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Non-citizens can now vote in San Francisco school board elections

Non-citizen parents and guardians of children in San Francisco Unified School District are now able to register to vote for Board of Education members, the city's Department of Elections announced. The department began issuing voter registration forms today for the Nov. 6 election. San Francisco voters in 2016 first passed Proposition N, which allowed non-citizen voting, winning with 54 percent of the vote. In May of this year, the Board of Supervisors adopted an ordinance amending the Municipal Elections Code to begin implementing Prop N by requiring the elections department to develop the required forms and documents.
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This morning, several supporters of non-citizen voting, including community groups and the supervisors behind the Prop N, celebrated the launch outside City Hall. "The best way to embrace democracy is to practice democracy and the best way to practice democracy is to vote," Supervisor Norman Yee said. "One of the best things that a parent can do is to select leadership for their kids' education." "This is no-brainer legislation. Why would we not want our parents invested in the education of their children?" Supervisor Hillary Ronen said today. "We're excited about this victory but we want every immigrant parent to reach out to community-based organizations to educate themselves on this law before they go out to vote."
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Not sure if this belongs in the post-Modernism thread or not but probably belongs here.
 
DDastardly00
You seem to be getting hung up over the point of whether that constitutes a hack, and at this point you are saying the Cambridge dictionary definition is wrong (doubtful).
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I didn't say anything of the sort. I said that you are misunderstanding and misapplying the term.

As for the rest of your post, I'm done going in circles with you. You're making a claim that is directly countered by the conclusions reached by the FBI and the DOJ, and you're using words incorrectly and out of context to try and make it stick.
 
Straight up, you are both wrong about the definitions being used for hacking. The oxford can jump off a cliff.
A little history, the original "hackers" didnt hack networks. They changed and adapted code in computer programs to make them function in ways not originally intended. As networking took of, those same types started to find and exploit coding and security faults to gain access to secure networks as well. To this day, anyone who looks to modify a program or gain unauthorized access to a network/program is someone considered a hacker.
I italicized the unauthorized portion as it is relevant to this argument. Someone who does a successful social engineering hack (again, gaining someones credentials illegitimately is considered a form of hack regardless of the means, including phishing) and uses it to gain access to a computer/app/network is an unauthorized user. To that point, Dastardly is not wrong. The FBI stated someone gained a user's login info illegitimately and gained access to said server. Thus, it is not wrong to say that someone used a social engineering hack to gain access to Clintons server.
Source: I am an IT programmer/analyst for a state governement agency. I currently work as a managed LAN technician and also worked as an audit compliance agent tasked with bringing agencies up to NIST, ISO, HIPAA, etc. standards.
 
huskeR32
I didn't say anything of the sort. I said that you are misunderstanding and misapplying the term.

As for the rest of your post, I'm done going in circles with you. You're making a claim that is directly countered by the conclusions reached by the FBI and the DOJ, and you're using words incorrectly and out of context to try and make it stick.
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No, I am not, I posted the link to the FBI saying the account was compromised, you simply can't argue that point without disagreeing with the FBI's findings of the investigation. Then you argued that it is 'not considered hacking because they had the login credentials'. Ah ok, guess that changes everything it makes it ok, phew guys.... at least we weren't hacked, close one bro. Pretty dumb really. Then I posted the Cambridge dictionary definition of Hacking which was :

hack verb (COMPUTING) to access someone else’s computer system without permission in order to obtain or change information

Then you argued that that 'without permission' doesn't apply because the security systems view that as a valid login, ok fine, but it's still considered hacking under that definition. So is Phishing, setting up fake wireless points, and so on by the way. In the end, the label changes nothing, whatever you want to call it is fine, it's a free country. However, it does not change the fact that Hillary kept a private email server in which her and her staff were very careless with the handling of emails, as many as 400 of them contained classified information and at one point that server was compromised and accessed by unauthorized person(s).
 
Just...I mean...holy moley.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...igence-interview-transcript-today-2018-07-18/



Trump on private meeting with Putin in Helsinki
Very strong on the fact that we can't have meddling, we can't have any of that, now look. We're also living in a grown up world. Will a strong statement, you know, President Obama supposedly made a strong statement, nobody heard it, what they did hear is the statement he made to Putin's very close friend. And that statement was not acceptable. Didn't get very much play relatively speaking. But that statement was not acceptable. But I let him know we can't have this, we're not going to have it, and that's the way it's going to be.
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I don't envy those tasked with transcribing that mess.

:lol:

Of course we have only what he said (which was...um...), but he didn't once say "believe me" and because of that, I'm already a little more inclined to.
 
Liquid
I don't think the word hubris has applied to someone more than Donald Trump.

It's actually tiring to listen to his speeches or follow his gaffes and lunacy.
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Hubris? Sure. But I can't get over the feeling that this all some cosmic joke - that the single person in public life in the United States least suitable to be President was elected, in the expectation that somehow, for some unknown reason, he would turn out to be quite different from the person he had been his entire life ... & then when that is repeatedly shown to be a false hope, a certain section of the population continues to believe that his dimwittedness & ignorance is actually evidence of some cunning master plan. :rolleyes:
 
Biggles
Hubris? Sure. But I can't get over the feeling that this all some cosmic joke - that the single person in public life in the United States least suitable to be President was elected, in the expectation that somehow, for some unknown reason, he would turn out to be quite different from the person he had been his entire life ... & then when that is repeatedly shown to be a false hope, a certain section of the population continues to believe that his dimwittedness & ignorance is actually evidence of some cunning master plan. :rolleyes:
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Well, some of us are rather anarchically conflating Forrest Gump with Being There and The Monkey Wrench Gang. :rolleyes: You're right, it is a joke, a cosmic one as you say. Bearing in mind the steady rebalancing of the Supreme Court; Two Questions: who (or what) is perpetrating the joke, and upon whom? Extra credit for using the term "memetics" in your punchline/answer.
 
