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How to appeal to stupid people...

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Once again I'd love to hear @Danoff's analysis of the above Truth if he isn't too busy planning to break for the northern border. If the tariffs are levied on Americans, why would they need an external service to collect them? Has somebody told DOGE yet?

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US citizens submit tax returns even if they live outside the United States. That's essentially an external revenue service (lower case) whether it's an actual agency or not.
 
Once again I'd love to hear @Danoff's analysis of the above Truth if he isn't too busy planning to break for the northern border. If the tariffs are levied on Americans, why would they need an external service to collect them? Has somebody told DOGE yet?

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Because Trump doesn't understand simple economics. The question becomes what is the minimum income level required to avoid becoming a slave.
 
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Rofl. So you're gonna tax citizens of other countries. And when they don't pay, you're gonna what? Invade them? Throw them out a window? Fill their undies with anthrax?

Trump lives in a fairy land where everyone bows down and does whatever he wants no matter if it even makes sense. I strongly suspect he's going to get a rude awakening when the rest of the world who doesn't think that he's an amazing genius tells him to wedge it sideways up his pooter.

Other countries are willing to work with even the daftest presidents as long as it makes sense for them, but becoming a vassal state is not it.
 
Rofl. So you're gonna tax citizens of other countries. And when they don't pay, you're gonna what? Invade them? Throw them out a window? Fill their undies with anthrax?

Trump lives in a fairy land where everyone bows down and does whatever he wants no matter if it even makes sense. I strongly suspect he's going to get a rude awakening when the rest of the world who doesn't think that he's an amazing genius tells him to wedge it sideways up his pooter.

Other countries are willing to work with even the daftest presidents as long as it makes sense for them, but becoming a vassal state is not it.
I mean, Trump threw a hissy fit that the flags would be at half-staff at his inauguration and his supporters masquerading as House representatives decided they needed to appease him.
 
I strongly suspect he's going to get a rude awakening when the rest of the world who doesn't think that he's an amazing genius tells him to wedge it sideways up his pooter.
If only the politicians had enough spine to use language like that. I'd love to see that.
 
So, is he going to suggest other countries send him the money by dove or something?
Hey, like gov't weed shops I can see these popping up in the 'burbs:
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Mike Turner R from Ohio has been fired from his spot as chairman of the intelligence committee. Orders from Trump apparently. This is most likely bad news for Dayton, Ohio, and the US as a whole. Turner has humongous support in Dayton and Wright Patterson AFB area as he's brought a ton of funding and STEM jobs to the area and increased the importance of WPAFB considerably. He's still on the armed services committee so not all is lost but by all personal accounts Turner was very engaged and great to work with here at the base.
 
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Johnson's looking over all the Jacks and Daniels amongst the House Republicans to see who would have the best rapport with Pete Hegseth.
 
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Once again I'd love to hear @Danoff's analysis of the above Truth if he isn't too busy planning to break for the northern border. If the tariffs are levied on Americans, why would they need an external service to collect them? Has somebody told DOGE yet?

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I mean this with no disrespect or hostility towards him, as I've always enjoyed reading his posts, but the results/aftermath of the 2024 elections has seemed to break the brains of a lot of people, and Danoff might be one of them. By that, I don't mean excessive anger or fear toward Trump (which would be justified), but an inability to cogently understand why the election happened the way it did. I remember over the summer, when Biden suspended his bid for presidency, he was very optimistic and venerated Biden as a hero for doing so, yet in November, he seemed to be "blackpilled", believing that the Democrats would lose from the beginning and there was nothing that could have been done to mitigate that. He seems to believe that forces akin to the "indivisible hand" in economics have moved the electorate rightward as well as given rise to Trump in recent years.

I'll even go as far to say that his general ideology as a right-libertarian is ill-equipped to grapple with this question. Although the policy preferences of the median voter are hard to generalize (and are often contradictory or irrational when bundled together), it seems clear that the political feasibility of neoliberalism in the modern US is at an all time low. Yes, while it should be obvious to anyone that the economy is not a zero-sum game, it's also not an infinite-sum game either, and I think this worldview fails to fully realize the downstream effects of massive and growing inequality throughout society, even if the total amount of wealth in the US, and standards of living for poor Americans is at an all-time high. Neoliberalism really doesn't concern itself with inequality. It's fair to say that the median voter prefers economic change over status quo, borne out by political trends since the 2016 primaries (maybe even as early as the financial crisis), and much of this sentiment is the product of ever-apparent inequality throughout society, which breeds populism.
 
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Yes, while it should be obvious to anyone that the economy is not a zero-sum game, it's also not an infinite-sum game either, and I think this worldview fails to fully realize the downstream effects of massive and growing inequality throughout society, even if the total amount of wealth in the US, and standards of living for poor Americans is at an all-time high. Neoliberalism really doesn't concern itself with inequality. It's fair to say that the median voter prefers economic change over status quo, borne out by political trends since the 2016 primaries (maybe even as early as the financial crisis), and much of this sentiment is the product of ever-apparent inequality throughout society, which breeds populism.
To be fair, this all sounds a lot like an invisible hand of economic and social forces influencing people to behave in certain ways, does it not?
 
I'll even go as far to say that his general ideology as a right-libertarian is ill-equipped to grapple with this question.
The two things seem unrelated. Atheists aren't ill-equipped to deal with questions on theology...

I think we all understand why the election went the way that it did. However, the fact that a full quarter of the entire US population will wave American flags while voting for the person most overtly dismantling American institutions - with a track record of obscene disregard for Americans (particularly his voter base) and for anything except self-enrichment and cosying up with the richest and most powerful people in the world - when they shouldn't have even been able to vote for the guy anyway is more of a question of how.

The USA is supposed to have checks and balances to prevent the rise of a dictator, but has somehow walked right into it - willingly for more than a third of voters and apathetically for another third - and probably killed itself. That's what's broken a lot of brains, and not in terms of inability to understand but simple aghastment with how easily something that shouldn't be possible has happened with someone who is self-evidently a gibbering moron - like, not even an evil genius, but a ****-smeared heart attack in a golf cart - and how many people have lined up to be a part of it even knowing that those who were part of it the first time round were used and discarded faster than McDonald's ketchup sachets.
 
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