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I'm looking forward to the howls of pain from the lunatic fringes of the Deep South when he moves into the White House.
It should be noted that Kanye has missed the qualifying deadlines for declaring as a candidate in many states (and thus would not be listed on their ballots), has not filed any paperwork with the Federal Election Commission regarding a campaign organization and by and large has nothing but a tweet to show his intent.

Right now the theory seems to be that since he's been a big Trump supporter, he's actually making an attempt to steal votes away from Biden to ensure Trump wins again*. But then again Kanye does whatever the hell he thinks will get him the most media exposure, so who even knows if that's true.

*and yes, the American political system is so bass-ackwards things like this do happen.
 
But then again Kanye does whatever the hell he thinks will get him the most media exposure
He's more about money than exposure. Trump helped his clothing line sales go way up in the last four years so he wants four more years of that. He doesn't care about anything else but profits.
 
...celebrating America in any manner you see fit is entirely permissible provided you don't violate any laws to do so.
https://www.wfxrtv.com/news/regiona...elebratory-gunfire-north-carolina-police-say/

DURHAM, N.C. (WNCN/WFXR) – Authorities say an elderly woman in North Carolina died after she was struck by celebratory gunfire on Fourth of July.

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“Last night as people throughout Durham peacefully celebrated the July 4th holiday with their friends and family, a small few chose to put our community at risk by carelessly firing guns into the air. This reckless behavior led to the tragic death of Ms. Paulette Thorpe. Ms. Thorpe’s death reminds us that we as a community must work together to prevent these senseless acts, so that no family suffers such a tragedy ever again,” said Durham Police Chief Cerelyn Davis
 
I lived in Tracy California for a bit in '89. I remember a Honda commercial that was running at the time.
It showed lawmakers in Southern CA getting into their giant, gas guzzling American cars and leaving smoggy LA, heading to Sacramento (the capitol).
Then it showed Northern CA lawmakers leaving clear skied San Francisco and the beautiful wooded Northern CA.
Then it just showed how much easier it was to park a little car than a land yacht.

The point is, that SoCal, back then was much more conservative than NorCal.

LA tonight.



Of all places, how did you end up in Tracy?

Honest question: Is your implication that revelers violating city mandates to celebrate fourth of July reveals that...SoCal is less conservative than before? Or that it has become less conservative than NorCal in some way? Or is it an observation unrelated to fireworks. As a NorCal resident, I'd say SoCal is definitely still more conservative than NorCal - Yes, LA proper is pretty liberal, but Orange County, San Diego, and many of the outlying suburbs of LA lean to the right...regardless of whether they support DT or not (an important distinction).

SF + Oakland, saturday night - for reference:
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Truthfully, I think people just really like fireworks and trying to extract any sort of meaningful message about their illegal use beyond that is fruitless, IMO.

Of course, this has become Oakland almost every night lately. I wish people would stop, there have already been a ton of fires related to fireworks...

Fire officials say illegal July 4th fireworks spark more than 100 fires in Bay Area

Edit: Based on youtube comments it seems like there is a consensus from the right that illegal fireworks displays in California are some kind of display of resistance against Gov. Newsom. Just to be clear, this happens every year in San Francisco and Oakland (and I'm sure LA) regardless of whether not official fireworks go up. This must be being drummed up by OANN...
 
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Can you please stop with posts like this that accomplish nothing? Please?
Thanks for using the term "please". People are seldom so polite.

I ask the question because I encountered it in my morning news. It is under discussion in the national media due to nationwide protests which are effective and successful in many ways. The basis of the question is the open implication that white supremacy was baked into the United States from the beginning. I presume this was basically the institution of slavery, but perhaps it's more than just that. It's unclear to me that the founding of the United States was wrong because the institution of slavery was prevalent at the time.
 
Of course, this has become Oakland almost every night lately. I wish people would stop, there have already been a ton of fires related to fireworks...
Since you hate America so much, you should just leave.

/s
 
Thanks for using the term "please". People are seldom so polite.

I ask the question because I encountered it in my morning news. It is under discussion in the national media due to nationwide protests which are effective and successful in many ways. The basis of the question is the open implication that white supremacy was baked into the United States from the beginning. I presume this was basically the institution of slavery, but perhaps it's more than just that. It's unclear to me that the founding of the United States was wrong because the institution of slavery was prevalent at the time.