Biggles
Hubris? Sure. But I can't get over the feeling that this all some cosmic joke - that the single person in public life in the United States least suitable to be President was elected, in the expectation that somehow, for some unknown reason, he would turn out to be quite different from the person he had been his entire life ... & then when that is repeatedly shown to be a false hope, a certain section of the population continues to believe that his dimwittedness & ignorance is actually evidence of some cunning master plan. :rolleyes:
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If I may direct your attention to Beeblebrox. Not @Beeblebrox237, but Zaphod Beeblebrox:
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
The President in particular is very much a figurehead — he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it. On those criteria Zaphod Beeblebrox is one of the most successful Presidents the Galaxy has ever had — he has already spent two of his ten presidential years in prison for fraud.
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https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Feds-East-Bay-man-spoke-of-plan-to-kill-11411258.php
An East Bay man indicted on terrorism-related charges last week told an undercover FBI agent he was planning to kill 10,000 people in the Bay Area with bombs and cocaine laced with rat poison before fleeing the country and joining the Islamic State, prosecutors said. Amer Alhaggagi, 22, met with an undercover agent twice, pointing out potential targets while discussing plans to bomb the UC Berkeley campus, Assistant U.S. Attorney S. Waqar Hasib told a federal judge in Oakland during a Dec. 14 hearing, according to an audio recording unsealed this week.
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You'd think his plans to bomb UC Berkeley would endear him to the alt-/far-right.
 
Rallywagon
Seems like our surveillance state is paying off...
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I dunno, it doesn't sound like he was being particularly surreptitious. LE can hardly ignore someone who is going around bragging about his genius plan to bomb 10,000 gays.
 
Imari
I dunno, it doesn't sound like he was being particularly surreptitious. LE can hardly ignore someone who is going around bragging about his genius plan to bomb 10,000 gays.
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It was a bit tongue in cheek. Im not particularly into giving up anonymity and freedom for the sake of "security."
 
baldgye
Fixed that haha

I'm from the UK, Europe isn't any different as far as governments laughing over privacy laws
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Yeah, but you guys have a history of oppressive governments. The US was supposed to be different. We were the gold standard of freedom and personal rights, then Kennedy was shot and everything went down hill from there.
 
baldgye
That's too bad, it's not a decision any of us get to really make any more.
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To a certain extent. You're able to still have anonymity, but it means giving up an awful lot of what's good about modern society. You can have anonymity and what's good about modern society, but it can be a lot of work.

Realistically, I'm not sure it was ever that much of a choice the public got to make. It's just that for a while the public lived in such a fashion that actual surveillance and control was quite difficult in a lot of countries. Governments seem to pretty universally go for as much surveillance as they can, whether it be for good reasons or not.
 
Famine
If I may direct your attention to Beeblebrox. Not @Beeblebrox237, but Zaphod Beeblebrox:
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The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarise: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarise the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
To summarise the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
 
Gunman in parking space shooting not charged because of 'Stand Your Ground' law

I get the purpose of the law...but if this guy isn't charged with something...wow. Having grown up in rural Texas, I know there are absolutely people with the mentality of "oh man, wouldn't it be great if I got to shoot somebody today!" when they leave the house with their concealed-carry. I'd bet this guy is one of them. It's like the flipside of the reactionary "offended-by-everything and I wanna make a lot of noise about it" millennial....the reactionary gun-toting moron who needs just enough plausible deniability (he pushed me, and I was scared!!) to actually murder somebody.
 
After occasionally posting in various topics trying to explain an european POV about political subjects I always end up trying to be put down by a probably right-wing american. I know this site is american, but it seems most american members active in these topics seem conservative or am i wrong in that assesment?
 
PocketZeven
After occasionally posting in various topics trying to explain an european POV about political subjects I always end up trying to be put down by a probably right-wing american. I know this site is american, but it seems most american members active in these topics seem conservative or am i wrong in that assesment?
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I'd say it's about half and half. It's just that there's some very vocal right-wingers. There's a few very vocal left-wingers too, but depending on where you look you may not see them.
 
PocketZeven
After occasionally posting in various topics trying to explain an european POV about political subjects I always end up trying to be put down by a probably right-wing american. I know this site is american, but it seems most american members active in these topics seem conservative or am i wrong in that assesment?
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From my understanding (as a European) the American political centre is slightly to the right of what Europeans would call the centre. So even generally left leaning Americans might seem more rightwing than left to a left leaning European.
 
baldgye
From my understanding (as a European) the American political centre is slightly to the right of what Europeans would call the centre. So even generally left leaning Americans might seem more rightwing than left to a left leaning European.
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That seems to be my impression as well, from the other side of the pond.
 
Imari
I'd say it's about half and half. It's just that there's some very vocal right-wingers. There's a few very vocal left-wingers too, but depending on where you look you may not see them.
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Havent met a left wing american yet on this forum. But boy are some on this forum protective about their 2nd amendment. After trying to watch Fox news on youtube I now understand the unique view right wing americans seem to have. Its probably because of the 2 part system. You are always forced to be for or against, an enemy or ally. Republican vs Democrat.

I am happy that in most countries in europe we have multi party systems were virtually no one party can govern without a coalition. Although not perfect it just gives you more freedom to develop your own political views and opinions. In america it is like if its always do or die. There is very little room for compromise.

baldgye
From my understanding (as a European) the American political centre is slightly to the right of what Europeans would call the centre. So even generally left leaning Americans might seem more rightwing than left to a left leaning European.
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It just seems there is no centre in the US. It always about right and left.

In europe I am considered centre-right, but in the US I would be a Leftwing socialist.
 
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