Anyone else dissapointed in Shift 2?

[Terronium-12]

+ 1 Agreed 100%! 👍




How can you be disappointed about a game that hasn't been released yet?

You've missed the point, I think. Reread the first page and you'll get it.

 

[Destinkeys]

How can you be disappointed about a game that hasn't been released yet?

I guess by being SO disappointed in the game you have, you just assume that that disappointment is going to continue in any future games!

News flash! SMS are making S2U, not PD!

 

[kikie]

You've missed the point, I think. Reread the first page and you'll get it.

No I didn't miss the point. You just can't be dissapointed with something that you didn't try. That's my personal opinion.

For all we know, Shift2 is going to be the best race game at the moment and you will forget the things you're supposedly disappointed in. So, no, I don't miss the point. It's my opinion that you guys are missing the point.

And why comment on my post only? I'm not the only one that said the same thing. Don't like that at all.

Wait untill we get the game and then create threads like this. That's all what I was trying to say.

I remember being disappointed with GT5's reviews when it came out. When I bought the game, a few months after the release of GT5, I wasn't disappointed at all. I like GT5 a lot. So again, you can't be disappointed in something if you haven't tried it.

disappoint, let down (fail to meet the hopes or expectations of)

• disappointment, letdown (a feeling of dissatisfaction that results when your expectations are not realized) "his hopes were so high he was doomed to disappointment"
• S: (n) disappointment, dashing hopes (an act (or failure to act) that disappoints someone)

How can hopes or expextations fail to meet our demands if you don't try the game first?

"A couple questions though: how realistic is tire wear? Do different pressures and compounds impact tire life. A good question Rook. I went to SMS' physics guru Doug Arnao to get the answer here. He said:
Tire wear (along with heat) is modeled and is pretty realistic. Safe to say you'll know you've abused your tyres. For pressures, they affect the tyre spring rate, and the across the tread heating, so ultimately will affect life of the tire.

You see my point. The OP has made mistake one. There seems to be tire wear according to this interview. So, once again, how can you be disappointed in something that you haven't tried. The OP is disappointed in something he shouldn't be disappointed in because tire wear seems to be a feature of Shift2. You can't be disappointed on something that is in the game, only because you think it's not a part of Shift2. You can question the game and why some feature are not in but you can't be disappointed with something you haven't tried first.

All I'm saying is, try it and start whining after you tried the game. (no pun intended).

I hope this discussion will end here (I don't mean this thread ofcourse). I have my opinion, you guys have yours and it seems that we won't agree on the disappointing thing, so drop it.

 

[Imari]

News flash! SMS are making S2U, not PD!

Something for which we are all eternally grateful...

 

[Terronium-12]

This thread is pointless. Game isn't even out yet...

Go tell that to the trolls invading the other Shift 2 threads...

I think you will understand the thread better if you have some sence of humor/sarcasm to go along with it.

Can't help to think this is somewhat of an early retaliation for this thead.

Well there starting to come out of the woodwork.
People who live under bridges and eat nanny goats.
I thought I'd make a playground and free up other threads.

Sorry if I shot my bolt, I rarely post up new threads If ever.

I apologise, I read this before reading the last 3 pages of the main thread.

Way to think ahead, however, do you think this will actually work?

All attempts to confine the GT5 complaints to one area have failed, I doubt this will do any better. Too many people are ready to uncritically judge the game because it's EA, because it's NFS, because it only took a year and a bit to make, because it's not called Gran Turismo.

Ten points for trying though.

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No I didn't miss the point. You just can't be dissapointed with something that you didn't try. That's my personal opinion.

For all we know, Shift2 is going to be the best race game at the moment and you will forget the things you're supposedly disappointed in.

Look at the quotes above. Still think you haven't missed the point?

So, no, I don't miss the point. It's my opinion that you guys are missing the point.

You guys? Have I expressed disappointment in this thread? No, I haven't.

And why comment on my post only? I'm not the only one that said the same thing. Don't like that at all.

Really? You say that like I'm attacking you personally.

Wait untill we get the game and then create threads like this. That's all what I was trying to say.

The thread was created to cut the whining and unnecessary complaining out of the main thread, which if you'd have a look right now, hasn't worked at all.

It's turned into a lite version of the entire GT5 forum.

How can hopes or expextations fail to meet our demands if you don't try the game first?

That display was quite unnecessary. I'm aware of what disappoint(ed) means.

There seems to be tire wear according to this interview.

Which is contradictory to a statement made by another SMS employee sometime ago. The correction has just come about, at the time the OP was going off of what was widely known.