This is really important context for the question. "Is there something fundamentally wrong" is not nearly as clear as "The basis of the question is the open implication that white supremacy was baked into the United States from the beginning" and "It's unclear to me that the founding of the United States was wrong because the institution of slavery was prevalent at the time". This makes the question much clearer.
 
This is really important context for the question. "Is there something fundamentally wrong" is not nearly as clear as "The basis of the question is the open implication that white supremacy was baked into the United States from the beginning" and "It's unclear to me that the founding of the United States was wrong because the institution of slavery was prevalent at the time". This makes the question much clearer.
And less click-baity. Also, I've been polite to you every time you do something like this.
 
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He's more about money than exposure. Trump helped his clothing line sales go way up in the last four years so he wants four more years of that. He doesn't care about anything else but profits.
True, but publicity can = profits (unless you're robbing a bank or something like that) and getting the attention of the global press is one damn fine promotional campaign. Didn't even cost him anything to set up either, since they're guaranteed to latch onto anything election-related for the next few months.

That said, given the hurdles that have to be jumped to be officially recognized on a state's voting ballot and the short amount of places and time left to make it happen, I can't really see it going too much farther. Now that 2024 campaign he was banging on about a while back, maybe that's a different story.
 
Of all places, how did you end up in Tracy?
I got out of the Army in '89. My 10 year older brother lived there with his family. He worked in Pleasanton. I don't remember exactly how long I lived there, but I was there for the big San Francisco earthquake, and it rained one time while I was there, and the brown dead weed hills came alive with the most beautiful wild flowers I have ever seen in my life. Driving through the Altamont Pass on the 580, was just stunning.

Honest question: Is your implication that revelers violating city mandates to celebrate fourth of July reveals that...SoCal is less conservative than before?
Yes and no, I am sure SoCal it is less conservative than it was in 1989, But I still think it is more conservative than NorCal.
I tend to agree with the YouTube comments that it was a poke in the eye to state and local government. But I hadn't seen the bay area video, so now I don't know.


Here is a true or false quiz about Columbus.

 
I got out of the Army in '89. My 10 year older brother lived there with his family. He worked in Pleasanton. I don't remember exactly how long I lived there, but I was there for the big San Francisco earthquake, and it rained one time while I was there, and the brown dead weed hills came alive with the most beautiful wild flowers I have ever seen in my life. Driving through the Altamont Pass on the 580, was just stunning.

First time I ever drove into the bay area (after accepting a job here and driving from Michigan via Texas) was via Altamont pass in late spring. Probably wasn't as lush, but was still stunning.

Yes and no, I am sure SoCal it is less conservative than it was in 1989, But I still think it is more conservative than NorCal.
I tend to agree with the YouTube comments that it was a poke in the eye to state and local government. But I hadn't seen the bay area video, so now I don't know.


Here is a true or false quiz about Columbus.



I think you're overestimating the political nature of the fireworks. I actually agree, somewhat, that it's a poke in the eye to (mostly local) government but it's not to make some statement about 4th of July being "cancelled." If I were to guess, based on the specific locations mentioned in the Bay Area, it's not dissimilar to side shows. I hardly think sideshows or fireworks are any rigorous political statement beyond "I want to cause a little trouble" a perennial past time of Oakland especially. Harmless fun with a chance of property damage. Maybe a light shooting or two.



I can almost promise you the overlap between sideshow participants and illegal fireworks users is near 100%. I can't speak for LA, but I'm just trying to give you context for the Bay Area. Somewhere I have photos from the aftermath of 4th of July (taken 5th of July) in the Mission district of San Francisco from 2014 (I think) - it's wild how many illegal fireworks make their way into the city. :lol:

edit: Found them! Can confirm it was 2014

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@Eunos_Cosmo Here is Chicago that night. The police are trying to hold a press conference about 7 year old girl getting shot. I think it is fair to say that shooting off fireworks has nothing to do with your politics.

 
We had a 8 year old girl get shot the other night at the Wendy's that was in the news we were talking about here. The city is cleaning up the memorial and removing the barricades at the Wendy's after the little girl got shot.
 
I mean India already banned TikTok so they're probably just following suit. Tbf it will be a good thing if TikTok gets banned.
India is no stranger to shutting down platforms for speech on the internet. Shouldn't people be able to decide for themselves if they want to keep using one of those platforms?

The Trump administration is purported to be doing away with regulations, but I have the nagging suspicion that only applies to industries where Trump himself and his cronies have an opportunity to make money with said deregulation.
 
Based on this guy's post 2 months ago about reverse engineering the app, it might be for the best.

