Anyone like GTO?

Originally posted by miata13B
The original Hemis' my friend :D
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Yes, but oddly we live in 2004, not the 1960s, and people actually enjoy refinement.

I hate anybody who wants to force a 1960s engine on us at 2004 gas prices - leave it to a 14-year-old to propose such an idea (as we've done with Nissan_Racer)
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Yes, but oddly we live in 2004, not the 1960s, and people actually enjoy refinement.

I hate anybody who wants to force a 1960s engine on us at 2004 gas prices - leave it to a 14-year-old to propose such an idea (as we've done with Nissan_Racer)
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I agree, I mean any refined 2004 person wants a 8 liter engine car with whale skin interior while driving at 110mph, scarfing grease filled cheeseburgers and fries. . .
 
Nissan Racer just because its aussie doesnt mine its weak. Australian cars have changed outlet over the years, I read on forums that the GTO is better then most new american cars, they say its built better.
 
Originally posted by The Porko
Nissan Racer just because its aussie doesnt mine its weak. Australian cars have changed outlet over the years, I read on forums that the GTO is better then most new american cars, they say its built better.
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i wasnt saying that aussie cars are weak its just the car its selv is weak to american standards, american roads and austraillian roads are diffrent, the ride of the car is rougher than it should be because aussie roads are smoother and less "bumpy", when gm brought the gto over here they didnt have much time to tweak the suspention or this or that because they had deadlines, i feel that when gm gets a chance to refine the gto it will be a better car.
 
Originally posted by Nissan_Racer
i wasnt saying that aussie cars are weak its just the car its selv is weak to american standards, american roads and austraillian roads are diffrent, the ride of the car is rougher than it should be because aussie roads are smoother and less "bumpy", when gm brought the gto over here they didnt have much time to tweak the suspention or this or that because they had deadlines, i feel that when gm gets a chance to refine the gto it will be a better car.
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Less bumby? u should see sydney roads, pot holes as far as the eye can see, and then theres the country roads were aint excatly perfect.:P
 
Originally posted by The Porko
Less bumby? u should see sydney roads, pot holes as far as the eye can see, and then theres the country roads were aint excatly perfect.:P
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i know the chassis and the suspention isnt set up just right for american roads, maby american roads are smoother (or less bumby lol) but i know that the chassis and suspention arent right, they will work the kinks out as they move along with production, but right now it is not the car i hoped for, as with any other car the first year or so they see what is right and wrong with their vehicles so the later models are more refined.


I was saying that the motor wasnt powerfull enough to propel the boat of a car to what previous thoughts about this car would lead you to believe, i thought that the car itself was to big for the engine, i just think that gm missed on this years gto, maby they should rethink some things, and give us a 8.0 v12 if we want it, i wasnt saying it should come with the v8 standard.
 
Originally posted by Nissan_Racer
give us a 8.0 v12 if we want it, i wasnt saying it should come with the v8 standard.
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Who the hell would buy it if had an 8.0L V12? Yours is a pretty typical middle-schooler's viewpoint taking performance over economics. Manufacturers like to turn a profit, oddly.

Plus, wasn't the point of the original GTO to drop a huge engine into a normal-looking car? Seems this is just like that - Newsweek's car journalist says his friends kept asking if it was a rental - until they took a ride.
 
Nissan_Racer, have you ever been or driven a monaro/GTO?. i have and the standard LS1 doesnt have probs pushing it around, and with some small engine tweaks the standard LS1 puts out quite alot of power.
and for a dead standard large car these days high 13's or low 14's is pretty damn good.


dont expect GM to have to same attitude as they did in the 60's with the original GTO, where they putting 7.5L (455ci) engines in. not many people these days want a engine that size, with that sort of fuel consumtion, when they could have a powerfull LS1 which will use alot less fuel


also have you been to australia and america?. i have and IMHO US roads are a fair bit smoother than ours.
 
ive read on the holden LS1 forum with ppl just having extractors, exhurst and LS1 edit, they got around 220rwkw which is pretty dam good.
 
yeah, extractors, the right exhaust, intake, 80mm throttle body, LS1 edit, roller rockers (LS1's love roller rockers) at you have no problem getting at least 300+Kw's 220+rwKw's
 
I'm actually quite a fan of the new GTO. I find it to be a very tasteful design (which is great when you look at some of the tacky add ons that Pontiacs have worn recently) and its a genuine performer.

When you put it in the company of BMW 330ci's, Infiniti G35's, and Mercedes-Benz CLK320's you see it's a stand-out in performance in its class and is a great value. No, the car isn't as rorty as the new Mustang. However, save for the limited edition Judge GTO's and the infamous Royal Bobcat GTO's, the classic Pontiac musclecar never was in the same bed as Mustang.

In fact, the GTO was a performance AND luxury trim level on the Tempest/Le Mans. Tempest was basic economy. Le Mans was luxury. GTO was performance and luxury.

The new GTO is a spiritual successor to the stylish and refined GTO's of 1964-1967. It's out there road racing, building a name for itself by going up against its other near-luxury sport coupe competitors and winning. Don't be surprised if by the time the 2nd generation of the new GTO rolls around the car is a sales success with steady regular sales. Bob Lutz is making a car that'll last long beyond retro styling hype dies off (for reference, see PT Cruiser, Thunderbird, New Beetle) and will become the top end of a whole range of cars.
 