So, once again, how can you be disappointed in something that you haven't tried. The OP is disappointed in something he shouldn't be disappointed in because tire wear seems to be a feature of Shift2. You can't be disappointed on something that is in the game, only because you think it's not a part of Shift2. You can question the game and why some feature are not in but you can't be disappointed with something you haven't tried first.

The OP wasn't disappointed (at least not that I know of) he was trying to get the unnecessary bickering into a preemptive thread.

I hope this discussion will end here (I don't mean this thread ofcourse). I have my opinion, you guys have yours and it seems that we won't agree on the disappointing thing, so drop it.

Who's disappointed? What is there to be disappointed about?

The game hasn't even been released yet. There's nothing to go off of except what Shift was, and what it's being portrayed as now.

 

[Spagetti69]

@Kikkie. I created the thread, not because I was disappointed but because members were in the main thread moaning about;
Mushroom trees.
The game is like Burnout.
Sounds are awful
Tracks too wide.
And much more.
At the time it was a nice and peaceful vibe going on but that didn't last.
I just put a place for people to rant. It seems as though people are ranting because people are ranting.

Personally I'm looking forward to the game.
As for tire wear, at the time it was confirmed not to be in from a quote from a SMS employee.

Hope that clears it up.

 

[Destinkeys]

The tire wear issue is getting to be a conundrum. No pitstops, no tire wear... makes sense. But tire wear and no pitstops, and up to 99 lap races?

How is THAT going to play out? 50 laps on bald tires..?

I'm not sure SMS have thought this through.

 

[Imari]

The tire wear issue is getting to be a conundrum. No pitstops, no tire wear... makes sense. But tire wear and no pitstops, and up to 99 lap races?

How is THAT going to play out? 50 laps on bald tires..?

I'm not sure SMS have thought this through.

Could be very, very fun though. Pretty much every game I've played it's been faster to shred your tyres and just pit for new ones. If new tyres aren't an option, it could be strategically interesting. How fast can you drive without wrecking the tyres?

Not on 99 lap races, but that's just a quick race thing. Anyone masochistic enough to do that probably wants a bit of a challenge.

 

[kikie]

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Look at the quotes above. Still think you haven't missed the point?

You guys? Have I expressed disappointment in this thread? No, I haven't.

Really? You say that like I'm attacking you personally.

The thread was created to cut the whining and unnecessary complaining out of the main thread, which if you'd have a look right now, hasn't worked at all.

It's turned into a lite version of the entire GT5 forum.

That display was quite unnecessary. I'm aware of what disappoint(ed) means.

Which is contradictory to a statement made by another SMS employee sometime ago. The correction has just come about, at the time the OP was going off of what was widely known.

The OP wasn't disappointed (at least not that I know of) he was trying to get the unnecessary bickering into a preemptive thread.

Who's disappointed? What is there to be disappointed about?

The game hasn't even been released yet. There's nothing to go off of except what Shift was, and what it's being portrayed as now.

What of the drop it part don't you understand?

 

[Spagetti69]

+ 1 Agreed 100%! 👍

How can you be disappointed about a game that hasn't been released yet?

I'm not disappointed. Your right it hasn't been released yet.

Excitement for the game is banned too though, right? Can't be excited for a game that's not been released.

 

[kikie]

@Kikkie. I created the thread, not because I was disappointed but because members were in the main thread moaning about;
Mushroom trees.
The game is like Burnout.
Sounds are awful
Tracks too wide.
And much more.
At the time it was a nice and peaceful vibe going on but that didn't last.
I just put a place for people to rant. It seems as though people are ranting because people are ranting.

Personally I'm looking forward to the game.
As for tire wear, at the time it was confirmed not to be in from a quote from a SMS employee.

Hope that clears it up.

Yep, it does. Thanks!

The tire wear issue is getting to be a conundrum. No pitstops, no tire wear... makes sense. But tire wear and no pitstops, and up to 99 lap races?

How is THAT going to play out? 50 laps on bald tires..?

I'm not sure SMS have thought this through.

I thought the same thing when I read that tire wear is confirmed.

I'm not disappointed. Your right it hasn't been released yet.

Excitement for the game is banned too though, right? Can't be excited for a game that's not been released.

I'm not. If I'm excited about a game and I buy it and it's crap, I'm the more disappointed. Happened before. I try to have a neutral feeling about Shift2 until I'll try it.

 

[tribolik]

Could be very, very fun though. Pretty much every game I've played it's been faster to shred your tyres and just pit for new ones. If new tyres aren't an option, it could be strategically interesting. How fast can you drive without wrecking the tyres?

Not on 99 lap races, but that's just a quick race thing. Anyone masochistic enough to do that probably wants a bit of a challenge.

