Anyone else glad GT6 is on PS3 and not PS4?

[sonicy]

I disagree about the hardware lacking charisma and looking cheap. I think it's the best looking PlayStation hardware yet. If the PS3 is James Bond, then the PS4 is the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey. I'll take a sexy evolution-inducing monolith over a hairy womanizer pretending to be a spy any day of the week.

The lacking features will almost certainly be added eventually via firmware update.

But I'm indifferent about GT6 being on the PS3 instead of the PS4.

The HMDI and DOA issues amount to literally a handful of cases which is perfectly acceptable considering they've sold over 1 million consoles in 24 hours.

Sony lost money on every 'fat' PS3 they sold. Hence the slim versions. This wouldn't have been a successful business model for the PS4 so naturally they're going to cheapen the production costs. Doesn't look any worse than any other gaming machine out there - console or PC.

Whether they were loosing money or not on a console is beside the point I am making, the end result is the quality of the product feels much worse with the PS4 whether its down to production cost or not, its down. I guess my instinct on the PS4 is right then. If we've learned anything its that the quality and features only goes down as the production line continues. So don't be so sure about quality or features being added at a later date.

The HDMI issue is a result of poor build quality. Its not a design flaw, its that the build quality is so cheap there are inconsistencies in the materials.
You guys both obviously haven't seen the difference between trying to make something as good as you can and mass producing it. The plastic the PS4 is made of is like a whole set of toy cars for $1 at the discount store vareity. You can even see the ripples in the "shiny" part of the plastic and the rest of it just feels nasty.

PS3 in comparison was like a gem, because the materials were of the up most quality.

http://www.psu.com/faq/12b.jpg

And on top of that PS3 at launch had all Card readers, FULL backward capability, all the media, CD, streaming, USB, etc functionality. Like I said it will be interesting to see how much worse the later ps4s will be made like if at all possible. No Disc drive and half a USB port?

Some people don't care about these things but I do. All I'm saying is I am very unimpressed with the PS4 at launch compared to the PS3 relatively speaking.

That depends what games you're looking at. Besides, is there much difference between a PS3 and a high-end PC? Not when you compare the jump from a PS2 to a PS3. The increment in graphical improvement is narrowing between each generation.

Its not just that. On top of this you have a reduction in the set of features. Big steps backward. It makes the narrowing graphical improvements which is the only thing the ps4 had going for it (with everything else going backward) that much more lack luster.

A worthwhile thing imo. This will improve the online and PS store beyond what the PS3 offered. The PS3 was notoriously behind the Xbox in the area, and the fact xbox gamers paid to use online was key to this.

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I never cared for the lack of features ps3 had for online social stuff. It worked fine for me playing games. End result is now I just have to pay for it now. I never expected them to keep PSN free, I always knew it was "hi a we're new and going up against MS so our deals is better for now" thing. Just sayin meh.

 

[Oyashiro-sama]

GT5P was half the price. Of course. That was an half game. And for almost anyone outside PD fanboys, it was crap.

Gran Turismo is a game for "almost anyone". I mean, it's not a game for the masses, it's not that popular because most people find it hard to drive.
Also, I have many full-priced racing games that don't even have 40 cars.

 

[Mubble]

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I kind of get your points but it comes across that you'd rather sacrifice on things like online performance and social experience so long and the PS4 looks and feels luxurious to touch.

I couldn't care less about what the console looks/feels like so long as the experience is as good as it can be.

 

[fredyellowone]

Gran Turismo is a game for "almost anyone". I mean, it's not a game for the masses, it's not that popular because most people find it hard to drive.
Also, I have many full-priced racing games that don't even have 40 cars.

Gran Turismo is a game for everyone. OR else, every game that exist is not a game for everyone.

 

[realp912]

GT5P was half the price. Of course. That was an half game. And for almost anyone outside PD fanboys, it was crap.

It wasn't that bad lol. I actually had fun with the game despite the fact it was pretty much a demo.

 

[fredyellowone]

[...it was pretty much a demo.

 

[Oyashiro-sama]

Gran Turismo is a game for everyone. OR else, every game that exist is not a game for everyone.

Can you explain why GT5Prologue was crap then?

Game Physics: One of the most realistic for it's time.
Graphics: Good
Also: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III features 16-player online races, over 70 cars (including tuned cars), 6 tracks, 12 layouts, a 60 frames per second frame rate (during races, replays are displayed at 30 frames per second).

Alright, the tracks are too few, but even so calling it crap is a bit unfair...

