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I almost never bother with Trump's Twitter account but the replies... are just full of bots who spout CROOKED Hillary memes all the time and bigots who, in response to this particular news, say that this is a good thing because the US armed forces need to be strong and tough and cannot be so with transgenders.

Not that I should be surprised at these findings of course but... I need to go wash my eyeballs. Unclean.
 
I don't know how this relates to climate change or net neutrality, but I also had to check to see if it was a parody, and was really hoping it was.
It was under Donald Trump that pulls out from Paris Convention and appointed some ISP corporate as a head of FCC. The former sparks some Climate Change discussions, but the latter is what I felt bad for American people / people who uses American Services since many people seems to worry about it.

To be fair, though, this is rather controversial at best. You cant enlist into military for some slight deficiency (Flat Feet for example). Still quite lot of Trump decisions has been controversial for most people.
 
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The military has a hard enough time recruiting people, I don't know why they'd bar even more people from joining up. Military service isn't compulsory (nor should it ever be) so if someone wants to go spread freedom across a bunch of third world nations I don't know why we'd stop them as long as they're medically sound.

Add another 48 months if the Democrats can't get a real candidate.

Maybe, I think the average, middle-of-the-road, American would probably vote for a terrible Democrat over Trump. Even here in ultra-conservative Utah the population is mostly split on Trump. I have to imagine in more swing states he's lost even more ground.
 
I wish that were true. If you're a US male and between 18 and 25, you're registered with selective service and can be compelled into the military.

True, but I was thinking more along the lines of countries like Israel which I believe requires military service of all its citizens. Sorry I wasn't super clear on that.
 
Is it even constitutional? As a federal employer do the armed forces have the right to have a discriminatory hiring policy in place?
 
Is it even constitutional? As a federal employer do the armed forces have the right to have a discriminatory hiring policy in place?

I think gender dysphoria is still considered a "mental illness" (although I can't find anything to say for certain one way or another) so they could use that to discriminate by saying the person enlisting is "mentally unfit".
 
You do realise that Trump is the bully, right?

It isn't 1812 and his name isn't Madison, so not even a trifle burned.
If he jumps into the Potomac nude though . . .

The day the media cannot criticise the government for fear of reprisal - however (seemingly) benign - is the day freedom of the press dies. And a free press is usually the first casualty of a dictagirship.

WE are the media. Times have changed.
 
Maybe, I think the average, middle-of-the-road, American would probably vote for a terrible Democrat over Trump. Even here in ultra-conservative Utah the population is mostly split on Trump. I have to imagine in more swing states he's lost even more ground.

Just looking at potential 2020 candidates, I doubt any of those people have a shot at Trump, I just think they're too far left (Warren, Booker, and Sanders especially [even though Sanders is Independent]).

Although anyone could just show up. I doubt in 2005 the Democrats thought they had a candidate in little-known Chicagolander Barry O.
 
The military has a hard enough time recruiting people, I don't know why they'd bar even more people from joining up. Military service isn't compulsory (nor should it ever be) so if someone wants to go spread freedom across a bunch of third world nations I don't know why we'd stop them as long as they're medically sound.
To my understanding from another military member, transgender people are not really banned; they can still enlist & serve under their biological sex. He said it's more of a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", and stated he believes there's already 4,000 trans. members in the military, but you'll never know.

He thought it was completely reckless of how Trump handled and worded the announcement though. To him, he believes the ban is to keep them from joining and trying to have any trans-related operations performed as a service member, that would fall back on taxpayer money. He has no issue though with them wanting to serve since at the end of the day, they're still signing their life away to military enlistment, medical operations or not. That's more than he could say for the armchair experts that will spend time arguing about it.

In short, he's more upset by all the discussion about transgender folks' "mental health" being eligible for the military, than the mental health of actual combat veterans.
 
Quote @Johnnypenso here rather than over in the Transgender thread as much of my answer is off-topic:

Illegal border crossings down more than 50%.

Sure? 40% more are being stopped on the Mexican border and the backlog of deportation cases is up to 600,000. There's no evidence about immigration numbers to the NY/Boston/Chicago areas though, the second "hotspot" after Mexico except that deportation seems far more sporadic.

Dropped a MOAB on ISIS who are all but defeated now.

They're just one organisation with a particular name. Westerners were engaged militarily with the boko haram doctrine hundreds of years before ISIS was a thing and will continue to long after. You do rather make it sound as though America's single MOAB use was the main instrument in the decline of ISIS - that seems to ignore the military efforts of the other 53 countries fighting them.