Well I guess it will all go down to who has the best long lasting rims

Maybe on long races you can switch tyre wear off.

 

[Destinkeys]

Personally, eye candy means little to me. An animated pit, with guys flying around filling up your tank and changing tires is all well and good. but the bottom line is, if you can do the same thing in game without all that extra detail (but with the same need to pull off the track and it take about real life times), then it's functionally IDENTICAL.

I'd much rather have that than no pitstops at ALL. If tire wear is IN, then tire renewal is a must. But I say that you only get enough tires to get through the race if you don't drive like a drifter! Say one set per 25 laps, or whatever it takes...

I feel the same way about track debris. IRL, yellow flags come out, guys run onto the field and the obstacles are carried off (or blown off, etc.!), and cars are towed back to the pits (or left off the track if burned to a crisp!), but the MAIN thing is, they aren't left on the track. All the GAME needs to do is achieve that last step. The hell with little animated track marshals running out and dragging things off. In fact, the hell with yellow flags at all! In a game, the debris can simply disappear after the pack that caused it goes by, and the EFFECTIVE result is identical, but without the interruption to racing. BETTER than real life!

But, in their wisdom, SMS have decided that rather than EFFECTIVELY achieving what goes on in real racing, they would rather not have it in at all than bear the scorn of the eye candy dweebs, who only know what racing LOOKS like (but have no knowledge of the reason for things). That's a little gutless, IMO.

 

[tribolik]

You know that for a fact? debri will stay on the track throughout the entire race?

 

[Destinkeys]

SMS have said it, and it was the way Shift 1 was...

I guess showing off how well they modeled car crashes trumps the RULES of the sport...

Mind you, don't get all high and mighty on us... GT5 does nothing about track debris either. It just lack some of the stopping power that some Shift obstacles have, but watch most NürbergringGP races, and watch the boxes get strewn on the course at the final chicane.

Doh!

 

[m0rris]

I apologise for not reading much of this thread but I'm going to make a point...

The generic O HAI THER I HATEZ THIZ GAYM threads are pointless, we've had them for GT5, We'll have them for Forza/Shift/GRID etc.

There is a time and a place to have a little whine and a moan about a game but if you really and I mean really feel let down as a result of a game either a) buy another game 💡 b) start a thread, only one is needed, where you get others to suggest what should be improved. We know the developers read this forum and others like it, your voice (if reasonable) will be heard.

As for starting a thread saying you're disappointed with a game despite the fact that it isn't even out, get a grip, if you are disappointed with the title before you've played it don't buy it. It isn't illegal to not own XYZ game.

Finally, games aren't and never will be perfect in everyone's eyes, at least we have choice and a wide range of incredible titles.

m0rris

 

[MagpieRacer]

I take it SMS have said that pitstops won't feature?

 

[Destinkeys]

I take it SMS have said that pitstops won't feature?

So far, yes. Mind you, earlier, they said no tire wear, either. I hope that at least tire wear can get 'rejuvenated' even if they can't include an entire pit animation.

SMS have said that you will DEFINITELY feel your tires scrubbing off if you drive aggressively, and as the vast majority of races are only a few laps, that seems to imply that it's at a pretty realistic rate. Which makes the Endurance and up to 99 lap Quick Races pretty problematical if you can't change them at all.

50 laps on bald tires, or 99 driving like a granny because you have to make ONE set last the entire race doesn't really encourage me...

 

[tinram]

This is a disappointment thread, we should stop telling other folks not to complain because it's not out yet. That's why the thread is here, might as well use it.

And yes folks can be disappointed even if it's not out yet, if a feature you are expecting is not going to be in the game, then you can be disappointed (failure of expectations).

About the track width, it does not matter whether the track too wide or just POV, if the sim driver perceives that track width differently than an actual driver then it would affect gameplay ( a ding on realism ).

 

[HKS racer]

Are you sure Shift 2 will feature endurance races? Without pitstops? I don't think. I didn't platinum Shift 1 (because of ugly physics at some point I sold it) but I can't remember endurance races in Shift 1. Maybe 10, 15, even 20 laps but no more than that.

 

[tribolik]

SMS have said it, and it was the way Shift 1 was...

I guess showing off how well they modeled car crashes trumps the RULES of the sport...

Mind you, don't get all high and mighty on us... GT5 does nothing about track debris either. It just lack some of the stopping power that some Shift obstacles have, but watch most NürbergringGP races, and watch the boxes get strewn on the course at the final chicane.

Doh!