 

[fredyellowone]

Can you explain why GT5Prologue was crap then?

Game Physics: One of the most realistic for it's time.
Graphics: Good
Also: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Spec III features 16-player online races, over 70 cars (including tuned cars), 6 tracks, 12 layouts, a 60 frames per second frame rate (during races, replays are displayed at 30 frames per second).

Alright, the tracks are too few, but even so calling it crap is a bit unfair...

As far as I'm concerned, GT series always had the best graphics and physics around. But that's all. GT5P had the same flaws that GT5 had, and that GT4 had before it, but with half the features.

 

[sonicy]

OP is a foool. Looks cheap?? ps4 is the sleekest console design ever. You are taking a few isolated issues from launch manufacturing and trying to twist it as cheap design???? please. The graphics in motion look amazing. NF4 and killzone make ps3 games look very dated.

keep telling yourself this to make yourself think you are not missing out.

lets not forget how slow ps3 XMB is. PS4 OS, is fast, responsive. Can switch back and froth from apps, to game in a second.

Media is getting patched in.

LoL why bcos its slanted on angle angle? You can make poop look sleek too by cutting it on an angle with a knife.

If you actually think the console is itself is well built then I envy your ignorant bliss.

Sony purposely slowed down PSN store usability for the ps3 with an update to make ps4 look better. Its so bad it runs at 1 fps and after a few minutes use almost stops responding, whereas it used to work perfectly before the update. They do it to make the new thing its going to be compared to look that much better. Like Going up to ICS from Gingerbread on the Samsing Galaxy S2 when SGS 3 is coming out. The update made the SGS 2 phone painfully slow to use.


lol sleekest console design ever. HAHAHAhAHAh just remenissing on the time you said that.

 

[somebodysb2]

Yes. Launch AAA first-party titles are inevitably rushed. And you also don't have to be an early adopter (enjoy price drops, avoid initial equipment failure, etc.).

I'd probably get a PS4 when the slim variant comes out. By then, there'll be a kickass game lineup to choose from, all of kinks and bugs would be ironed out, I'd enjoy a console with even lower power consumption and noise levels, etc.

Really I don't have the time anymore to invest into serious gaming and thus I can only bring myself to buy a new games console when it reaches a certain level of polish.

 

[sonicy]

sleekest design ever.

 

[88GTA]

I'm very excited that I don't need to spend money on another system.

$60 for the best Gran Turismo yet? No problem.

@fredyellowone
Awesome avatar.

 

[fredyellowone]

I'm very excited that I don't need to spend money on another system.

$60 for the best Gran Turismo yet? No problem.

@fredyellowone
Awesome avatar.

Thanks. That is my car.

 

[88GTA]

^ Sweet! I've had 3 and I miss them all.

 

[somebodysb2]

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I think it looks quite respectable. But the PS3 Super Slim is by far the prettiest.

 

[fredyellowone]

The PS3 super slim is the worst looking console of all time, actually.

 

[APIOQM]

Do you guys reckon once GT7 is finally released on PS4, that seasonal events will be restricted to users who have paid for the PSN service? Perhaps this change does not only pertain to online lobby.

 

[THA JABBERWOCKY]

Well I have ps4 money and more, plus I brought a ps4 midnight drop that is now sitting next to my ps3 that's also still hooked up.

I wish it was on ps4 because it would probably be just better.

I think a lot of people are giving an excuse not to buy a ps4 though.

I like bf4 and that's why I got my ps4. It's blows on ps3

 

[sayba2th]

I am of the opinion that GT7 will truly be the landmark GT game that we have been waiting for. So with the console already being in the hands of developers for some time now already and GT7 18-24mths away and Kaz already stating that the PS4 is a blank canvas for being able to develop content means that we should see the series have the most drastic evolution ever. So in this respect with GT6 being on the 3 it allows them the time required to be able to able to deliver an opus so for me in this respect I am not overly concerned GT6 is not on PS4.

 

[OpticZero]

Yes, because I don't want to spend $400 to play GT6...and "no", GT is not the only game I play, but it is my favorite. I can now hold off until they work out the bugs of the PS4 and still play GT.

 

[Bluntified]

LoL why bcos its slanted on angle angle? You can make poop look sleek too by cutting it on an angle with a knife.

If you actually think the console is itself is well built then I envy your ignorant bliss.

