Assetto Corsa vs. PCars 2 vs GTS: Physics, FFB

[GTWelsh]

nor is the direct use of scan data a guarantee of accuracy (Brands Hatch in GTS for example). Nor does the lack of a scan mean something is inaccurate (Zolder in AC for example).

Looks pretty bang on to me. I'm sure it feels loads different in real life and the virtual FOV effects how it looks, etc, no doubt, but it looks perfect from this video. Done hundreds and hundreds of GTS laps on it.

Unrelated note, going there this year for a motorcycle track day

Sorry for being OT

 

[Scaff]

Looks pretty bang on to me. I'm sure it feels loads different in real life, no doubt, but it looks perfect from this video. Done hundreds and hundreds of GTS laps on it.

Unrelated note, going there this year for a motorcycle track day

Sorry for being OT

When you get their this year Sheene Curves are going to be a nasty surprise coming from GTS!

Well either that or every other title with track in it is wrong.

 

[BrandonW77]

That not what he said in this thread in Dec...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...istic-the-pro-driver-check.371678/#post-12107

He has since said otherwise in another forum, he said they took their previous version which was not scanned and simply adjusted it to mirror the scan data. I'm not claiming it is or isn't accurate as I've not logged more than a couple laps on it, but there has been a bit of a stink surrounding it and others have claimed there are parts that don't jive with other games using the scan data.

 

[Scaff]

He has since said otherwise in another forum, he said they took their previous version which was not scanned and simply adjusted it to mirror the scan data. I'm not claiming it is or isn't accurate as I've not logged more than a couple laps on it, but there has been a bit of a stink surrounding it and others have claimed there are parts that don't jive with other games using the scan data.

Do you have a link to that?

As I said above I spent two hours last night driving the 'ring in PC2 and AC back to back and aside from track art and the surroundings the two too my eye and feel and as good a match for each other as your going to get.

 

[35mm]

I agree with Scaff on Brands Hatch - it's a much more dramatic (read "enjoyable") experience in AC than it is in GT Sport.

Conversely, I actually prefer both AC and GT Sport's version of the Nordschleife over PC2 - the latter somehow feels "off" at places. But I can't really explain why or will claim that one is more accurate than the other.


EDIT: just to be clear, I still prefer AC's version of the Nordschleife over the GT Sport one, because - as it happens with other tracks - the pavement always seems to have been "smoothed out" in GT Sport.

 

[BrandonW77]

Do you have a link to that?

As I said above I spent two hours last night driving the 'ring in PC2 and AC back to back and aside from track art and the surroundings the two too my eye and feel and as good a match for each other as your going to get.

I can't remember which forum it was on, sorry, might have been on the AC forum (don't click on the PCars2 thread there, it's a depressing display of humanity). In my few laps I never noticed anything too out of place either, but I only did a couple laps and wasn't paying much attention. Near enough to not matter IMO, and I wasn't trying to contradict you, was just sharing that info that recently came to light.

 

[Scaff]

I can't remember which forum it was on, sorry, might have been on the AC forum (don't click on the PCars2 thread there, it's a depressing display of humanity). In my few laps I never noticed anything too out of place either, but I only did a couple laps and wasn't paying much attention. Near enough to not matter IMO, and I wasn't trying to contradict you, was just sharing that info that recently came to light.

I have to be honest anything on the AC forum about anything other that AC I'm going to take with a very, very big pinch of salt.

 

[DeadHero]

I can't remember which forum it was on, sorry, might have been on the AC forum (don't click on the PCars2 thread there, it's a depressing display of humanity). In my few laps I never noticed anything too out of place either, but I only did a couple laps and wasn't paying much attention. Near enough to not matter IMO, and I wasn't trying to contradict you, was just sharing that info that recently came to light.

This, maybe? I remember It was posted in the thread you mentioned.

 

[fireball R18]

He has since said otherwise in another forum, he said they took their previous version which was not scanned and simply adjusted it to mirror the scan data. I'm not claiming it is or isn't accurate as I've not logged more than a couple laps on it, but there has been a bit of a stink surrounding it and others have claimed there are parts that don't jive with other games using the scan data.

Sounds pretty crazy but to be honest: I can believe.

 

[BrandonW77]

This, maybe? I remember It was posted in the thread you mentioned.

Yep, that's the one, thanks. Of course that statement's vague enough that it can be interpreted in a number of ways too so who really knows how they built the track. The accuracy of the Nords was the least of my problems with PC2.

 

[ALB123]

I have to be honest anything on the AC forum about anything other that AC I'm going to take with a very, very big pinch of salt.

Uh-oh. Has someone been tellin' porky pies about the other sims in this forum? That's not good for me since this is where I get 99% of my PCars 2 & GTS knowledge.

 

[Scaff]

Uh-oh. Has someone been tellin' porky pies about the other sims in this forum? That's not good for me since this is where I get 99% of my PCars 2 & GTS knowledge.

Not here, the actual AC forums themselves.

 

[BrandonW77]

Not here, the actual AC forums themselves.

Yeah, if you admit to liking anything other than AC the torches and pitchforks tend to come out pretty quickly.

