America - The Official Thread

[Dotini]

I am sceptical that trump deserves full credit for the economy. If you look at the data it just seems inaccurate how much credit trump takes for someone else’s work.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-checking-donald-trumps-points-about-economy/

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/6467...t-for-the-booming-u-s-economy?t=1541327524710

It is amazing how so many Americans still support someone who lies about simple and important and even everyday facts and truths and literally keeps misleading his following with blatant lies.

I have not been able to confirm the high approval rating among black Americans by other reports or polls. The only source repeating this claim is Breitbart, which is an even more misleading source then fox.

It is not necessary that Trump had anything to do with the current economic bonanza, but merely that he be in the seat. He automagically basks in the reflected glory and accrues political credit. It's all psychology.

Americans and everyone else on the planet would at least occasionally prefer to believe a beautiful, useful and necessary lie in preference to dwelling upon an ugly truth. We all need faith and belief in ourselves and our system to keep up the hard work.

With most, including blacks, flush with money from gainful employment, the last thing they want to do is end the good times by voting in revolutionary communists who would tax and regulate away the booming economy.

These are just my suspicions. Come Election Day, we will see what people actually do with their votes.

 

[PocketZeven]

It is not necessary that Trump had anything to do with the current economic bonanza, but merely that he be in the seat. He automagically basks in the reflected glory and accrues political credit. It's all psychology.

Americans and everyone else on the planet would at least occasionally prefer to believe a beautiful, useful and necessary lie in preference to dwelling upon an ugly truth. We all need faith and belief in ourselves and our system to keep up the hard work.

With most, including blacks, flush with money from gainful employment, the last thing they want to do is end the good times by voting in revolutionary communists who would tax and regulate away the booming economy.

These are just my suspicions. Come Election Day, we will see what people actually do with their votes.

I see you are commenting from a neutral standpoint. I misunderstood that you were giving him too much credit.

 

[TexRex]

I have not been able to confirm the high approval rating among black Americans by other reports or polls.

I believe 36% of Kanye approves of Trump.

 

[Blitz24]

I believe 36% of Kanye approves of Trump.

Indeed, whichever 36% isn't being chastised by his wife.

 

[TexRex]

Indeed, whichever 36% isn't being chastised by his wife.

I think one need not even suggest any sort of external conflict--just look at that ridiculous White House meeting and the way he was repeatedly interrupting himself.

 

[Blitz24]

I think one need not even suggest any sort of external conflict--just look at that ridiculous White House meeting and the way he was repeatedly interrupting himself.

Pandering to the masses. One of his personalities.

 

[UKMikey]

Pandering to the masses. One of his personalities.

Two of his personalities if he was interrupting himself. Could this be the first US president with DID?

 

[Blitz24]

Two of his personalities if he was interrupting himself. Could this be the first US president with DID?

Nah, one of his personalities will be involved in a scandal that nullifies the popularism of his other personality. The third one will just sit at home and eat ice cream.

 

[Liquid]

Indeed, whichever 36% isn't being chastised by his wife.

Or concerned at the drop in licenced merch sales.

 

[PocketZeven]

I really wonder if moderate republicans are really buying into this caravan invasion nonsense? They are pushing the narrative that it seems like WW3 is going to happen. Trump is even saying he will instruct the military to consider stonethrowing the same as using fireweapons?!?! Is this reality?

The usa has 600 billion dollar defense budget. Does it really need to be scared of an "invasion" of a few thousand unarmed asylum seekers that walked thousands of miles? They make it seem they are going to spread start robbing, killing and raping as soon as they manage to cross the border. I hardly think criminals will walk that distance just to rob, kill and rape americans.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I really wonder if moderate republicans are really buying into this caravan invasion nonsense? They are pushing the narrative that it seems like WW3 is going to happen. Trump is even saying he will instruct the military to consider stonethrowing the same as using fireweapons?!?! Is this reality?

The usa has 600 billion dollar defense budget. Does it really need to be scared of an "invasion" of a few thousand unarmed asylum seekers that walked thousands of miles? They make it seem they are going to spread start robbing, killing and raping as soon as they manage to cross the border. I hardly think criminals will walk that distance just to rob, kill and rape americans.

What would you do about it (the caravan)?

 

[ryzno]

What would you do about it (the caravan)?

