Anniversary Of 9/11

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CAM
Oh my god.. You guys have to read about this guy.

Welles Remy Crowther.

Whenever I see a person like this it always makes me feel like a terrible person inside, yet makes me proud to be an American. After watching an ESPN special on this I literally cried for about 15 minutes. He saved at least 18 people in the South Tower on 9/11 and wasn't even a firefighter. He went back up those stairs 3 times. I just can't believe the courage and honor he had.. This man is an example for what all of us should aim to be in life. I know I'm going to go about my day differently tomorrow because of this man. Just amazing. There really must be angels among us, whether you are a religious person or not. Please excuse the emotional post, it hit me pretty hard on TV. Tune to ESPN quickly if you want to see it. I recommend it.

Rest in Peace, may you be remembered forever by those you saved and all of us.
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I saw lots of documentaries two years ago and one of them was largely about him (the man in the red bandana)and other heroic people such as the firefighter (whose name was Oriol IIRC). A local tv channel produced a lot of great documentaries. Some were upsetting and some were stories of courage. One in particular that stood out was a collection of unedited home recordings submitted by people present in NYC that day. Some were filmed by people leaning out of their windows uptown, getting covered in dust.

One in particular that was haunting was a cellphone video recorded by two girls (one sobbing uncontrollably) from their apartment. There was also a disturbing documentary on this twisted individual.

If I find any of the aforementioned documentaries, I'll post them here. They aired on one of Channel 4's(uk) freeview channels.
 
I still remember to this day sitting in my 10th grade history class when our teacher told us that a plane had just crashed into the world trade center. By the time the Pentagon had been hit, everyone who had a parent that worked at the Pentagon was being pulled out of class by the administrators so they could make attempts to contact their parents. And to top the day off, I have a neighbor in the USMC that was stationed at the Pentagon who had been on his way back to his office, which was right in the impact zone.

May we never forget.
 
Player7996
Same here I always seem to watch all the documentaries which makes me sad. RIP to all those who lost their lives. You won't be missed.
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I take it that's a typing error or am I the only one reading the last sentence in the wrong way?

R.I.P to all who died in this tragedy
 
I don't remember any of that day, I was 5 at the time and just being picked up from school. My mum says that she was just getting out of the car to come and get me and saw lots of people suddenley running about trying to hear what way happening through their car radio's, one mother who was from the US was crying. I don't remember being told at the time, however i have watch quite alot of documentaries on it and such, I find it quite facisnating on how such an event happened, and the stories of those hero's who saved many lives on that day, but also in rememberance of those who died on that day, in the event that has really defined most of the west throughout the decade.

It is slightly strange to me on the comparison between the peoples reaction of 9/11 and the reaction to the 7/7 bombings in london. There has never been these conspirsies or amount of documentaries about 7/7.


Only a couple of days ago I say a documentary about how the dust given off from the combusted materials in the fire is giving people who were in that area during and after the incident cancer. Rising the death toll even further.


Let us never forget.
 
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lbsf1
It is slightly strange to me on the comparison between the peoples reaction of 9/11 and the reaction to the 7/7 bombings in london. There has never been these conspirsies or amount of documentaries about 7/7.
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I would hazard a bet that the different reaction is due to the fact that England has been dealing with terrorism for a long time post-WWII thanks to the Troubles.

Despite a few notable examples such as Oklahoma City, the US has had less exposure to things like this. It's really an ocean away from the perceived dangerous areas of the world.
 
MikeTheHockeyFan
I would hazard a bet that the different reaction is due to the fact that England has been dealing with terrorism for a long time post-WWII thanks to the Troubles.

Despite a few notable examples such as Oklahoma City, the US has had less exposure to things like this. It's really an ocean away from the perceived dangerous areas of the world.
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There's a lot less to argue about as well. 7/7 was basically a couple of bombs blow up. 9/11 was more complicated, and theories like 'there was never a planeis are'nt really possible. with 7/7 I mean, was there never a bomb, and did the fuel tank spontaniously combust and explode?
 