M5Power
The 5.7 from the Corvette is a 'weak motor'? Why do they let you post here? And what cars have 6.0L engines?
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I'm assuming from the general disbelief here that no one knows anything about the new 6.0 L 2005 vette. Which I find rather odd coming from people discussing a GM car, but that's cool. Not that I'm excusing calling the LS1 5.7 weak--only haters call the vette engine weak. But you're bugged they didn't put the new vette engine in it? When has any company EVER put their brand new, top-o-the-line engine in anything but their new car? EVER noticed that GM detunes the vette's motor when they put it in anything but a vette? So, you're disappointed the stock GTO was making the same HP as the stock (non-Z06) vette? Man, what ARE you smoking?
Now that the Z06 7.0L is out for next year, yeah, in '07 maybe we'll all get a judge with the 6.0L, and even better odds for every year after that.
But I think GM's trying to win the bang-for-your-buck (or pound or euro) in all categories. Layla's Keeper is dead on--I've quit dreaming about a G35 and started saving my pennies for a new GTO.
 
Love the new GTO's, the 2004's were the first model year, not the best, but pretty good. The 2005 is up there with the big boys. Faster than $80,000 mercedes, for $33k. Oh and the GTO is also faster than the Mustang, in all categories except slalom times.
 
^^OK...the mustang is like $25,000 and the GTO is $33,000. Thats not even the same price bracket. But yes, the GTO is an awesome car that doesn't get the respect it deserves.
 
^^OK...the mustang is like $25,000 and the GTO is $33,000. Thats not even the same price bracket. But yes, the GTO is an awesome car that doesn't get the respect it deserves.
 
The GTO is a cool car, i'll give it that. But I don't think it was worthy of the GTO badge, i mean Pontiac could have just brought the Monaro over and switched the wheel position and they probably would have sold more, hell look at how well the G6 is selling because of a commercial that was the most missleading piece of crap every.
Seriously the GTO looks like an every day rental car, but it's still got "GTO" all over it so there's no mistaking it for anything else. I don't know what my gripe is, I just know that there is one.
Pontiac can work a crowd can't they?
 
Nissan_Racer
the new gto is a holden, thats all it is is a holden with american badges, it has a weak motor, the chassis is weak, they really messed up the gto, i would have expected a 6.0 V8 with 400hp, i think gm messed up on a potential gold mine.
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why does everyone automaticaly think displacement is all there is to power, Ford Australia's BOSS V8 produces 290Kw with 5.4 litres(although it is heavy).. But I do think GM made a mistake by not putting the 300kw (400hp) callaway treaked powerplant in the GTO that is in the australian HSV GTS (oh and its also a 5.7 V8). But thats all in the past now with the 6 litre genIV now available. But once again displacement isnt power, although it certaintly helps.
 
Ok, here's my take on this.

I think GTO is an American icon, an legend. While the new GTO is an great car, it's an Holden. It looks nothing like GTO IMO. When I look at the new GTO, I see an bad-a** Australian muscle car instead.

If I was in charge of Pontiac, I would've called this car something else. Maybe even, Pontiac Holden. Instead of maketing it as an GTO comeback, I'd have marketed it as an super rare import from Australia, being sold as an Pontiac. Portray it as Australia's Skyline GT-R, Mad Max car. I gurantee you, Pontiac would have sold more "GTO" this way.

I hear the GTO is selling very poorly. It's not because of the car IMO. :)
 
I think it's selling bad because it doesn't stand out.
The F bodies stood out, The Mustang stands out, hell even the Vibe and Aztek stood out, but of all the cars to name the GTO they name the most mundane and simplistic looking car in their fleet.
Makes no sense.
 
[FPV]Rusty
Mad Max car??? that was Ford Falcon XC coupe. the old Monaros and the Falcon coupe made natural enemies
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:ouch: Sorry, that wasn't exatctly what I meant. I love the movie, but I have no idea what kind of cars were used in it. I just meant, Mad Max type car, etc.
 
Oh....I saw GTO, and thought...Great Teacher Onizuka......I was gonna have to say, "Yeah I like GTO, it r0x0rz my b0x0rz right off of my c0x0rz!!!!!11!!!one!!!@!"
 
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I think it's selling bad because it doesn't stand out.
The F bodies stood out, The Mustang stands out, hell even the Vibe and Aztek stood out, but of all the cars to name the GTO they name the most mundane and simplistic looking car in their fleet.
Makes no sense.
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thats why it think its bad to try and re-establish an american icon with an australian design, the looks of local designed and made cars down under is more clean, & sophisticated kind of look. In Australia it is considered to be one of the most beautiful shaped cars on the road. But in America any car thats not a big SUV has wild overstated style to try and draw attention from the massive pickups that are so popular in the US, although thats jsut my opinion.
 
I say it time and time again, the original GTO's were clean, understated, sophisticated designs. Hell, the garish Carousel Red paint schemes with the spoilers and scoops and hood mounted tachometers didn't come until 1969.

Take a look at GTO from 1964 to 1967. Tell me, where does the wild styling you people kvetch over EVER enter the equation with "real" GTO's.

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1964

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1965

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1966

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So, anyone care to share what these gussied up Tempests have that the new car doesn't?
 

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