America - The Official Thread

[TenEightyOne]

Allowing businesses to pay a below living wage does wonders for the unemployment rate.

By definition it doesn't do much for living though.

 

[PocketZeven]

By definition it doesn't do much for living though.

Yep exactly the detail Trump likes to exclude claiming historical low unemployment.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I mean the Democrats have just about every reason to talk up his testimony, and we all know how the media likes to add emphasis...but even still, it seems like Bill Taylor's big day might be a big deal.

 

[Danoff]

He has literally said it he could commit a felony in broad daylight and in public and he wouldnt lose a vote. That is how emboldened, wreckless and narcissistic he is.

Confirmed, it was not a joke. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/23/trump-tax-return-subpoena-case-argued-in-federal-appeals-court.html

 

[Liquid]

Consovoy argued that the subpoena is invalid because a president, while in office, is immune not only from federal prosecution, as the Justice Department has said, but also cannot be legally prosecuted or even criminally investigated by any law enforcement agency, be it federal or state.

So Nixon was right; when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal.

Considering that it's from Trump's personal lawyer, I'll take the claim with a pinch of salt although I'd like to know where it says in the Constitution that a sitting President is immune from prosecution and therefore above the law whilst in office.

 

[Danoff]

So Nixon was right; when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal.

Considering that it's from Trump's personal lawyer, I'll take the claim with a pinch of salt although I'd like to know where it says in the Constitution that a sitting President is immune from prosecution and therefore above the law whilst in office.

Well certainly we know that the President is not immune from investigation and prosecution by congress while in office. I wonder if that's really it though. This is why I'm so hot on the notion that it is congress's duty to investigate and if necessary "convict". Because they're the only ones that clearly can.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

How does this stack up with other world leaders? I believe the Supreme Leader of Iran is in the absolute immunity club. Trump keeps good company.

 

[Liquid]

How does this stack up with other world leaders? I believe the Supreme Leader of Iran is in the absolute immunity club. Trump keeps good company.

Prosecutions in the United Kingdom are done explicitly in the name of The Crown (i.e. the reigning Monarch) and therefore the Monarch is not subject to legal indictment given that the law is in her name and state insitutions are also in her name.

 

[Rallywagon]

We are building a wall in Colorado now? He said we are building a wall on the border of NM. Does that mean NM is getting walled in? Man, the bad luck of having Mexico in your state name with a president like this....

 

[Zona]

With everything that's going on in the White House and US international relations right now, I do not know how people can still support 45 and the GOP.

 

[UKMikey]

We are building a wall in Colorado now? He said we are building a wall on the border of NM. Does that mean NM is getting walled in? Man, the bad luck of having Mexico in your state name with a president like this....

Perhaps he has a map with the border redrawn in black Sharpie?

 

[Northstar]

With everything that's going on in the White House and US international relations right now, I do not know how people can still support 45 and the GOP.

Well when the only other real option consistently calls you a racist or sexist for simply being born a certain color and sex the choice is a little easier to understand.

 

[Dennisch]

Well when the only other real option consistently calls you a racist or sexist for simply being born a certain color and sex the choice is a little easier to understand.

That's offensive.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

With everything that's going on in the White House and US international relations right now, I do not know how people can still support 45 and the GOP.

The green new deal, oh and this.

 

[Rallywagon]

The green new deal, oh and this.

What does any of that have to do with supporting Trump? Can republicans not find a decent candidate, so you have to revert to pointing out Democrats as a scape goat?

 

[PocketZeven]

The green new deal, oh and this.

Not supporting Trump, doesnt mean you are for democrats or even against republicans.

Trump did a good job brainwashing the party and his followers that any enemy of his, is an enemy to all conservatives or republicans. That notion is idiotic.

 

[ryzno]

Trump did a good job brainwashing the party and his followers that any enemy of his, is an enemy to all conservatives or republicans.

The same could be said for someone else... but hey one can't point out Democratic party faults right?
Anywho...

 

[mustafur]

The same could be said for someone else... but hey one can't point out Democratic party faults right?
Anywho...

Guess when they did the Benghazi investigation they didn't also do this..

Oh Wait...

Grandstanding over nonsense they also did.

 

[PocketZeven]

The same could be said for someone else... but hey one can't point out Democratic party faults right?
Anywho...

Remember I am politically a centrist-right.

The democratic party definately has its faults but they arent defending an individual that has:
- Enriched himself during office
- Payed hush money to keep pornstar quiet during pre-campaign
- obstructed justice multiple times
- blocked witnesses (even though he says he is innocent)
- indirectly started a massacre of kurdish allies, by singlehandedly deciding to pull back US Troops
- Trump has made at least 12.000 false claims during office
- asked ukraine to investigate a political opponent
- knew about russian meddling, but did nothing to report or stop it.
etc.