Trade concessions from China in his first meeting with them.

Yes, the same day that Ivanka received three new hard-to-get-for-Americans trademark deals. What is it with Trump's family and whiffy foreign deals?

Imposed a five year ban on lobbying the gov't by former WH officials and a lifetime ban on lobbying for foreign gov'ts by former WH officials....etc. etc. etc.

2 years, in effect, the 5 years only applies to the department you worked in. It still doesn't ban proxy lobbyists - nor does the "lifetime" ban for that matter.

Trump has achieved some things, I don't dispute that, it's just that this particular list has the whiff of Trump management about it - half a fact stretched bigly.

To my understanding from another military member, transgender people are not really banned; they can still enlist & serve under their biological sex.

That highlights the problem of a President using three 140-character messages to issue policy (even before the Sec Defense had been told). I can understand why the military wouldn't want to fund trans operations but, if that's the basis of this whole policy, that hasn't been made explicit by any means:

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The United States government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the US military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail.

The US military already spends far more on Viagra than it does on "transgender" medicine, I wonder if that issue will be (ahem) raised soon?
 
Quote @Johnnypenso here rather than over in the Transgender thread as much of my answer is off-topic:



Sure? 40% more are being stopped on the Mexican border and the backlog of deportation cases is up to 600,000. There's no evidence about immigration numbers to the NY/Boston/Chicago areas though, the second "hotspot" after Mexico except that deportation seems far more sporadic.



They're just one organisation with a particular name. Westerners were engaged militarily with the boko haram doctrine hundreds of years before ISIS was a thing and will continue to long after. You do rather make it sound as though America's single MOAB use was the main instrument in the decline of ISIS - that seems to ignore the military efforts of the other 53 countries fighting them.



Yes, the same day that Ivanka received three new hard-to-get-for-Americans trademark deals. What is it with Trump's family and whiffy foreign deals?



2 years, in effect, the 5 years only applies to the department you worked in. It still doesn't ban proxy lobbyists - nor does the "lifetime" ban for that matter.

Trump has achieved some things, I don't dispute that, it's just that this particular list has the whiff of Trump management about it - half a fact stretched bigly.



That highlights the problem of a President using three 140-character messages to issue policy (even before the Sec Defense had been told). I can understand why the military wouldn't want to fund trans operations but, if that's the basis of this whole policy, that hasn't been made explicit by any means:



The US military already spends far more on Viagra than it does on "transgender" medicine, I wonder if that issue will be (ahem) raised soon?
I was merely disputing the efficacy of the statement that Trump had done nothing in his first 6 months in office. Clearly that's not the case.
 
So far we have Kanye and the Rock for President 2020 and Kid Rock for Michigan Senate 2018, did I miss any? What other celebrities do y'all think are going to throw their hat in the ring?
 
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So far we have Kanye and the Rock for President 2020 and Kid Rock for Michigan Senate 2018, did I miss any? What other celebrities do y'all think are going to throw their hat in the ring?

Mark Cuban? Chris Rock? Tom Hanks? Oprah Winfrey? Mark Zuckerberg?

Good thing is Chris Rock already has a campaign slogan.

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So far we have Kanye and the Rock for President 2020 and Kid Rock for Michigan Senate 2018, did I miss any? What other celebrities do y'all think are going to throw their hat in the ring?

None, except Arnie because has held an elected position previously. No one should be leading a country as their first elected position. (I don't think Arnold is allowed though because he wasn't born in the USA? I'm not certain of the rules on that.)
 
None, except Arnie because has held an elected position previously. No one should be leading a country as their first elected position. (I don't think Arnold is allowed though because he wasn't born in the USA? I'm not certain of the rules on that.)

Arnold can't run for President. But he can pretty much run for any other political office.
 
None, except Arnie because has held an elected position previously. No one should be leading a country as their first elected position. (I don't think Arnold is allowed though because he wasn't born in the USA? I'm not certain of the rules on that.)
You are correct, The Arnold can't run for president, he's not a natural born citizen. Would be interesting though.
 
No one should be leading a country as their first elected position.

This didn't stop Zack Taylor (military Major General), Ulysses Grant (military General), Herbert Hoover (mining engineer) or Dwight Eisenhower (military General) becoming President.

Three times, at least, being perceived as a national hero was enough to secure the White House despite Taylor and Eisenhower not even being particularly interested in politics.