TikTok is a data collection service that is thinly-veiled as a social network.
So just like every other social media network, except it's newer and most popular with younger people so the crusty oldsters in government halls can deploy the "think of the children!" excuse to go after it.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't shed a tear if social media in general just fell into a volcano. But this kind of feels like trying to get Smashburger banned for being too unhealthy while not acknowledging there's a McDonalds on every third street corner with a dozen health code violation papers stuck to the front doors.
 
So just like every other social media network, except it's newer and most popular with younger people so the crusty oldsters in government halls can deploy the "think of the children!" excuse to go after it.

Or google disguised as a search engine, or the smart tv disguised as a TV
 
So just like every other social media network

u/bangorlol
For what it's worth I've reversed the Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter apps. They don't collect anywhere near the same amount of data that TikTok does, and they sure as hell aren't outright trying to hide exactly whats being sent like TikTok is. It's like comparing a cup of water to the ocean - they just don't compare.
 
I would argue that Facebook was far worse before it was outed in the Cambridge Analytics scandal, but there's no putting that djinn back in its lamp.

Also, keep in mind that the main drive behind banning Tiktok isn't about its data collection practices, but because it's Chinese owned.
 
Yes and no, I am sure SoCal it is less conservative than it was in 1989, But I still think it is more conservative than NorCal.

I think you're strictly basing this opinion on the major cities, and in particular, San Francisco's long-standing reputation as a very liberal city. Northern California also has a lot of rural areas and small towns that, to my understanding, contain a lot of the same types of people you'd encounter in, say, Eastern Oregon or Idaho - anti-government folks, possibly given to militia activity.
 
Also, keep in mind that the main drive behind banning Tiktok isn't about its data collection practices, but because it's Chinese owned.
So is more than $1T of the national debt, but that doesn't keep the United States government from spending money that it doesn't have.

I didn't have the slightest idea what TikTok was, beyond a social media platform, until the news provided a brief explanation following the concerted effort of users to impact Trump rally attendance. I still don't fully grasp it, much less its appeal.

I don't do social media beyond minor platforms like message boards such as this one. Twitter is a cesspit that has recently garnered the tiniest bit of respect from me by taking action against disinformation, and the only reason I signed up on YouTube was so that I'd have more ready access to the sort of content I'm interested in; I still haven't been sufficiently compelled to comment on a video that I'm willing to create a channel, and I'd wager I never will be.

Still, I think people should be able to decide, like I have, which platforms they wish to use or not use. If you don't approve of it in any way, it should be your choice to distance yourself from it.

Now...what's Tumblr?
 
Still, I think people should be able to decide, like I have, which platforms they wish to use or not use. If you don't approve of it in any way, it should be your choice to distance yourself from it.

Which I agree with, and which is why this is a sticking point for me right now. All banning Tiktok will really do is provide an easy "win" for people who only care about keeping their jobs after November, and do nothing to address one of the longest underlying problems with social media, namely the rampant collection and misuse of users' personal data and the general lack of transparency surrounding it.
Now...what's Tumblr?
Mostly dead after a disastrous attempt to let a poorly trained AI try to remove all the porn on it, and making most of the legitimate users leave after their years of posts got censored or deleted erroneously.

Ain't technology grand?
 
Mostly dead after a disastrous attempt to let a poorly trained AI try to remove all the porn on it, and making most of the legitimate users leave after their years of posts got censored or deleted erroneously.

Ain't technology grand?
:lol:

Thanks, but that was rhetorical.
 
I think you're strictly basing this opinion on the major cities, and in particular, San Francisco's long-standing reputation as a very liberal city. Northern California also has a lot of rural areas and small towns that, to my understanding, contain a lot of the same types of people you'd encounter in, say, Eastern Oregon or Idaho - anti-government folks, possibly given to militia activity.

Right. NorCal is a big area. The Bay Area I think is often associated with the term NorCal but you only have to get as far north as Petaluma to start seeing more conservative folks. The coast up and down I think remains fairly moderate, right or left. The east side of the state though...I remember seeing a lot of promotional material for creation of the State of Jefferson when I was exploring the area around Colfax, CA a few years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if their was active militia presence out there.
 
Supreme Court upholds NY prosecutors' access to Trump's tax returns, rebuffs Congress

The Supreme Court in a split decision on Thursday sided with New York state prosecutors seeking President Trump's tax returns, even as it shielded a trove of his financial records from Congress.

