America - The Official Thread
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Dotini
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Probably the only realistic hope for indicting Trump for anything at all is now down to the district courts of New York looking into his financial dealings. Make no mistake, Trump is now in triumphal mode, and will try to milk this in any and every way, including investigating the investigators.
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If our putrid policies put off a majority of the country and make it very unlikely we'd ever win in a simple popular vote, then we seize upon an archaic, unnecessary system that was originally used as a way to placate the slaveholding states, and make up some story about it being "protection for the small states," and insist that it continue to be used for the rest of time because it's in the unchangeable (yet oft-changed) constitution!
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Dotini
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Likely Comey will be on the lists of investigations to come, so perhaps his firing will come to make more sense.
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Again, it is Trump trying to undermine the political, legal & constitutional fabric of the United States.
Before the 2016 election he was spouting off about a "rigged" election ... then he won the rigged election, to everyone's, including his, surprise. The fact that he didn't win the popular vote he had to explain by the "millions of illegals voting".
The investigation of Russian meddling in the election was down to the "Deep State" & was a "witch hunt" led by the corrupt FBI & Bob Miller ... then the corrupt Bob Miller exonerates him.
The Trumpies will see this as justifying their contempt for the political system, rather than an indication that the checks & balances in place may actually function as intended.
Before the 2016 election he was spouting off about a "rigged" election ... then he won the rigged election, to everyone's, including his, surprise. The fact that he didn't win the popular vote he had to explain by the "millions of illegals voting".
The investigation of Russian meddling in the election was down to the "Deep State" & was a "witch hunt" led by the corrupt FBI & Bob Miller ... then the corrupt Bob Miller exonerates him.
The Trumpies will see this as justifying their contempt for the political system, rather than an indication that the checks & balances in place may actually function as intended.
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Danoff
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That's not entirely true. It's just harder to prove. And crimes were committed anyway. You can obstruct justice for associates.
Dotini
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CNN and MSNBC will be coming up for considerable justified mockery. They may well have soiled the left's chances for 2020. Trump, in this moment of political triumph, will beat the media about the head and shoulders with this for at least the next few years, if not perpetuity. But the left will not repent, but double down with ever more House investigations, the moderates desperately trying to rein them back in the faint hopes of preserving 2020 victory chances.
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The Horseshoe theory is mildly fascinating, was reading about it recently. I don't think I agree with it, but it's still worth studying.
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Well, both the far right and far left want to control the lives of everyone by telling you what to think, feel, and do. So it does make some sense that they are closer than they appear on the surface. Plus, it seems like when you go the extreme end of things, people are all about the same level of mental.
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There is a member here who appeared so, referring to Mueller dropping bombs and the impeachment starting as soon as the investigation was done.
Otherwise yeah, a lot of people did. r/politics is a cesspool of people who rode the Mueller train and another forum I'm on has a thread called, "Mueller investigating Trump - Suck it Maggots".
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Time for justice and revenge?
Senator Graham, newly returned from golfing at Mar-a-Lago, announces his intent to officially investigate at a minimum the following: FISA warrant process, Steele dossier, Orr, Comey, Lynch, and Clinton emails on Weiner's laptop. Obama and Holder may also be in for a look.
Senator Graham, newly returned from golfing at Mar-a-Lago, announces his intent to officially investigate at a minimum the following: FISA warrant process, Steele dossier, Orr, Comey, Lynch, and Clinton emails on Weiner's laptop. Obama and Holder may also be in for a look.
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Or maybe it's just a whole lot of smoke being blown up their base's backsides. I don't doubt there are plenty out there who opposed Mueller's investigation and cited the cost who have suddenly forgotten those concerns.
Maybe...just maybe...like Mueller, it'll bear actual fruit. I have little doubt warrant acquisition processes are flawed in a way that invites abuses. Surely they're not so petty that they'd disregard abuses solely on the basis that they don't pertain to Trump, right? Right?
Or maybe it's just a whole lot of smoke being blown up their base's backsides. I don't doubt there are plenty out there who opposed Mueller's investigation and cited the cost who have suddenly forgotten those concerns.
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I didn't think this was possible, but I have a feeling things are going to get much uglier from now until fall 2020 and possibly beyond.
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Lindsey Graham but it's not exclusively him that does this, it's rampant on both sides.
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As sad as it is, it's just how the US Gov't has treated itself as of late. There have been few things done for the country that positively affects everyone (the citizens) that I can remotely think of... Actually, I can't think of one that personally stands out so bright that I'm able to remember it myself. It's just who is continually elected and who can make the other look like a complete ass.
I'll never understand the mindset of people who continue to re-elect people like Chuck, Nancy, Lindsey, Mitch, and others who prefer to be in the spotlight about defaming someone else, more-so than ensuring that the country is in a healthy mindset. Career politicians are a joke in my opinion. While it's nice to have tenure and experience, it's another to be a power-obsessed, self-absorbed wreck in control of a very responsible position to the world.
I'll never understand the mindset of people who continue to re-elect people like Chuck, Nancy, Lindsey, Mitch, and others who prefer to be in the spotlight about defaming someone else, more-so than ensuring that the country is in a healthy mindset. Career politicians are a joke in my opinion. While it's nice to have tenure and experience, it's another to be a power-obsessed, self-absorbed wreck in control of a very responsible position to the world.
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Donald Trump Jr. interview.
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Now we have a rough idea of the actual cost of The Wall: $1bn for 57 miles, and that's using Army engineers who are very likely a) more efficient than private contractors b) billing their hours to a separate budget.
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So at 1,954 miles long, the total cost to build the wall along the border is about $35 billion assuming the number stay constant. Obviously, it won't because the government needs to steal...errr buy land from people at a reasonable market value and I'm sure some of the more remote sections will clock in significantly higher.
Also, I disagree with the army engineers being more efficient. They have zero incentive to move quickly, whereas a private contractor typically gets a bonus if they completely ahead of schedule and under budget. Private contractors are also in the business of making money, so they will waste less material and try to complete the job ASAP so they can move onto the next one.
The Corps of Engineers also has a spotty track record too. Its negligence contributed to the levees breaching in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina.
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Fair point, although from my experience of private contractors on government projects the tenders are low but the overspends are high. I was kind of thinking that the Army wouldn't be billing manhours, overtime etc. to the project budget but to their existing Defence wages budget. If that's the case (and obviously I have no idea of how this project is to be managed/billed) then the time taken shouldn't be a big factor in the project costing.
Also agreed, I had that in mind but how hard can it be to build a wall? Famous last words...
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Also agreed, I had that in mind but how hard can it be to build a wall? Famous last words...
Actually the Chinese did a fair job of it a while back. I doubt if we could use the same techniques today though.
