Assetto corsa coming to PS4 and Xbox one

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Georgeagea
On another note, I think the guys mentioning SEASON PASS are right, if we want to be honest to ourselves!

A season pass means that you get ALL DLCs and expansions, whether currently available or future ones! That's how it is wildly known/accepted and how other games/devs are treating it!

It really sucks to pay now for the RTR and the upcoming Ferrari 70th birthday pack!

Now, as much as I like AC and would like to support them, I'm giving it some thoughts before buying the RTR! And that's mainly because of the price!
10$ may look cheap but it isn't, especially when we have payed already too much for the game and the season pass!
Besides, it doesn't look cheap when there are some games available for ~12 to 15$ on sales! Full games at that price!

I think they should really price it lower than that or at least give "season pass owners" some special price!
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I do share your sentiments here. As I will (probably) be playing AC only for the next week I can't see the point (at this stage) of paying for any more DLC. Also, I do think the long suffering console users deserve a bit of free stuff for sticking around for as long as what we did.

One thing I do like about PD is all the DLC in GT5/6 was free download.

As much as I do like driving AC all my friends have abandoned it (long ago) and we will have to wait and see which of the new crop of games has the better online. BTW Good physics will only get you so far ;-)
 
TT92
I do share your sentiments here. As I will (probably) be playing AC only for the next week I can't see the point (at this stage) of paying for any more DLC. Also, I do think the long suffering console users deserve a bit of free stuff for sticking around for as long as what we did.

One thing I do like about PD is all the DLC in GT5/6 was free download.

As much as I do like driving AC all my friends have abandoned it (long ago) and we will have to wait and see which of the new crop of games has the better online. BTW Good physics will only get you so far ;-)
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Mmmmm GT5 got quite some paid DLC packs with cars and tracks like space kart or Spa....not all was free, and i think that for the GTS there will be some paid DLC also.

About season pass of assetto... honestly.... They said from past August on launch what would contain the season pass.

More than one game only give post realese support during the first year.
And RTR DLC is launched in start of the second year...

If kunos simulazioni in the past day wouldn't said what was coming in the Season Pass i would understand the whining....

They don't obligate anyone to buy DLC content...
 
So, finally got to play AC last night and decided to try a short race against the new AI.

It's very interesting and definitely much more "life-like". You do get a feeling that you have some "company" now, instead of some stupid bots driving around like a train.

What I liked the most:

- How they spread around the track, instead of keeping just one line (train-like);
- How they stay side-by-side and try to keep their place, even during braking and mid-corner;
- How they seem to hold a grudge when we make some kind of contact with them - they return more aggressive;
- In general, they "feel" human, with their erratic movements and natural spread.

What I didn't care for:

- How they sometimes (and I mean only sometimes) they would give up. I did another race with different cars and had a much faster car pass me, only to then start braking in front of me and keeping my rhythm (instead of keep going and gaining terrain);
- How they would come to a halt if I stopped/crashed in the middle of the track;
- How they sometimes wouldn't understand that they were side-by-side (and take an alternative inside/outside line) and would end up going against you.

Still a lot of experimenting to do, of course. And I've noticed that different classes mean different aggression levels.

Might try to create a custom championship and see how it goes.


I don't like to post videos here, but thought this to be relevant:



Opponent Level: Alien
Opponent Agression: 85%
Tyres: Default
Mechanical Damage: 50%
Track: Green
 
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Donnced
If kunos simulazioni in the past day wouldn't said what was coming in the Season Pass i would understand the whining....
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Again it's not whining and yes we are not forced to buy it! But it's rather logic!
Season pass = your ticket to pass the whole season of the game, which usually means EVERY DLC of that game!

It's not me who says that, it's how the gaming devs/industry treats it! Go browse the PS store and see for yourself! Every Season pass is the sum of all existing and future DLC, except in Assetto corsa. At least that's what I observed.
Yes they stated it, but they simply should not have called it "season pass", maybe DLC pack/bundle!
 
The "season pass it's widely known it contains all the DLC content" argument it's at the same level of "it's wildy known that a racing game should have leaderboards". That kind of behaviour gives the users the ability for always complaining no matter how the developer performs, which is totally unfair and unreasonable.

The Season Pass content was stated since the first day very clearly. This is not a "small print" of banks, the content that was coming with the season pass was in capital letters in the second paragraph of the description on the PSN store.