Granted, in Hoover's case he was Secretary of Commerce before becoming President but that was an appointed position in return for supporting Warren Harding's presidential bid. Almost like the Rex Tillerson of his day.
 
So far we have Kanye and the Rock for President 2020 and Kid Rock for Michigan Senate 2018, did I miss any? What other celebrities do y'all think are going to throw their hat in the ring?
I support Terry Crews running as long as he runs as Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.
 
This didn't stop Zack Taylor (military Major General), Ulysses Grant (military General), Herbert Hoover (mining engineer) or Dwight Eisenhower (military General) becoming President.

Three times, at least, being perceived as a national hero was enough to secure the White House despite Taylor and Eisenhower not even being particularly interested in politics.

Granted, in Hoover's case he was Secretary of Commerce before becoming President but that was an appointed position in return for supporting Warren Harding's presidential bid. Almost like the Rex Tillerson of his day.

Good for them. I still feel no one should lead a country as their first elected position. I feel it is too much of a risk to take for any country to elect basically some random to lead them. Yes, Taylor, Grant, Hoover, and Eisenhower had been partially involved in politics before their election, however if they had been elected elsewhere first some number of people could have found out if they liked them before becoming POTUS. Would Trump have been elected President if he had run for State, Congress, or Senate first? I doubt it personally because his horribly messy way of operating would have come out then, instead of on the world's stage.

In Canada we got sort of close to doing the same thing as the USA with Kevin O'Leary. Investor, TV guy, large sums in the bank, Conservative leaning. Fortunately he backed out of the leadership race before it ended.

To add to my initial thought, anyone who throws temper tantrums should not lead a country either. So that rules out Hillary in my book too and especially Kanye. :crazy:
 
Good for them. I still feel no one should lead a country as their first elected position. I feel it is too much of a risk to take for any country to elect basically some random to lead them. Yes, Taylor, Grant, Hoover, and Eisenhower had been partially involved in politics before their election, however if they had been elected elsewhere first some number of people could have found out if they liked them before becoming POTUS. Would Trump have been elected President if he had run for State, Congress, or Senate first? I doubt it personally because his horribly messy way of operating would have come out then, instead of on the world's stage.

In Canada we got sort of close to doing the same thing as the USA with Kevin O'Leary. Investor, TV guy, large sums in the bank, Conservative leaning. Fortunately he backed out of the leadership race before it ended.

To add to my initial thought, anyone who throws temper tantrums should not lead a country either. So that rules out Hillary in my book too and especially Kanye. :crazy:
How about a guy who was a playboy and part time school teacher who got into politics riding on his daddy's name and won an election because he looks pretty?
 
How about a guy who was a playboy and part time school teacher who got into politics riding on his daddy's name and won an election because he looks pretty?

And promised to legalize marijuana

FTFY

He held an elected position previous to his election as Prime Minister so that checks out for me and I don't know that he's thrown a temper tantrum so the basic criteria fill out. Otherwise I'm angry he renegged on changing the electoral process and some of his budget spends I question (giving just plain old money to native communities doesn't really help them, giving them something to do is what they need.) He's been a pretty average PM really, nothing stands out massively in the good or bad categories.
 
FTFY

He held an elected position previous to his election as Prime Minister so that checks out for me and I don't know that he's thrown a temper tantrum so the basic criteria fill out. Otherwise I'm angry he renegged on changing the electoral process and some of his budget spends I question (giving just plain old money to native communities doesn't really help them, giving them something to do is what they need.) He's been a pretty average PM really, nothing stands out massively in the good or bad categories.
So you don't really have to accomplish anything with your life except to run for office once, win on your daddy's coat tails, and then you're country leader material? As opposed to leading the armed forces of the most powerful nation in the world leading the allied forces and defeating the greatest evil in history but who never ran for office? Sounds like some pretty arbitrary standards to me.
 
So you don't really have to accomplish anything with your life except to run for office once, win on your daddy's coat tails, and then you're country leader material? As opposed to leading the armed forces of the most powerful nation in the world leading the allied forces and defeating the greatest evil in history but who never ran for office? Sounds like some pretty arbitrary standards to me.

I take them as minimum standards, a smell test if you will. Why is it a bad idea to have someone be elected to another position before leader of any given country? I believe it would force people to show some dedication to the country. It would make for a longer process of coming in, changing laws so you make more money after and then leave. That's the vibe I get from Trump.
 
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