 

[Scaff]

EDIT: On another note, can someone please compare Mount Panorama on GTS and PC2?!
I have the games, but always forget to do so coz my playtime is limited recently.
All I know is that I raced once that track on PC2 and the track felt so blend.
And I raced it once on GTS and OMG how I was blown away with the details and the bumps in the road etc.
Can anyone confirm that?!

Done

 

[35mm]

Done

Already a dislike!?


Anyway, completely agree about the track being bland in GT Sport.

 

[Scaff]

Already a dislike!?


Anyway, completely agree about the track being bland in GT Sport.

The abuse will be along shortly I'm sure, even money on my sexuality to be questioned.

 

[Georgeagea]

Done

Thanks man! That was fast! Added to my watch later! Will watch it when I can and give my feedback on that

 

[Scaff]

Already a dislike!?


Anyway, completely agree about the track being bland in GT Sport.

The abuse will be along shortly I'm sure, even money on my sexuality to be questioned.

I was right on the money, and I got called a communist who lives off his wife as well, that one's at least original.

Got to love those GTS white knights.

 

[35mm]

I was right on the money, and I got called a communist who lives off his wife as well, that one's at least original.

Got to love those GTS white knights.

I'm actually following the "conversation", more or less... Is this guy a regular?

 

[Scaff]

I'm actually following the "conversation", more or less... Is this guy a regular?

Nope.

I get them all the time, I just wind them up a little and then block them, petty I know.........................

 

[BrainsBush]

Living off his wife is one thing but calling someone a communist

 

[Georgeagea]

Thanks man @Scaff for this great video and thanks for your dedication and the time you took to make this video.

Let me start by saying that I might be wrong with my statement above and I will try again this time to compare both, as you did, with same car and same conditions (as much as possible).

However let me clarify/comment the following:
1- I wasn't talking about the graphics. Everyone knows that GTS looks better than AC and PC2 in that regard, but I don't care too much about graphics.
2- Yes I was referring to the feeling of the road. ==> By that I mean it's probably the FFB! And that is why I am shocked because I hate GTS's FFB and I know that PC2's FFB is superior!
3-However I should confess that Bathrust was maybe one of the 1st tracks I've driven on PC2, so it was the initial release (which was very buggy) and maybe the car itself played a big role in that. Besides I might not have dialed my FFB settings yet so that also could influence it.
4- On another note, I know that the shake in the car in PC2 (visually, dashboard, etc.) is huge while it's absent in GTS. But I'm not sure how much of that is transferred to the FFB and not limited to visuals.

What I will do now, is to try to compare them NOW that both games are a bit settled and stable. Also my FFB settings are to my liking in both (although, on a side note, I wish if they both blatantly copy AC's FFB algorithm/implementation coz it's on another level).

I'll compare them and then report back my findings in here. I think they might converge with yours but I dunno why the 1st Bathrust encounters in both games left me that impression

 

[Whitestar]

Yeah, if you admit to liking anything other than AC the torches and pitchforks tend to come out pretty quickly.

Well, AMS gets favorable talk lately and to some degree also rF2. So it's not all bad.
But for some reason when you say good things about PC2 you get shot, burnt and hanged. And then it gets really nasty.

Btw, this thread should probably be renamed Assetto Corsa and PCars 2 vs. GTS: Physics, FFB

 

[Georgeagea]

Why can't all sims live happily in peace together?!
I mean I have all sims on PS4 including rally games and I like them all! Each has its own pros and cons! I enjoy all!
Why favor one to death over the other?!

Mmm that's so philosophical I feel 💡, maybe I should open a thread about that

 

[Scaff]

I'll compare them and then report back my findings in here. I think they might converge with yours but I dunno why the 1st Bathrust encounters in both games left me that impression

It will be interesting to hear what you find, as the biggest variable between us is in terms of hardware, T300 vs G29.

I'm happy to post up what I'm using in terms of set-up, but not sure how much use they would be.

Btw, this thread should probably be renamed Assetto Corsa and PCars 2 vs. GTS: Physics, FFB

Done.

 

[Georgeagea]

^ Hahahaha your wish is my command

I'm happy to post up what I'm using in terms of set-up, but not sure how much use they would be.

You mean FFB settings? Or what exactly?

 

[Scaff]

You mean FFB settings? Or what exactly?

Yep FFB settings.

 

[Georgeagea]

Thanks for the offer but as you said, that won't help much! Very different wheels! I run informative and have dialed the settings to make it feel as close as possible to AC FFB (when force setting is only set to 80 and everything else is set to Zero in AC).

EDIT: But share it anyways! Maybe I can try it and see how it goes on the G29!

 

[Scaff]

Thanks for the offer but as you said, that won't help much! Very different wheels! I run informative and have dialed the settings to make it feel as close as possible to AC FFB (when force setting is only set to 80 and everything else is set to Zero in AC).

EDIT: But share it anyways! Maybe I can try it and see how it goes on the G29!

I will dig them out later tonight.

The AC ones are easy, 40 for force and zero for everything else (as the T300 does generate more torque than the G29 the difference makes sense).

in PC2 however I run Raw so it will be quite different.

 

[BrandonW77]

Why can't all sims live happily in peace together?!
I mean I have all sims on PS4 including rally games and I like them all! Each has its own pros and cons! I enjoy all!
Why favor one to death over the other?!

Mmm that's so philosophical I feel 💡, maybe I should open a thread about that

Well, how else are you going to let strangers know that you're better than them??