And if we want to get in the game "What is widely known", Season means year. All the DLC in the first year have been included on the Season pass. Most devs develop the game for one year and then they stop releasing content: that's why their season pass includes all the content.

The price of the DLC is more than fair: compared to the other packs (the price per car it's more expensive than the japanesse pack but cheaper than the porsche ones) and compared to other games. Kunos makes arguably the best content on racing games, and still they are one of the cheapest on the PSN store (at the level of PCars).
 
Georgeagea
Again it's not whining and yes we are not forced to buy it! But it's rather logic!
Season pass = your ticket to pass the whole season of the game, which usually means EVERY DLC of that game!

It's not me who says that, it's how the gaming devs/industry treats it! Go browse the PS store and see for yourself! Every Season pass is the sum of all existing and future DLC, except in Assetto corsa. At least that's what I observed.
Yes they stated it, but they simply should not have called it "season pass", maybe DLC pack/bundle!
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Sorry but I have to disagree, plenty of titles have had seasons passes that do not cover all of the DLC that get released for a title.

It happens with Battlefield, it happens with COD, its happens with R6S, its happened with Forza, its happened with DriveClub.

R6S has had two season passes for it since launch, each one covering a year of content. Driveclub released DLC that was chargeable after the season pass (bikes being the big one), COD BO3 is still getting DLC (including this week) that isn't covered by the season pass, and COD and R6S also offer a massive amount of chargeable cosmetic items that do not get included in the Season Passes. Battlefield has never included unlock packs in its season passes, you have to pay extra for them. The Forza 4 season pass didn't cover the Porsche packs. All that is off the top of my head, I'm quite sure plenty of others exist that I've forgotten about.

No such thing as a 'standard' version of a season pass exists within the industry, and as such its upon the buyer to check what is going to be included, and Kunos / 505 were up front about this from day 1 with the season pass and what it contained.

The industry is quite literally awash with examples of season passes that don't cover all of the DLC that is released for titles, AC is far from alone in this regard and as such the claim that "Every Season pass is the sum of all existing and future DLC, except in Assetto corsa. " is demonstrably untrue.
 
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Georgeagea
Again it's not whining and yes we are not forced to buy it! But it's rather logic!
Season pass = your ticket to pass the whole season of the game, which usually means EVERY DLC of that game!

It's not me who says that, it's how the gaming devs/industry treats it! Go browse the PS store and see for yourself! Every Season pass is the sum of all existing and future DLC, except in Assetto corsa. At least that's what I observed.
Yes they stated it, but they simply should not have called it "season pass", maybe DLC pack/bundle!
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Well, I've got driveclub season pass and not all DLC's where in it also.

And in case of Kunos, if the offer an detailed pass with what it would contain... Don't see the problem, finally it was a discount on the final price if you considered to take all those dlc.

Rainbow six if i am correct has also a pass that ended and was thinking to make a second...

So sorry,but all devs do what they want.
The only thing that they should do is explain what an DLC or season pass will contain, and in the case of assetto's they did from start.

What should PC version guys say... The only "pass" they received is for the 3 Porsche Pack, so they saved a bit of money.

But they have more DLC than us...cause The paid for nurburgring nordschleife, Barcelona, brands Hatch, bonus pack 1 and 2 and triple pack (all content of that is in Assetto for consoles for "free")
 
* 10 cars for 8 EUR, that's less than 1 EUR/car.
* many improvements in the (free) content update accompanying the DLC show that the support for this game is still strong.
* season pass contents were crisp clear, this is obviously not part of it.
* only two real simulation racing game franchises exist on consoles, so far this is the one with hands down the best handling with a wheel.

Instead if complaining about something that is the price of 3 beers, if you love this game and are interested in the DLC pack then buy it and you will support the devs for more possible future content. Or you can always wait until (maybe) at some point in the future the DLC will go on sale.
 
breyzipp
* 10 cars for 8 EUR, that's less than 1 EUR/car.
* many improvements in the (free) content update accompanying the DLC show that the support for this game is still strong.
* season pass contents were crisp clear, this is obviously not part of it.
* only two real simulation racing game franchises exist on consoles, so far this is the one with hands down the best handling with a wheel.