Sony purposely slowed down PSN store usability for the ps3 with an update to make ps4 look better. Its so bad it runs at 1 fps and after a few minutes use almost stops responding, whereas it used to work perfectly before the update. They do it to make the new thing its going to be compared to look that much better. Like Going up to ICS from Gingerbread on the Samsing Galaxy S2 when SGS 3 is coming out. The update made the SGS 2 phone painfully slow to use.


lol sleekest console design ever. HAHAHAhAHAh just remenissing on the time you said that.

Couldnt stop laughing at this non sense, you speculate way too much.

 

[elston87]

With Gran Turismo 6 being on the PlayStation3, this continues PD's tradition of two main installments per console. I hope it continues to be that way; I'll be able to enjoy a franchise on the same console with two installments every few years. I thought Grand Theft Auto V was going to be the best title on PS3 for me, but in my opinion Gran Turismo 6 will be the console's swan song~

 

[pestre]

I would prefer it to be on PS4, but I'm fine with it coming only to PS3. The positiv side of this, is that they have plenty of time for the GT7 release on PS4, instead of rushing GT6 within the PS4 release.

 

[disneyland5]

I'm fine either way. I can play both PS3 and PS4. Besides, they kind of don't have a choice anyways. Those standard cars on PS4 would be unnacceptable. The sound as well.

 

[sonicy]

Couldnt stop laughing at this non sense, you speculate way too much.

I have some nice chuckles too over how stupid people are. Here's an example. Anyone with half a brain would immediately see in fact this game looks like utter ****, worse than most ps3 games and on par with dreamcast graphics, and yet somehow the guy playing it is in a state of trance and is blown away by what he sees simpiy because its "next gen" Like I said you could get a fresh turd call it next gen and people will be impressed.



lol @ the whole game but especially 2 min looking at the ugly truck and being blown away and 2 :18 in the shurbs that make counter strike sprites look real. He also specifically likes the textures even hough they are the worst textures I've seen since about 1999, on par with on Unreal tournament.

As for the PSN store, its not speculation. The old PSN store was way better and faster in every aspect. Absolutely no reason whatsoever to introduce a crappier slower PSN experience. Only way you would be excused form not knowing this is if your only a few months old.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/play...-slow-the-coders-should-be-fired-no-29331786/

 

[Bluntified]

@sonicy

Truth be told, PSN has ALWAYS been laggy, for me that is. I've never had a solid experience with it.

As for the graphics part, you can't look at one game footage from YouTube and justify it. I've been playing AC Black Flag on PS4, its blown my mind. You cannot sit there and tell me other wise as my buddy has the PS3 version and the differences are night and day.

So say whatever you want about PS4 owners, just don't sulk in hatred toward them.

Edit, your link is BS, its from 10 monthsago when tthey first introduced the new store, what does that prove?

 

[Lain]

LoL why bcos its slanted on angle angle? You can make poop look sleek too by cutting it on an angle with a knife.

If you actually think the console is itself is well built then I envy your ignorant bliss.

Sony purposely slowed down PSN store usability for the ps3 with an update to make ps4 look better. Its so bad it runs at 1 fps and after a few minutes use almost stops responding, whereas it used to work perfectly before the update. They do it to make the new thing its going to be compared to look that much better. Like Going up to ICS from Gingerbread on the Samsing Galaxy S2 when SGS 3 is coming out. The update made the SGS 2 phone painfully slow to use.


lol sleekest console design ever. HAHAHAhAHAh just remenissing on the time you said that.

I sincerely doubt you own a PS4, so how exactly have you gotten so much hands-on time with it to determine that it was made poorly? The way you talk about how terribly it's made, I'd swear that you must've taken apart a PS4 and saw that everything was held together with duct tape, if not a few hundred to make sure that the duct taped ones weren't just flukes.

But clearly you haven't done any of that. So frankly, you're just coming off as a troll or a fanboy of another platform who doesn't know what he's talking about in the slightest.

 

[Metfanant]

So I've just had a look at the Playstation 4 in some depth after the US launch, and I have to say the console as a whole is a letdown. No Video or audio playback, no picture viewing, the hardware itself lacks charisma and looks cheap because it is cheap (so cheap it has HDMI problems, DOA etc).

You can tell Sony really cut costs with the PS4 from the get go instead of launching a cost cut version many years down the line. Feels like a PS4 super slim. I'd hate to see how bad the ps4 super slim really will be if its even possible to make one cheaper than the PS4 as it is.

In compassion the launch PS3 looks like James bond. The build quality of the launch PS3 is many orders of magnitude greater.