The justices upheld a Manhattan district attorney subpoena for eight years of Trump's financial documents, including his personal and corporate tax returns. But they declined to grant Congress access to records subpoenaed by a trio of Democratic-led House committees.

Both cases were decided by a 7-2 vote.

The ruling in the New York dispute makes it more likely that Trump's tax returns are eventually made public, though it's unclear if they would be disclosed before the November general election. More fundamentally, the decision flatly rejects Trump's argument that a sitting president enjoys absolute immunity from investigations.

"In our judicial system, 'the public has a right to every man's evidence,'" Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the majority. "Since the earliest days of the Republic, 'every man' has included the President of the United States."

Roberts' opinion siding with New York prosecutors was joined by the court's liberal wing, as well as Trump's two nominees, Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh. The decision hands a defeat to Trump, though he may raise additional objections about the details of the subpoena.

In the second case, the court's decision not to enforce the congressional subpoenas means that Congress, for now, will not have access to materials the committees said they needed in order to assess the adequacy of current laws covering everything from ethics to money laundering, and to probe the susceptibility of U.S. elections to foreign interference.

Trump's tax returns and financial records have been closely watched since his 2016 presidential campaign. He is the first president in decades to refuse to make any of his tax returns public, noting that he is under audit, though the IRS has said that does not prevent Trump from voluntary disclosure.

The New York case arose after Cyrus Vance Jr., the Democratic district attorney for Manhattan, obtained a grand jury subpoena for Trump's accounting firm, Mazars USA.

Vance's office is looking into payments made to silence two women who allege they had affairs with Trump, including adult-film star Stormy Daniels, before he became president.

Trump's former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen is serving a prison term in part for his role in the payoff scheme, which violated campaign finance laws and which Cohen said he conducted at the direction of Trump to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Trump has denied any wrongdoing and his private attorneys filed multiple lawsuits to prevent Mazars and two additional third-party financial institutions - Deutsche Bank and Capital One - from disclosing Trump's financial records.

Legal experts say the court's decision to enforce the New York grand jury subpoena creates the possibility that Trump's tax returns are eventually made public, though there is no guarantee of their disclosure, and a potential timeline is unclear.

Under New York law, a judge can approve breaches of grand jury secrecy if there is a compelling reason to do so, and developments in the criminal probe itself could diminish the reason for secrecy, according to Richard Lempert, a law professor at the University of Michigan.

The second case, involving four congressional subpoenas, arose after three House committees pursued a lengthy paper trail of Trump's personal and corporate records. Broadly speaking, each Democratic-led committee said the materials were necessary to carry out their legislative and oversight functions.

The House Oversight and Reform Committee argued its subpoena of Trump's accounting firm, Mazars USA, was needed to inform rules governing ethics, conflicts of interest and presidential financial disclosure.

Another set of subpoenas, from the House Financial Services Committee, requested records from Deutsche Bank and Capital One as a follow-up on press reports that Deutsche Bank staffers had raised concerns that Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, were linked to illicit financial activity.

The House Intelligence Committee also subpoenaed Deutsche Bank, but its focus was on Kremlin efforts to interfere in U.S. elections and whether Russian or other foreign nationals have financial leverage over Trump.

Lawmakers prevailed in every round of the battle in the lower courts.

But the justices on Wednesday reversed those rulings, finding that the lower courts had failed to properly consider the weighty separation of powers concerns at hand.

"When Congress seeks information 'needed for intelligent legislative action,' it 'unquestionably' remains 'the duty of all citizens to cooperate,'" Roberts wrote for the majority. "Congressional subpoenas for information from the President, however, implicate special concerns regarding the separation of powers. The courts below did not take adequate account of those concerns."

As in the New York case, Roberts was again joined by the court's four more liberal justices, as well as Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. In both decisions, two of the court's more conservative justices, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, dissented.
It strikes me as odd that the same two Justices dissented in the two rulings, in Trump's favor against NY prosecutors and in Congress' favor against Trump.

I also think both rulings are fair. The ruling against Congress may seem like a blow to investigation, but it was adventurous to begin with.

Of particular interest to me, however, is that Trump's appointments Gorsuch and Kavanaugh joined the majority against Trump and in favor of NY prosecutors. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out; they were "disloyal" and he can't fire them. Does he rail against them on social media? I have no doubt he wants to, but people around him would likely rather he didn't.

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I've copied the full article above, but maybe give The Hill your click anyway, and the article links to the full decision where I have not, instead opting to keep it clean and easier to read as I usually do.
 
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