Instead if complaining about something that is the price of 3 beers, if you love this game and are interested in the DLC pack then buy it and you will support the devs for more possible future content. Or you can always wait until (maybe) at some point in the future the DLC will go on sale.
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pt 1, I still stand by this: "10$ may look cheap but it isn't, especially when we have payed already too much for the game and the season pass!
Besides, it doesn't look cheap when there are some games available for ~12 to 15$ on sales! Full games at that price!"
pt 2, I agree!
pt 3, I have to agree although I don't like it (as mentioned in my previous posts).
pt 4, curious to know what are those in your opinion! PC and AC?? coz some include GT (coz GT academy already introduced real life racers that neither AC nor PC did!)
 
TT92
As much as I do like driving AC all my friends have abandoned it (long ago) and we will have to wait and see which of the new crop of games has the better online. BTW Good physics will only get you so far ;-)
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What did they switch to? I was looking on steamdb.info and it says that while PCars has about double the owners (968k vs 543k), AC has more than double the current players (2.8k vs 1.3k, 24 hour peak). I wish we could see similar stats for consoles.
 
Scaff
GT5 DLC wasn't free.

http://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/products/gt5/dlc/
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I was just about to reply to Donnced and apologize for the mis-remembering and getting confused over GT6 with all the stupid Vision cars. I stand corrected. But GT5 DLC was very cheap ;-)

I should also mention I did read exactly what my season pass entitled me to so it is just wishful thinking that Kumos may have given out some freebies ;-)
 
Georgeagea
pt 1, I still stand by this: "10$ may look cheap but it isn't, especially when we have payed already too much for the game and the season pass!
Besides, it doesn't look cheap when there are some games available for ~12 to 15$ on sales! Full games at that price!"
pt 2, I agree!
pt 3, I have to agree although I don't like it (as mentioned in my previous posts).
pt 4, curious to know what are those in your opinion! PC and AC?? coz some include GT (coz GT academy already introduced real life racers that neither AC nor PC did!)
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IMO GT and Forza are simcades at best, AC and PC are the sims yes. Although it's been ages since I played GT6, it could feel a bit more sim-ish than Forza yes.

Just the fact that GT Academy breeds racing drivers doesn't mean it's the best sim out there. But it's great that racing drivers can originate from gaming as well instead of karting so GT Academy is a nice concept.
 
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BrandonW77
Looking at the link Scaff provided, for most of the car packs for GT5 it looks like they were approximately $1/car. AC DLC is usually about $1/car, so I guess AC DLC is very cheap too. :)
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True....The prices of assetto DLCs are good priced, some off them brought laserscaned tracks that aren't cheap to scan and are quite some months of work.

@Georgeagea

Kunos given some free goodies also :)(Silverstone classic, Highlands, cat county, 3 free suv Porsche, masserati suv,audi quattro, Mazda mx5 miata,Mazda 787B.... )
 
Georgeagea
On another note, I think the guys mentioning SEASON PASS are right, if we want to be honest to ourselves!

A season pass means that you get ALL DLCs and expansions, whether currently available or future ones! I how it is wildly known/accepted and how other games/devs are treating it!

It really sucks to pay now for the RTR and the upcoming Ferrari 70th birthday pack!

Now, as much as I like AC and would like to support them, I'm giving it some thoughts before buying the RTR! And that's mainly because of the price!
10$ may look cheap but it isn't, especially when we have payed already too much for the game and the season pass!
Besides, it doesn't look cheap when there are some games available for ~12 to 15$ on sales! Full games at that price!

I think they should really price it lower than that or at least give "season pass owners" some special price!
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You must be living in a different dimension to me then. This has not been widely accepted since the early days of the PS3. A season pass lasts a season, a season does not last for years. Most games life cycle also lasts for a year and the devs know when their next game is out. Assetto could have been supported for 2-5 years if Kunos were not bought out, do you think a £25 season pass should cover 2-5 years of DLC?

TT92
I do share your sentiments here. As I will (probably) be playing AC only for the next week I can't see the point (at this stage) of paying for any more DLC. Also, I do think the long suffering console users deserve a bit of free stuff for sticking around for as long as what we did.

One thing I do like about PD is all the DLC in GT5/6 was free download.

As much as I do like driving AC all my friends have abandoned it (long ago) and we will have to wait and see which of the new crop of games has the better online. BTW Good physics will only get you so far ;-)
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GT5 had a price for terrible DLC (edit: by terrible I was referring to the race mod pack, just saw Scaffs link. Forgot GT5 had all of that DLC.) other than Spa.GT6 free DLC was not for the gamers, it was all promotional content. Much like the Maserati Levante, Porsche SUV's were free in Assetto Corsa.

