24/witches-around-the-world-plot-mass-spell-against-trump/
http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/24/witches-are-putting-a-spell-on-donald-trump-at-midnight-6469400/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-spell-cast_us_58af3de7e4b0780bac27692a
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4257216/Witches-gather-midnight-cast-spell-Donald-Trump.html
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20170224_02749606
 
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What a fantastic moronic generalisation he makes, and apparently with zero understanding of what he's talking about. "Liberals across the country" are turning to witchcraft, he tells us, before becoming confused between the bible and other stuff. Witches aren't satanic, but I guess he struggles with that. D'oh.

What help is his turgid outpouring going to give the America thread? You'd be far better posting this in the Conspiracies/Illuminati thread, surely?
Better harmless witchcraft than other more harmful forms of quackery...
 
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