Let them in and probably give all of them citizenship.
He also forgot how they literally ripped down Mexico's border wall and threw rocks at the police and military.
A real peaceful group...

 

[TetsuKobura]

I know that SNL makes fun of everyone regardless of background, but Pete Davidson went a little too far. Thankfully, Crenshaw had a classy, but firm response.

 

[PocketZeven]

What would you do about it (the caravan)?

If these people will ask for asylum legally, then probably like any other asylum seekers. Receive them, give some food, temporary place to stay, review their case, catogarise them and if their application is denied, send them back to their country.

Sending the military to block their right to apply for asylum is in violation of international and federal law. But Trump apparantly has its own set of laws and keeps lying about the reality. The caravan might have criminals among them, but there are also real refugees that are in danger. You cant just deny a group because their "might"be criminals among them. Isnt it better to find out first, before making accusations?

And even if they enter illegally, Trump followers are being lied to very blatantly. Trump about catch and release:

"we have a country where if they step one foot — not two feet — if one foot hits our country, we have to take those people gently, register them, and then release them. Okay? We’re going to release them, essentially, in a short period of time. So we release them. And then they’re supposed to come for a court case. [...] We release them. They go someplace into our country. They’re supposed to come back within two or three years for a court case, but nobody ever comes back."

That isnt accurate. The majority do appear at court (at least 60-75%) and a lot of them that dont, is because of bureaucracy.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...ty-undocumented-immigrants-show-court-data-s/
https://cliniclegal.org/sites/default/files/Denied-a-Day-in-Court.pdf

Trump makes it seems as if that number is almost 0%. Dont you think the whole "invasion" narrative is a just strategy to scare voters to vote republicans based on lies and not facts?

Let them in and probably give all of them citizenship.
He also forgot how they literally ripped down Mexico's border wall and threw rocks at the police and military.
A real peaceful group...

I dont appreciate you answering a question directed at me with totally wrong assumptions. I find it offensive you presume I am some leftwing activist. In my country I am a moderate rightwing. Which is probably leftwing in american politics. And I take refugee asylum very seriously. It saves lives.

I never claimed they were peacefull or violent. But nonetheless there are international and federal laws already in place. Why scare people with an "invasion"? And supposedly middle easterners?

But apparantly you are buying the lie that democrats somehow these asylum seekers are coming to the USA to enter illegally and with the purpose to commit crimes. I guess you watched the incredibly inaccurate propaganda video?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-trumps-pants-fire-claim-democrats-let-cop-k/


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/nov/02/heres-latest-migrant-caravans/

edit: added response to @ryzno

 

[Joey D]

SNL hasn't been funny in years. But, watching that clip, I'm not sure I really understand the outrage people have over it. I'm not sure why veterans (or anyone for that matter) should be off-limits when it comes to comedy. If you don't like it, then don't watch it. If enough people quit watching over a remark like that, the network will change it since it affects its bottom line with ad dollars.

Crenshaw's remarks seem fair though since he was the subject of it. He also didn't seem out of line like some people do when others poke fun at them.

 

[mustafur]

Here is the Video for those who haven't seen it.

 

[TexRex]

And here it is sans narrative:

 

[ryzno]

If these people will ask for asylum legally, then probably like any other asylum seekers. Receive them, give some food, temporary place to stay, review their case, catogarise them and if their application is denied, send them back to their country.

They were offered asylum by Mexico, they are supposed to apply for asylum at the first country they arrive at which was Mexico. They have no legal leg to stand on if they try to apply for asylum here.

 

[mustafur]

SNL hasn't been funny in years. But, watching that clip, I'm not sure I really understand the outrage people have over it. I'm not sure why veterans (or anyone for that matter) should be off-limits when it comes to comedy. If you don't like it, then don't watch it. If enough people quit watching over a remark like that, the network will change it since it affects its bottom line with ad dollars.

Crenshaw's remarks seem fair though since he was the subject of it. He also didn't seem out of line like some people do when others poke fun at them.

Agree completely, I Can seen how Veterans can be angry about it, but that is not to say SNL shouldn't be allowed to say it, it's the public who are the ones that watch TV and decide if they like it or not.

 

[TexRex]

they are supposed to apply for asylum at the first country they arrive at

Source?

 

[PocketZeven]

They were offered asylum by Mexico, they are supposed to apply for asylum at the first country they arrive at which was Mexico. They have no legal leg to stand on if they try to apply for asylum here.