CAM
Oh my god.. You guys have to read about this guy.

Welles Remy Crowther.

Whenever I see a person like this it always makes me feel like a terrible person inside, yet makes me proud to be an American. After watching an ESPN special on this I literally cried for about 15 minutes. He saved at least 18 people in the South Tower on 9/11 and wasn't even a firefighter. He went back up those stairs 3 times. I just can't believe the courage and honor he had.. This man is an example for what all of us should aim to be in life. I know I'm going to go about my day differently tomorrow because of this man. Just amazing. There really must be angels among us, whether you are a religious person or not. Please excuse the emotional post, it hit me pretty hard on TV. Tune to ESPN quickly if you want to see it. I recommend it.

Rest in Peace, may you be remembered forever by those you saved and all of us.
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I couldn't agree with you more. R.I.P Welles :(
 
ryanb98
There's a lot less to argue about as well. 7/7 was basically a couple of bombs blow up. 9/11 was more complicated, and theories like 'there was never a planeis are'nt really possible. with 7/7 I mean, was there never a bomb, and did the fuel tank spontaniously combust and explode?
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I don't really buy that. Two giant passenger jets full of passengers flew over the heads of thousands of living witnesses and into two towers. There is no room for speculation here, nor regarding the collapse of the towers if you bother to seek out the scientific consensus from the community of structural engineers out there.
 
ryanb98
There's a lot less to argue about as well. 7/7 was basically a couple of bombs blow up. 9/11 was more complicated, and theories like 'there was never a planeis are'nt really possible. with 7/7 I mean, was there never a bomb, and did the fuel tank spontaniously combust and explode?
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Exactly how was 9/11 complicated? I mean it's pretty cut and dry to me.

Anybody who wants to spend their time thinking up about how it was the governments secret plan and that crap is doing a massive disservice to those who lost their lives that day.

I agree with Mike. The US and on a larger scale North America really hadn't been subjected to terrorism up until that point, quite unlike England and Europe across the pond.

Also as powerful a country as England is it simply isn't the world super power that the US is. When things happen in the states ripple effects are felt around the world nearly instantly. As an example, in New York after 7/7 were there major changes to how the subway system works to improve safety and security? Nope. After 9/11 were there major changes to security checks and protocols at every major airport around the world including London? Yep.
 
I was pretty young (6 I think, maybe 5) but I never remember anyone telling me anything. Which gets me really ticked off. I don't care if I'm 5 or 20 I want to know what is happening in the world around me. It's like my parents are putting up a big censor bar over my eyes. :grumpy:
 
I was 22 at the time, It was lunchtime over here, I was in the office on my own, my boss was on the road and he phoned up to discuss a few things, and mentioned a plane had just flown in to the world trade center.. I assumed it was just a little light aircraft or some fool in a microlite. Thought I'd check bbc.co.uk/news ... and after that it all started to become clear what was going in, although initially information and pictures were slow to get over the atlantic, and most news sites went down pretty quickly. I remember e-mailing one of our suppliers who was based in NJ, they e-mailed back to say that no-one could believe what was going on and how they were just totally in shock.

I don't much care for America as a nation to be quite honest, but for the thousands of individuals who died needlessly, and their families, I will always remember 9/11 with a huge amount of sorrow, and the thousands of men and women that both survived and those that died trying to save others - I will always have the upmost respect and admiration.
 
Switched on the news, and my heart sank, jaw hit the ground. I remember it like yesterday really. I also remember I am sure that the news channel was on an american TV helicopter that flew over as one of the tower's began to fall. The pilot just said something like "She's going down!".

Horrific. Every year when there are the commemorative programs I struggle to watch them, they make me feel so sick inside.
 