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So, finally got to play AC last night and decided to try a short race against the new AI.

It's very interesting and definitely much more "life-like". You do get a feeling that you have some "company" now, instead of some stupid bots driving around like a train.

What I liked the most:

- How they spread around the track, instead of keeping just one line (train-like);
- How they stay side-by-side and try to keep their place, even during braking and mid-corner;
- How they seem to hold a grudge when we make some kind of contact with them - they return more aggressive;
- In general, they "feel" human, with their erratic movements and natural spread.

What I didn't care for:

- How they sometimes (and I mean only sometimes) they would give up. I did another race with different cars and had a much faster car pass me, only to then start braking in front of me and keeping my rhythm (instead of keep going and gaining terrain);
- How they would come to a halt if I stopped/crashed in the middle of the track;
- How they sometimes wouldn't understand that they were side-by-side (and take an alternative inside/outside line) and would end up going against you.

Still a lot of experimenting to do, of course. And I've noticed that different classes mean different aggression levels.

Might try to create a custom championship and see how it goes.


I don't like to post videos here, but thought this to be relevant:



Opponent Level: Alien
Opponent Agression: 85%
Tyres: Default
Mechanical Damage: 50%
Track: Green
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Yea they certainly behave better in some cars than others.
 
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BrandonW77
Looking at the link Scaff provided, for most of the car packs for GT5 it looks like they were approximately $1/car. AC DLC is usually about $1/car, so I guess AC DLC is very cheap too. :)
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As I admitted I was suffering "brain fade", I was thinking of all the free Vison cars in GT6. And further to my defense, it was a very, very long time ago ;-)

Outspacer
What did they switch to? I was looking on steamdb.info and it says that while PCars has about double the owners (968k vs 543k), AC has more than double the current players (2.8k vs 1.3k, 24 hour peak). I wish we could see similar stats for consoles.
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My mates went back to GT6 and PCARS because the online is more friendly and you can save replays of whole races which is important when you are discussing the finer points of "racing incidences" ;-)
 
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The price of the DLC is not an issue for me. I grabbed the game at a half price discount (probably because the XBox version was so horribly incomplete at release), so the price of the DLC is only getting me back to full price anyway.

I have always been happy to support the games I enjoy and grab every game add-on I can. I see it far better to help them with the costs of development and patches- rather than let them disappear into oblivion like many current developers.

And I am really loving the game now. Custom championships, new AI, Ready to Race. This game is finally starting to feel awesome!
 
35mm
That would be the best free pack ever!

Where did you read that, by the way?
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Some guy over at the official forums has apparently interviewed Marco at the sim expo. Here's what he said:

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Just came back from Sim-Expo where we had a ~40 Minutes Interview with Marco.

Oh boy, where do I start...

- BMW M6 GT3 won't happen, so it's not a joke :( But there are ongoing negotiations with BMW which Marco didn't explain in detail
- Laguna Seca is laserscanned and is expected for the end of the year
- LS will be part of a Bonus Pack free of charge including cars like Maserati Quattroporte, Alfa Romeo Giulia QV, Alfa Romeo Stradale 33 and more (can't remember the rest right now)
- Audi TT Roadcar which was mentioned in last New Years Blog won't happen because they decided on the Cup Version which was included in RTR Pack
- While legal problems with LS were solved, track designer Simone Trevisiol was busy with other projects which Marco didn't explain further, so no clue if it's AC related.
- Kunos is currently in R&D phase (Research & Development) for the next project. Evaluating the options for a new graphics engine (in house or third party) and other stuff.
- Even if it will be a game located in space it will have Day/Night and rain :D
- There are no plans to bring Fiorano, neither as track nor as showroom

I can't remember everything from the interview but we have filmed the whole thing as well and if the sound is good it will be released soon. Also I saw the guys form Racedepartment interviewing Marco and Stephano so propably there will be an article on R&D about it.

Edit: After the interview we had a quick chat with Stephano and talked about the possibility of further support for booking mode and other stuff. Both were super nice, chilled, and happy to be at the Simexpo. So big thanks @Licensing Master and @Lord Kunos! Hope to see you next year as well.
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If I recall correctly there will be 7 cars in the bonus pack and thanks to ShredatorFIN I remember that the Lamborghini Huracan Performante will be part of it.
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