America - The Official Thread

[sumbrownkid]

Stacey Abrams’ revenge coming through.

 

[Liquid]

Another deep state, RINO cuck makes himself known.

 

[UKMikey]

Hands up if you heard that tweet in your head in a deep Ahnie voice with a pronounced Austrian accent.

 

[polysmut]

Hands up if you heard that tweet in your head in a deep Ahnie voice with a pronounced Austrian accent.

 

[TexRex]

I went digging for what Rod Rosenstein is supposed to have done to draw Wood's ire, but on the third page of news scrolling it occurred to me that I was actually indulging in his Trumpism. These people aren't rational. They fly by the seat of their pants and make **** up to confirm their own beliefs.

Edit:

 

[UKMikey]

I missed this news yesterday.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/0...r-hoax-device-left-outside-queens-plaza-mall/

 

[Joey D]

Edit:

I really like Amash. It was nice to be able to vote for him when I lived in West Michigan and I'm really glad he up and left the Republican party.

 

[TexRex]

I really like Amash. It was nice to be able to vote for him when I lived in West Michigan and I'm really glad he up and left the Republican party.

He seems like a good guy. I don't align with much of his political viewpoint, but that's okay because I get the sense that he would rather things stay the same than affect change through impropriety.

 

[huskeR32]

Let's see if I like you next year. Your 3 strikes are up for this year.

I can't even begin to imagine how uninterested somebody would be to learn that I had blocked them. Why do people feel the need to announce this?

 

[ryzno]

I can't even begin to imagine how uninterested somebody would be to learn that I had blocked them. Why do people feel the need to announce this?

I don't have him blocked, just in my keep scrolling section.
I was hoping New Year, new way but that was too much to ask for. Besides you know this isn't the first time between him and I, and it probably won't be the last.
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In other news, the Capitol got attacked today.

 

[SestoScudo]

THE MILLION MAGA MARCH HAS BEGUN

 

[andrea]

 

[TenEightyOne]

That's enough to bring charges, surely?

 

[Dotini]

Trump is no longer leader of the Republican Party. They are going to undergo a period of introspection and finding a center of gravity. Maybe Romney is a possibility, but I'm sure there are many who are called.

 

[Liquid]

Trump is no longer leader of the Republican Party. They are going to undergo a period of introspection and finding a center of gravity. Maybe Romney is a possibility, but I'm sure there are many who are called.

The "Republican Party" might return to a more centrist position but these far-right whackos and the congressional candidates they support and vote for aren't going to go away like magic.

 

[Keef]

Hey look, the US justice system works!

It takes 22 months, but it works.

The DOJ charged Boeing with one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States.

 

[Biggles]

"Trump gave his voters something no one else would; permission to be their worst selves. That's why they will never abandon him."

 

[Danoff]

I find myself thinking that the capitol riot, instigated by the President, and attempt at overthrowing the government via the courts and via misuse of the office of the vice president and congress, is the natural consequence of failing to remove the president from office following impeachment.

We knew that the president was corrupt. It was demonstrated about as clearly as it can be demonstrated. But partisan politics rose about the duties of the office of the senate, and so many senators failed to prevent what we're seeing today. Every senator that voted not to remove from office is directly responsible for the continued corruption that Trump has consistently displayed since.

 

[TenEightyOne]

But partisan politics rose about the duties of the office of the senate, and so many senators failed to prevent what we're seeing today. Every senator that voted not to remove from office is directly responsible for the continued corruption that Trump has consistently displayed since.

Ah, but that was more than five hours ago. Within the last five hours they've been against Trump and against All Of This Sort Of Thing. Those five hours are almost literally a lifetime in the average digital consciousness.

 

[Famine]

It needs an update. 3900 dead on Thursday.

This week saw the first 4,000+ day too.

1. ~6,000 - September 8, 1900 - Galveston Hurricane
2. 4,033 - January 7, 2021 - COVID-19 Pandemic
3. 3,884 - December 30, 2020 - COVID-19 Pandemic
4. 3,866 - January 6, 2021 - COVID-19 Pandemic
5. 3,650 - September 17, 1862 - Battle of Antietam/Civil War
6. 3,478 - January 5, 2021 - COVID-19 Pandemic
7. 3,468 - December 17, 2020 - COVID-19 Pandemic
8. 3,438 - December 16, 2020 - COVID-19 Pandemic
9. 3,379 - December 23, 2020 - COVID-19 Pandemic
10. 3,299 - December 29, 2020 - COVID-19 Pandemic

The next four are all also COVID-19, and the ten deadliest days of the pandemic are now all December 9 2020 or later. For those keeping count, September 11 is now 16th on the list.

The first week of January 2021 averages 2,758 deaths per day from COVID-19. That's roughly the equivalent of 13 9/11s every two weeks.

 

[TexRex]

I find myself thinking that the capitol riot, instigated by the President, and attempt at overthrowing the government via the courts and via misuse of the office of the vice president and congress, is the natural consequence of failing to remove the president from office following impeachment.

Yes.

We knew that the president was corrupt. It was demonstrated about as clearly as it can be demonstrated. But partisan politics rose about the duties of the office of the senate, and so many senators failed to prevent what we're seeing today. Every senator that voted not to remove from office is directly responsible for the continued corruption that Trump has consistently displayed since.

Yes.

 

[Keef]

Every senator that voted not to remove from office is directly responsible for the continued corruption that Trump has consistently displayed since.