MatskiMonk
I don't much care for America as a nation to be quite honest, but for the thousands of individuals who died needlessly, and their families, I will always remember 9/11 with a huge amount of sorrow, and the thousands of men and women that both survived and those that died trying to save others - I will always have the upmost respect and admiration.
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I don't think of 9/11 to be an American thing but I think of it as a global thing. I understand what you're trying to say. I think someone will quote me in this thread and say that I'm wrong about saying it's American..... It's really hard to say.. like, if you saw on TV and you're not American and the first thing you thought was "Oh my god the patriotic Americans have been attacked!" What I felt was "Oh my god people have been attacked, New York has lost one of it's iconic structures and world has become a bit more evil." It's almost impossible to say what I'm trying to say so don't get all upset at this comment.
 
Could someone please explain to me why the mayor of NYC has banned clergymen/woman along with firefighters from attending the opening of the ground zero memorial? (I hope that's all correct information wise)
 
My Civics teacher told us that it is the choice of the families who is permitted and who isn't. We discussed the clergy specifically. I believe (don't quote me on this) that they are trying to get the firefighters in. I would sure hope they get permitted.
 
But why should anyone be turned away to begin with? In fact, why did they even consider it? That's my question.
 
That I don't know. Maybe it's a space issue, I don't know how much room they have available.
 
Doubt it. I have a feeling there's a religious implication here. And if this whole issue has to do with the fact that we might "offend" someone, well then screw us. I have a suspicion it might.
 
Sam48
But why should anyone be turned away to begin with? In fact, why did they even consider it? That's my question.
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The official word is that the clergy are not being invited for the same reason they haven't been invited the last nine years, to avoid creating controversy. The event created a large amount animosity in the religious groups and the last thing they want is to risk a clergy of any one group saying something that will cause controversy. If you feel that is a poor reason, remember that it is being pulled together by politicians, where public relations is 90% of the job.

As for firemen, the official word is that after all of the victims' families there is not enough room to invite them in as well and so they are focusing on the families in this ceremony and are planning to have a separate ceremony recognizing the first responders on that day with all the firehouses involved.

On that one, I think at least having the chiefs of all the houses that were on the scene say something would be a good call. Recognizing the victims will include some first responders, but the men who took the same risks and only survived due to circumstances should get the same recognition.



Anyway, on 9/11 I was in college. I didn't have class until 1:00 so I was sleeping in and my dad called me to ask if I was watching TV. I turned it on to see both towers smoking. My classes were canceled that day.
 
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Dennisch
Conspiracy is an American thing.
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There was a program on TV the other night where 5 conspiracy theorists from the UK were taken over to the U.S. to try and have their theories debunked.

Two changed their mind and now believe the official story after hearing evidence from engineers, explosive experts and talking with a woman who lost her son, one sat on the fence afterward, and the other two refused to believe a word of any of the other experts and continued in their stupid conspiracies.

The last two were, without fail, utter morons. I like to think that in certain circumstances it's fine to believe the odd conspiracy now and then when the evidence supporting the truth doesn't seem strong enough, but every single one of these two's stupid theories was completely debunked scientifically in the program and they still refused to believe a word.

They're probably a-holes in every other aspect of life too - it's usually the way.

I've been watching a lot of programs on 9/11 this week, the one I've particularly got into is Rising: Rebuilding Ground Zero, the Spielberg documentary. It's an amazing engineering project they've got going there, I'd love to visit it one day. The new buildings are looking fantastic so far, as is the new subway station, and it's great how they've kept the foundations of towers 1 and 2 as memorial fountains. It's a really modern, sympathetic use of those 16 acres.
 
I loved the bit where that girl insisted that satellites weren't used by phone companies in 2001, that all they had were radio towers so it was impossible for people to make a call from United 93. And then she went on to say that the phone conversations themselves were staged. Utter moron.
 
I hate the change the topic slightly but I feel this event has given these Muslim extremists the excuse to kill innocent people.

A few years ago a Middle-Eastern man detonated a needle bomb in the toilets of a cafe in my hometown of Exeter, luckily no-one was hurt other than him due to a faulty fuse but it goes to show that even in the lesser known cities in the world, terrorism can still occur and in my opinion I don't see where it will end.

R.I.P. to all those who died in the attacks...so many lives taken that day.
 
You aren't looking hard enough.

Hint: check just in front of the sidepod. ;)
 

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