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Should we make a new thread called Persian Winter?Why is Iran being talked about in a thread about Arab Spring.
Should we make a new thread called Persian Winter?Why is Iran being talked about in a thread about Arab Spring.
Really, "Color Revolution" or "revolutionary wave" subsumes all or almost all the uprisings since 1986. The role of NGOs in fomenting all these uprisings is of notable importance.Should we make a new thread called Persian Winter?
Should we make a new thread called Persian Winter?
Thanks for that. Colour Revolutions eh, first I've heard of all of them being lumped together. Interesting. My tinfoil hat is in its box, screaming "PUT ME ON!!!" I'll leave it for a whileReally, "Color Revolution" or "revolutionary wave" subsumes all or almost all the uprisings since 1986. The role of NGOs in fomenting all these uprisings is of notable importance.
from wikipedia:
Colour revolution (sometimes called the coloured revolution) or color revolution is a term that was widely used by worldwide media[1] to describe various related movements that developed in several countries in the former Soviet Union and the Balkans during the early 2000s. The term has also been applied to a number of revolutions elsewhere, including in the Middle East. Some observers (such as Justin Raimondo and Michael Lind) have called the events a revolutionary wave, the origins of which can be traced back to the 1986 People Power Revolution (also known as the "Yellow Revolution") in the Philippines.
Participants in the colour revolutions have mostly used nonviolent resistance, also called civil resistance. Such methods as demonstrations, strikes and interventions have been intended protest against governments seen as corrupt and/or authoritarian, and to advocate democracy; and they have also created strong pressure for change. These movements generally adopted a specific colour or flower as their symbol. The colour revolutions are notable for the important role of non-governmental organisations (NGOs) and particularly student activists in organising creative non-violent resistance.
Such movements have had a measure of success, as for example in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia's Bulldozer Revolution (2000), in Georgia's Rose Revolution (2003), and in Ukraine's Orange Revolution (2004). In most but not all cases, massive street protests followed disputed elections, or requests for fair elections, and led to the resignation or overthrow of leaders considered by their opponents to be authoritarian. Some events have been called "color revolutions" but are different from the above cases in certain basic characteristics. Examples include Lebanon's Cedar Revolution(2005); and Kuwait's Blue Revolution (2005).
The Iran revolution of '79 was the opposite of a color revolution. The color revolutions were all about installing pro-western pseudo-democracies. In '79, the pro-western Shah was run out and replaced by Islamists.Some genuine questions. Would Iran's revolution in 1978 not be part of the Colour Revolutions? Too early?
And then they held us hostage for a while, lets go meddle some more I think it's time to step up our gameIn '79, the pro-western Shah was run out and replaced by Islamists.
To be brutally fair, 3 of the 4 countries in the thread title also aren't Arab.Why is Iran being talked about in a thread about Arab Spring.
No, they all are.To be brutally fair, 3 of the 4 countries in the thread title also aren't Arab.
No, that's a different thing. What happened in 2014 wasn't the Orange Revolution (it was 10 years before). They call it a "Pride Revolution" (Revolyutsiya hidnosti).I must be mistaken, but I thought the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine was only just a couple of years ago? Or like, last year?
The Orange Revolution in 2004, that led Viktor Yuschenko to power, was peaceful and bloodless, AFAIK. But the next one was much different. It started in 2013 as a peaceful protest ("Euromaidan"), when president Yanukovich rejected the association agreement with EU. The agreement was unprofitable for Ukraine, but none of the protestors even read it. Slowly, the protests were about to end, but then...The recent one's, I've definitely heard a few conspiracies about whether or not the protests were genuine. Seems like no one can have a good'ol uprising these days without someone else coming along and saying "they're faking it."
Small aside...but how are Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt considered Arab Countries? They're in Africa, separated from Arabia by the Red Sea.No, they all are.
Small aside...but how are Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt considered Arab Countries? They're in Africa, separated from Arabia by the Red Sea.
Hmm, I always went with the notion that Arab countries were countries on the Arabian Penensula. Apparently it's more like a Super Best Friends Club that anyone can join.
This smells close to the ugly truth as can be feared. A decision has been taken that all important Shiite regimes must go, no matter what they did or didn't do with respect to any law, treaty or moral code. Peace will be brought to the Muslim world simply through the democratic tyranny of the majority Sunni - and the heavy thumb of allies of convenience (that would be us).People making statements like "America, Israel, and Saudi Arabi (talk about the unholy alliance ) do terrible things, so they should shut the hell up about other people's terrible things." I mean, I get the foundations of that arguement, but that seems really elementary.
I can give you Trudeau's statement in advance if you like:I did come across one tweet, completely unverified, which said that part of the reason Trudeau had yet to say anything, especially regarding the women's rights aspect of this, was because Bombardier has a deal to sell a few airplanes to the Mullahs. Like I said, completely unverified, but that would not surprise me for one second
To me, this is the kicker of all this. In 2018, Progressives work to promote International Hijab Day (coming up Feb 1), whilst Conservatives, led by Donald J Trump, are given the opportunity to act as the champions of women's rights.
Oh Hatter, more tea, why thank you.
Sorry Alice...the use of women's rights as a political bargaining chip...you were saying?
I can give you Trudeau's statement in advance if you like:
We uuhh are very aware uhhhh of the protests and we support the uuuhhh right of everyone to uuhh protest but they must remain uuhh peaceful and all parties must uuuhh work together on solutions that uuhhh work for everyone.
No. The US and allies have used false flag attacks in the past to justify previous interventions and wars of acquisition. Should that continue? Yes, for the time being. Sun Tzu, Machiavelli and all sound military doctrine stand in agreement. The ends justify the means. Might makes right. That said, in the long run, Russia may be a better ally for the US than Britain.After the latest 'gas attack' , where Britain and the US were quickly to blame Assad, because of reasonable doubt, Russia does a 'no u' and says that they have evidence that the Brits are behind the attack.
*popcorn*
Will Trump bomb London if the evidence holds up?
No. The US and allies have used false flag attacks in the past to justify previous interventions and wars of acquisition. Should that continue? Yes, for the time being. Sun Tzu, Machiavelli and all sound military doctrine stand in agreement. The ends justify the means. Might makes right. That said, in the long run, Russia may be a better ally for the US than Britain.
Ordinarily I might say attack first and ask questions later. But if we want to be sincere for just moment, I will admit that I called the White House comment line this morning and expressed my opposition to the US war in Syria. For US citizens, the number to call is 202-456-1414. I had to wait on hold about 5 minutes, as the lines are pretty busy, even early in the morning.Perhaps, just perhaps this one time, those ****ers in London and Washington should provide actual evidence, delivered by independent researchers, before trying a stunt like this again.
Syria.What are they bombing, exactly?
Ordinarily I might say attack first and ask questions later.
There's no proof that Britain didn't do it. Therefore, it is highly likely that the UK was behind the chemical attack.After the latest 'gas attack' , where Britain and the US were quickly to blame Assad, because of reasonable doubt, Russia does a 'no u' and says that they have evidence that the Brits are behind the attack.
*popcorn*
Will Trump bomb London if the evidence holds up?
There's no proof that Britain didn't do it. Therefore, it is highly likely that the UK was behind the chemical attack.
Russia won't allow British experts to take part in the investigation. Britain should go away and shut up.
FTFYWarmongers bombingbeforebecause a proper investigation was due to start today...