I am not aware of such a law. Please elaborate.

Also explain what threat this caravan is for you personally?

 

[ryzno]

I am not aware of such a law. Please elaborate.

Also explain what threat this caravan is for you personally?

My bad the article was about EU immigration.
What do I have to do with it? It's about the country as a whole.

 

[PocketZeven]

My bad the article was about EU immigration.
What do I have to do with it? It's about the country as a whole.

So you dont have a problem with the caravan? So why believe the Trump nonsense about them being criminals and the democrats wanting to handout citizenship?

 

[huskeR32]

What would you do about it (the caravan)?

If I were a Republican who has always said things like "I'm not racist, I'm only opposed to illegal immigration, I just want them to come here legally," then I'd be making sure I'm exemplifying that right about now.

 

[ryzno]

So you dont have a problem with the caravan? So why believe the Trump nonsense about them being criminals and the democrats wanting to handout citizenship?

Yes and no. If they want to sit at the border and wait for the system to process them no. If they think they are going to charge our border and force their way in they can do like Trump said and turn around.
Oh, our Democratic candidate for governor already said illegals will be part of her "blue wave". They are doing a good job of it themselves.

 

[PocketZeven]

Yes and no. If they want to sit at the border and wait for the system to process them no. If they think they are going to charge our border and force their way in they can do like Trump said and turn around.
Oh, our Democratic candidate for governor already said illegals will be part of her "blue wave". They are doing a good job of it themselves.

Interesting claim. Which governer of which state? Do you have a source for the claim?

edit: nevermind I found it. It seems more likely she misspoke since undocumented people cannot vote.

 

[ryzno]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...mised_of_the_documented_and_undocumented.html

Interesting claim. Which governer of which state? Do you have a source for the claim?

Georgia, Stacey Abrams. One of her ads.

 

[PocketZeven]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...mised_of_the_documented_and_undocumented.html
Georgia, Stacey Abrams. One of her ads.

Not in a ad, but in a campaign speech. I repeat, most likely a slip of the tongue. I suggest not to run to conclusions that she is encouraging undocumented people to illegally vote. I presume as an author and tax attorney she knows that undocumented people obviously can not vote.

 

[TexRex]

I presume as an author and tax attorney she knows that undocumented people obviously can not vote.

https://abc13.com/trump-takes-aim-at-stacey-abrams-during-georgia-campaign-rally-/4618313/

Trump also said Abrams "wants illegal aliens to vote," a common criticism of Abrams referencing a video that surfaced of her saying undocumented immigrants are part of the so-call "blue wave" of Democratic voters expected to vote in this year's elections.

Abrams refuted that accusation in an interview with ABC News' Deborah Roberts. "I know that the only people who are allowed to vote are eligible citizens," said Abrams.

Also on the topic of Georgia's governor race:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/05/6642...ces-election-hacking-charge-against-democrats

Just two days before facing Democrat Stacey Abrams in a closely watched race to be Georgia's next governor, the state's sitting Secretary of State Brian Kemp — who is also the Republican candidate — says his office has opened an investigation and also asked the FBI "to investigate potential cyber crimes committed by the Democratic Party of Georgia."

Kemp did not provide any evidence of any wrongdoing. In a highly unusual situation, Kemp is in the position of overseeing the election that will decide his state's highest office and has faced criticism over how it has been handled.

Yeah, I don't doubt he didn't provide any evidence. The timing is also rather suspicious, not only that it comes so close to election day, but...

It also came shortly after a federal judge ruled that Georgia must relax voting restrictions that could prevent more than 3,000 people from casting ballots in Tuesday's poll.

"Well that didn't work...what else can we do to win this thing?"

 

[PocketZeven]

https://abc13.com/trump-takes-aim-at-stacey-abrams-during-georgia-campaign-rally-/4618313/


Also on the topic of Georgia's governor race:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/05/6642...ces-election-hacking-charge-against-democrats


Yeah, I don't doubt he didn't provide any evidence. The timing is also rather suspicious, not only that it comes so close to election day, but...


"Well that didn't work...what else can we do to win this thing?"

And Trump's lying continues. Are there really so many american republicans who actually believe his lies or do they only put up with him, because they dislike democrats?

edit: seems like something out of Trump's playbook. (hillary email leak)