 

[Rallywagon]

Remember I am politically a centrist-right.

The democratic party definately has its faults but they arent defending an individual that has:
- Enriched himself during office
- Payed hush money to keep pornstar quiet during pre-campaign
- obstructed justice multiple times
- blocked witnesses (even though he says he is innocent)
- indirectly started a massacre of kurdish allies, by singlehandedly deciding to pull back US Troops
- Trump has made at least 12.000 false claims during office
- asked ukraine to investigate a political opponent
- knew about russian meddling, but did nothing to report or stop it.
etc.

To be fair, what you are in your country isnt what you are, politically speaking, in a different country, so claiming your centrist right might mean something when you are talking to your Netherland friends about politics in the Netherlands, but doesnt mean much when talking to an American about American politics.

 

[PocketZeven]

To be fair, what you are in your country isnt what you are, politically speaking, in a different country, so claiming your centrist right might mean something when you are talking to your Netherland friends about politics in the Netherlands, but doesnt mean much when talking to an American about American politics.

I agree. But apparantly it seems a lot like I am a democrat supporter or even an anti-republican. Which I am definately not. I am an Anti-Trumper though.

edit: The problem is a popular defence I receive is: "What about this democrat?" Even though I am not a democrat. The defense doesnt make sense even though I used to get baited in answering.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I agree. But apparantly it seems a lot like I am a democrat supporter or even an anti-republican. Which I am definately not. I am an Anti-Trumper though.

Go on then.

 

[Biggles]

The thing about Trump, is he seems to appeal strongly to people with an authoritarian inclination. This makes him anathema to libertarians as well as leftists. What seems apparent is the GOP under Trump doesn't even make a pretence of identifying with libertarian values any more.

 

[PocketZeven]

Go on then.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...e-pop-quiz-in-op.288475/page-15#post-12843753

did it already.

In my country I support the largest “rightwing” party. Which would probably still be considered left in the USA.

 

[TenEightyOne]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...e-pop-quiz-in-op.288475/page-15#post-12843753

did it already.

In my country I support the largest “rightwing” party. Which would probably still be considered left in the USA.

Remember I am politically a centrist-right.

So you did. And looks as if there's some peculiar sort of denial going on. Your answers, if they were honest, don't make you centrist-right.

 

[PocketZeven]

So you did. And looks as if there's some peculiar sort of denial going on. Your answers, if they were honest, don't make you centrist-right.

Perhaps, but I already mentioned that I am considered centre-right in my country and admitted this probably is considered left in the USA (see my post) . Why accuse me of denial?

Compared to the US centre in europe is left in the US I think. But that does not mean I support the democrats. Unlike the US, politics everywhere else is not between left/right or red/blue, there is much more in between.

Me criticizing Trump does not mean I support democrats and visa versa.

edit:

I support V.V.D and it is considered "right" in the Netherlands

edit 2: i found this on reddit which somewhat explains the difference in polarizing politics between europe and USA

 

[TenEightyOne]

Perhaps, but I already mentioned that I am considered centre-right in my country and admitted this probably is considered left in the USA (see my post) . Why accuse me of denial?

You didn't mention the important part: you were talking about your position relative to politics in your own country rather than on a global spectrum. Which country are you in? You're rather to the left on the global spectrum, so you must be in an extra-ordinarily left wing country to be right of centre there.

 

[PocketZeven]

You didn't mention the important part: you were talking about your position relative to politics in your own country rather than on a global spectrum. Which country are you in? You're rather to the left on the global spectrum, so you must be in an extra-ordinarily left wing country to be right of centre there.

Netherlands. I mentioned it and you quoted it actually.

You should actually say it differently. The USA is rather rightwing in the global political spectrum. Americans do tend to think that somehow america is the standard?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Netherlands. I mentioned it and you quoted it actually.

So not that left wing. Your position on the political compass was left of centre. That doesn't make you right of centre in Dutch politics.

The USA is rather rightwing in the global political spectrum. Americans do tend to think that somehow america is the standard?

The USA is indeed rather rightwing, some Americans think their politics is the global standard but, as this thread and forum shows, many don't. That could be equally said of the residents of many countries.

 

[PocketZeven]

So not that left wing. Your position on the political compass was left of centre. That doesn't make you right of centre in Dutch politics.



The USA is indeed rather rightwing, some Americans think their politics is the global standard but, as this thread and forum shows, many don't. That could be equally said of the residents of many countries.

I vote right in my country. So that would make me right or am I wrong? I am not so sure if that questionaire accurately depicts global politics though. For example pro-choice/life, gunregulation can hardly be called rightwing politics. Most rightwing politics in europe do support pro-choice and gun regulations. It is on another space in our political spectrum.

That said, even if you consider me leftwing, that does not automatically make me a supporter of everything democrats do.