Yeah yes I know exactly what you mean -I was in a super GT race online in that track having a wonderfull (for a change) fight in second when I missed the breaking point and hit the blue boxes and they where all over the place, I recovered (in third or fourth) but ruinned the race for everybody including me - either people would hit the boxes (in the next laps) right in the middle of the track or cut the chicane getting a XX second penalty... what a bummer and very stupid... (on my behalf also but I never meant to hit the damn thing)

 

[Destinkeys]

Are you sure Shift 2 will feature endurance races? Without pitstops? I don't think. I didn't platinum Shift 1 (because of ugly physics at some point I sold it) but I can't remember endurance races in Shift 1. Maybe 10, 15, even 20 laps but no more than that.

I think tops in Shift was 30 or so on an oval. Yes, SMS's idea of Endurance and PD's is VERY different! But at least SMS don't force you to race races that no-one even in real life would ever do. About 4 hrs is what most racing series allow any driver to take in one go. Then in comes the relief driver, and they have to rest for at least two or three HOURS.

I think SMS haven't forgotten that it is still a GAME... Mind you, Kaz ran a 24 hr Nürbergring, and he sure as HELL didn't drive all 24 hrs! Makes you wonder what sport those ARE supposed to emulate...

But SMS have confirmed that in Quick Race, you can have up to 99 laps. 99 laps of the 'Ring is probably about 10 hours or more. That ought to be enough for anyone! 99 laps of Road America ought to be about four hours or so.

Best of luck getting anyone online interested in those! Had enough trouble getting four laps out of the ADHD kids...

 

[CarreraGT]

I'm not. If I'm excited about a game and I buy it and it's crap, I'm the more disappointed. Happened before. I try to have a neutral feeling about Shift2 until I'll try it.

I agree. I got waaaay too excited over GT5 and, as a result, was very disappointed. Shift 2 sounded promising at first, then I was a little turned off by the videos. So I'm going to try it out before I buy it, and if I don't like it, there's always F1 2011 to look forward to

 

[kikie]

Being sceptical about Shift 2 doesn't necessarily make you a GT fan... I'm disappointed by GT5, so I am being realistic with my expectations for Shift 2.

On paper, the game sounds great. The videos so far have worried me a bit, which is why I'm going to try before I buy.

I agree that it's difficult to avoid comparison, but there's really no need to compare in this particular thread. I'm looking forward to the game either way

I know I said to drop it but I found the best description for this thread. Read what CarreraGT had to say in the Shift2 unleashed ... details thread.

Spagetti69. I understand what you try to do with this thread but you chose the wrong word, i.e. disappointed, for the thread title. It should have been "Anyone else sceptical in Shift2"? Sceptical, not disappointed.
That's what I have been trying to say. You just can't be disappointed with something that you haven't tried.
Spagetti69, no insult or pun or whatever is meant with this post.

Thanks CarreraGT for giving the solution to my problem without you even knowing it.

Don't let this thread become a flame war because of my interpretation of the thread title.

 

[Luminis]

About the track width, it does not matter whether the track too wide or just POV, if the sim driver perceives that track width differently than an actual driver then it would affect gameplay ( a ding on realism ).

Uhm, what? So far, we've only seen videos from a car driving on a given track, not what the driver actually sees, so we have no way to tell whether you'd perceive the track to be of a different width in the game versus real life.

That's where the FOV comes into play: FOV of the camera recording the real run and the FOV of the ingame 'camera'.

 

[CarreraGT]

Thanks CarreraGT for giving the solution to my problem without you even knowing it.

Any time 👍

 

[JJ72]

About the track width, it does not matter whether the track too wide or just POV, if the sim driver perceives that track width differently than an actual driver then it would affect gameplay ( a ding on realism ).

It is impossible to have realistic three dimensional spatial perception on a monitor, even if you have a 180 wrap around project setup, our eyes's FOV isn't linear, it has a slight fisheye effect, it is always going to be off.

But no matter the FOV your brain will always adjust as you drive along, if the track width is right you will feel it as you try to find the racing line.

 

[kikie]

About the tracks. The first thing what I'm going to do is compare the Zolder track with the real Zolder track. This is the only track, besides the 'ring, in the world that I have driven on numerous times in real life.
This is only possible if I decide to get Shift2. I'm still not sure if I'm going to buy this game.

 

[paulpg87]

the problem is that if you don't preorder tha games you have 3 car less and 40 events less becaused the limited give you 40 events.. and this is huge. I'd like to try the game before but i don't want to miss the events.. hope to buy it cheap trading in f1 2010 and something else.. i 'd easily trade gt5 cause it sucks in but i'm not going to do it just for collection.

 

[kikie]

Get the PC version. I'm sure that there will be mods that unlock or make it possible to get the extra cars and events.