Moving on, the graphics look not that big of a step up. And we now have to pay for PSN Plus to play online games. I knew it was going to happen, as when PSN came out it needed to establish new ground so it was free, but still worth mentioning as a step back for gamers.

I wanted GT6 on PS4 as well, but to be honest I now appreciate the PS3 that much more as a serious and more well rounded console and glad we get another GT game on it to spend some more time with it. The PS4 seems like a spoilt little annoying brat in comparison. I will eventually get it for the next GT game, but I'm glad I can avoid for a little longer.

I'm glad we get to enjoy at least a few good years GT6 on the ps3 before ps4 takes over and they surely pull plug on free ps3 PSN and GT6 online.

first of all...lets get things straight on this "cheap" "HDMI problems" "DOA" nonsense....Sony sold through over 1 million consoles in 24hours in the US and Canada alone...even if there were 10,000 dead consoles (there isnt) that would be a 1% failure rate....which is WELL under accepted failure rates for consumer electronics...

i promise your tune about the graphics will change the moment you see the first screenshot of GT7...

 

[sonicy]

@sonicy

Truth be told, PSN has ALWAYS been laggy, for me that is. I've never had a solid experience with it.

As for the graphics part, you can't look at one game footage from YouTube and justify it. I've been playing AC Black Flag on PS4, its blown my mind. You cannot sit there and tell me other wise as my buddy has the PS3 version and the differences are night and day.

So say whatever you want about PS4 owners, just don't sulk in hatred toward them.

Edit, your link is BS, its from 10 monthsago when tthey first introduced the new store, what does that prove?

Truth be told nothing you have said has much merit or is plain wrong. It wasn't always as laggy for me, and millions of other people. The new one is clearly a disaster compared to the old one.

Also I wont bother making any more points after this as you clearly dont get anything and forcus on something entirely beside the point.

IF that link was too old here is one from August 2013

http://www.ps3trophies.org/forum/ps3-discussion/169549-playstation-store-slow.html

Septemeber 2013

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/927750-playstation-3/67335951

Do you want one from every month and all the colors or something?


Yes I can look at youtube footage to determine what a game looks like for the most part. 1080P is more than enough to get more than a good idea. It has worked with every other game or video footage and suddenly doesn't now? I am aware youtube vidoes are compressed. I am taking that into consideration. If anything the game will look even worse with better quality as it will show its flaws more clearly. Its like seeing a date on 1080p on youtube thinking they are hideous and then expecting them to be flawless in real life..

Not sulking hatred toward PS4 owners. I don't even know what that means. Just telling you PS4 is a lot ******* than it should/could have been and is easily the biggest let down so far. I felt PS2 was a bit under-powered as well at launch but that's the most successful console ever so it certainly doesn't mean PS4 will not be successful, In fact I think it will be and I hope it is. Xbox one is also a joke with its Kinect push bs.

I sincerely doubt you own a PS4, so how exactly have you gotten so much hands-on time with it to determine that it was made poorly? The way you talk about how terribly it's made, I'd swear that you must've taken apart a PS4 and saw that everything was held together with duct tape, if not a few hundred to make sure that the duct taped ones weren't just flukes.

But clearly you haven't done any of that. So frankly, you're just coming off as a troll or a fanboy of another platform who doesn't know what he's talking about in the slightest.

Don't own a PS4. No plans to buy one as Have no reason to until GT7. Not sure if trolling just having some fun with sharing my views. IF something I like comes out I may get a ps4. Yes I've sen one taken apart. The design is great just the materials aren't that good. Its quite straightforward and simple inside.

I think most if not everything I have said has been correct, the rest of it is just opinion.

Cheers

 

[sonicy]

first of all...lets get things straight on this "cheap" "HDMI problems" "DOA" nonsense....Sony sold through over 1 million consoles in 24hours in the US and Canada alone...even if there were 10,000 dead consoles (there isnt) that would be a 1% failure rate....which is WELL under accepted failure rates for consumer electronics...

i promise your tune about the graphics will change the moment you see the first screenshot of GT7...

Lol do you also believe in the tooth fairy? You actually believed Sony when they told you they are isolated incidents? Lol. Ofcourse they will say that. 70 pages of DOA or dead consoles within a day or two.



Compared to 178 pages of good ones. Thats more than 1/3 if you go off amazon alone. Sure the unhappy owners are more likely to write a review, so the real figure is nowhere near, but that you think the failure rate is low and normal for consumer electronics is nonsense.