I don't think they're simply responsible, I think they're complicit. A coup could not have been attempted if Trump was removed, and Senate Republicans had the majority and power to make sure he stayed in office to see the plan through.

 

[Blitz24]

This week saw the first 4,000+ day too.

1. ~6,000 - September 8, 1900 - Galveston Hurricane
2. 4,033 - January 7, 2021 - COVID-19 Pandemic
3. 3,884 - December 30, 2020 - COVID-19 Pandemic
4. 3,866 - January 6, 2021 - COVID-19 Pandemic
5. 3,650 - September 17, 1862 - Battle of Antietam/Civil War
6. 3,478 - January 5, 2021 - COVID-19 Pandemic
7. 3,468 - December 17, 2020 - COVID-19 Pandemic
8. 3,438 - December 16, 2020 - COVID-19 Pandemic
9. 3,379 - December 23, 2020 - COVID-19 Pandemic
10. 3,299 - December 29, 2020 - COVID-19 Pandemic

The next four are all also COVID-19, and the ten deadliest days of the pandemic are now all December 9 2020 or later. For those keeping count, September 11 is now 16th on the list.

The first week of January 2021 averages 2,758 deaths per day from COVID-19. That's roughly the equivalent of 13 9/11s every two weeks.

While I would be very shocked if the Hurricane falls off the top pedestal, it would not shock me if the other 9 days on this list are all COVID related by the end of Q1 2021. (Only need 6 more.)

 

[Danoff]

So I'm just spitaballing here... but... lemme see if I can get this straight:

- Trump incites the mob to head to congress
- Members of the mob include people who intend to kidnap and execute the people they find at the capitol
- Officials at the capitol allow the mob to pass into the building unimpeded
- The event being interrupted is the final blow in ending Trump's term
- McConnell and Pence are furious with Trump in the aftermath

So if I just add these together I get... hang on a sec...

That Trump wanted his mob to attack congress so that he could do away with a branch of government before they ended his reign - so that he could seize control of the government - as he has been trying through various means all year.

Once you really see it, it's fairly difficult to unsee. I know it's a conspiracy theory, I'll need more evidence before I consider it true. At the moment it's a theory that appears to fit the facts.

 

[Liquid]

before they ended his reign

Not his term, his reign.

That's where you are.

 

[Danoff]

I'm starting to think that the riot is going to erode the 2nd amendment, even more than school shootings (etc.) already have. The gun-nut group has a lot of overlap with the stopthesteal group. The pro-trump folks might waive their flags proudly and speak of freedom and america, but at this point they represent authoritarian dictatorial control - which makes them less sympathetic when it comes to their rights to arms (at least in the general public eye). Insurrectionists who demand a dictator overthrow democracy claim a right to amass firearms? And it's so that they can resist their government you say? Uh.... that resistance is taking shape in the form of plotting to kidnap and assassinate government officials that resist their dictator. Not good.

I'm a gun owner myself, and I fully support the 2nd amendment, but it's plain to me that the right-wing argument that preventing oppression from government is important just got a major setback.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

So I'm just spitaballing here... but... lemme see if I can get this straight:

- Trump incites the mob to head to congress
- Members of the mob include people who intend to kidnap and execute the people they find at the capitol
- Officials at the capitol allow the mob to pass into the building unimpeded
- The event being interrupted is the final blow in ending Trump's term
- McConnell and Pence are furious with Trump in the aftermath

So if I just add these together I get... hang on a sec...

That Trump wanted his mob to attack congress so that he could do away with a branch of government before they ended his reign - so that he could seize control of the government - as he has been trying through various means all year.

Once you really see it, it's fairly difficult to unsee. I know it's a conspiracy theory, I'll need more evidence before I consider it true. At the moment it's a theory that appears to fit the facts.

You sort of covered it with your 3rd point, but its worth elaborating that Trump also would not approve the national guard being deployed to quell the insurrection. The entire legislative branch, and his own vice president, were literally under siege by a violent mob and he would not send the national guard. What possible explanation for that could there be?

 

[Danoff]

You sort of covered it with your 3rd point, but its worth elaborating that Trump also would not approve the national guard being deployed to quell the insurrection. The entire legislative branch, and his own vice president, were literally under siege by a violent mob and he would not send the national guard. What possible explanation for that could there be?

Well there are other possible explanations (like not wanting innocent people to get killed, and not wanting to escalate the situation, not good explanations mind you). Pence apparently did not agree with that call. But I agree (with you), that particular fact fits nicely with the theory that Trump really was attempting to seize control.

I guess we all knew that he might pull some kind of stunt like this. But did we really think it would happen? And now that something that has happened kinda fits that description, how much evidence will it take to convince me? Something like this has been on my radar for months, and yet I'm still skeptical of the coordination.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Well, at this point I'd argue it's more of just a theory than a conspiracy theory because we aren't even close to understanding any version of the full picture. Hopefully the FBI is interested in finding out.

I'll put it this way, the only hesitation I have in really believing that Trump ordered this is that Trump is:
1. An awful manager and has demonstrated a complete lack of ability to finish any task or really any ability to orchestrate multi-step processes. I mean I suppose this (rather bad coup attempt) could be the result of that lack of craft.
2. A total coward

 

[Biggles]

I don't know if anyone hasn't seen this, but for those that haven't, it's a brilliant look at the Trump phenomenon ... when it was still possible to laugh at it: