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ATAQ - a time trial experiment
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Guys am done .
Best " complete " feeling car for me was the EVO group B road car .
Faster " Gimmick" car ( due to short gearbox ) the EVO 04 swapped .
Lap shared for everyone as #ataq from smoothbore 12 .
After seeing my lap you will reveal and my " secret " drive thing 😂 and since you're all ( i guess )better than me ,am putting you all Infront of the doors of 51's 😁
Of course you can't race this car but searching the ultimate lap time with is is doable is you manage tha way it reacts .
Happy to bust the virginity of lap posting at least 🤣
Best " complete " feeling car for me was the EVO group B road car .
Faster " Gimmick" car ( due to short gearbox ) the EVO 04 swapped .
Lap shared for everyone as #ataq from smoothbore 12 .
After seeing my lap you will reveal and my " secret " drive thing 😂 and since you're all ( i guess )better than me ,am putting you all Infront of the doors of 51's 😁
Of course you can't race this car but searching the ultimate lap time with is is doable is you manage tha way it reacts .
Happy to bust the virginity of lap posting at least 🤣
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Throwing in the towel so soon? Once you drop below 52, the tenths somehow still keep dropping... gonna go for a few more stints before posting my final time.
Did some tweaks to the Evo setup and tbh although this thing moves, I was never really a fan of point and shoot missile tunes. If anyone wants to use this, you're welcome to (but don't go sub 51 plz ;D).
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I might regret this post very soon but there is time left to do some FWD and RWD times... Still haven't seen your vid but this is an awesome laptime! Congrats to that and to the Balls to publish early! 💪 I am more than 2 Seconds away right now... @KAlex122 : don't let me alone with these monsters, please!
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After a closer look at the screenshot:
How on earth is it possible to have only 670 PP with 1250HP on a car that weighs 1197 kg (and RM tires)???
I know it is an engine swap. But is that a bug in the PP calculation?
For future TTs i vote to ban engine swaps like NOS. Otherwise this becomes a chalange like 'who has the biggest unused engine in the garage'.
Nonetheless here's the actual stand of my search for speed in Tsukuba by classic tuning:
1st car was a Porsche Cayman GT4. Sadly, after adding RM tires, suspension, shedding weight and a gearbox, there wasn't much room do improve the powertrain. The Cayman is a dream to drive, but not very fast around this track. After a 55,971 i didn't saw much room to improve.
2nd car was a Ford Focus RS. Same way of tuning like the Cayman. Because of the AWD i did a 55,415, but it's not so nice to drive like the Cayman. And i don't see the potential to go sub 55 with me at the wheel.
3rd and current car is the Toyota Yaris 1st Edition RZ "High Performance"
That thing was a big surprise, not so much because of the speed, but the fun it was to drive! Sideways thru every turn an still beating the Cayman! I did lots of laps just for the joy of it - it felt like a tarmac rally stage.
In case someone wants to try it out, i'll share the setup i've used.
To get it faster around the lap i'm currently fine tuning the suspension, although i'm not a specialist for that. 55,319 is my best so far. I hope to get it under 55.
Tack (or Toe) Angle is a toe-in at the front and toe-out in the back
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The Cayman is a surprising choice looking at your alias... 🤣 I did also test it, like it but went on. Might have a chance in RWD section.
There is a Motor Swap available for the Focus. Just saying... We will do a poll in this theme for round 2. Right now it is astonishing what you can achieve by trying every Tuning option. At Tsukuba you might try a short gearing for example.
Thanks for sharing your Setup!
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Nice times.
The short transmission limits the top speed, which equates in lower performace points due to the way the PP is being calculated - the car is sent around an invisible test track to measure how fast it will get around while measuring all the performace stats. Lowering the top speed will result in lower PP. A while back, suspension parameters and gearing were also accounted, but this left the PP system very open for manipulation and abuse until this was changed in an update (RIP Tomahawk).
I don't think the engine swaps should be outright banned as the short transmission causes this exploit and not the swap itself. Maybe mandatory race transmission and a seperate "open" class where everything except nitrous is allowed would be a way to handle this?
Glitched tunes suck in online competition - you either jump on the bandwagon and use the meta or are left in the dust. In my opinion, this example falls into a grey area and may deserve an own class, as this hunt for the next best glitchable tune does somewamhat kill variety of the "regular" cars, but still the idea of exploring a ruleset and exploring what's possible without many limitations (if any) remains.
@Gorefast poll sounds like a great idea.
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So you're looking for a TT with different classes?
Definitely possible, but wouldn't that require a pretty difficult rules and regulations book?! And a lot of / or at least more work for the organizer?
Another way that wasn't mentioned so far: One of us (preferably someone who knows what he does) sets up a car (might be choosen by a vote or by that https://gtplus.app/gt7/race-roulette) that everybody uses. So it would be just about the fastest driver.
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I thought this was already divided into AWD, RWD and FWD with the only restrictions being Medium Slicks and max 670 PP. Adding a mandatory racing transmission for these would solve the top speed exploit but having another class on top could be too much. Personally, I' d prefer it as simple and open as possible.
I guess it's up to @Gorefast and the community how this will develop. This first run is a great way to explore the ruleset and gather some insights of everyone participating.
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Different classes might be a solution but so far there aren't too many participants to justify that work. But I know that there are people in this thread who made up already their mind about organizing time trials. So we will see...
Using one prepared car is what the official time trials do and wouldn't add something different in my opinion. As I tested the settings by @smoothbore12 I can state that it doesn't fit my driving and I went back to what I did before (except of the short Transmission...). So a fixed Setup might help some and might hinder some.
Have a nice easter week everyone!
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It may not look that way but I am in office today. This week is shortened for me with all good and bad aspects...
I admit that I underestimated the effect of tuning but I have the feeling that we both want the same. Right now we started with "as little restrictions as possible" and might change that into "as little restrictions as necessary". Once you choose your car you should be more on track than in garage.
Happy lapping!
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I understand if the settings page seems unappealing opposed to actual racing. While I enjoy spending time with testing different parts and settings, I don't expect someone else to do so too. This format gives people the opportunity to either focus on builds, settings, racing or all of them combined. If everyone keeps an open mentality about their settings, over time the knowledge base grows. I was a little hesitant to share my tune before my lap time, but went ahead anyway because for one, @Gorefast asked me to, and because a few people contributed to it and @smoothbore12 shared his insights from the beginning.
Here's an idea: the tunes/setups of the top 3 or 5 times of each round are gathered in some sort of spreadsheet or subforum. Over time, the spreadsheet will reflect the top cars and can be used as reference for single/individual track and car combos, with polls for track ideas, restriction changes etc. for each round (e.g. someone proposes: "I wanna see if the Tsukuba Record Evo beats the Nordschleife Samba Bus on the Tokyo Expressway").
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All that is due to the SHORT gearbox and the Ultra high rpm turbo.
Don't look much at the HP cause many times in my greek version is higher than others but the other digits( acceleration etc. ) are the same .
Without putting the short gearbox that limit the top speed you can't have so much hp.
Other than that i put ballast at the tear and the car gain on acceleration times.
Plus i drive the " Thing " ONLY at 6th gear 🤣 all the way at the track and is more than enough to move bloody fast .
Other than that my EVO group B road car was the best car i try , no swaps no gimmicks just pute settings and was able to move at the door of 52's but i never achieve that and for that was responsible @ikon_313 with the earth rocket that he provided.
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I tried with Lancer Evolution VIII MR GSR with the same upgrades including the fully customizable transmission, but the car ended on having more than 700 PP instead of 670 PP.
I also tried a Nissan GT-R Premium Edition T-Spec '24 and I tuned to 670 PP with 570 HP. I took it for the track and I managed to do a time of 56 seconds.
I also tried a Nissan GT-R Premium Edition T-Spec '24 and I tuned to 670 PP with 570 HP. I took it for the track and I managed to do a time of 56 seconds.
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Just to make one thing clear: all my criticism is not against anybody of you guys, using the game the way it is designed!
I just can't get GT's logic/maths on how it's computing the PP in my head!
Or take the torque figures: icon's Lancer has 143 Kg/m which equals 1402 Nm. My Yaris has 458 Nm. And they have the same PP!
And on this track the short gearbox makes it even worse!
This makes absolutly no sense to me.
But it's unnecessary to complain further about this, because we can't change anything about it.
So i stop moaning, i promise! 🤞😁
I just can't get GT's logic/maths on how it's computing the PP in my head!
For example: I'm using a racing gearbox in the Yaris. Which adds 8 or 9 PP. But i set the gearing to a top speed of 200 Km/h. So it's pretty much the same like the short gearbox. But the PP doesn't change on the racing gearbox with the short gears.
Or take the torque figures: icon's Lancer has 143 Kg/m which equals 1402 Nm. My Yaris has 458 Nm. And they have the same PP!
And on this track the short gearbox makes it even worse!
This makes absolutly no sense to me.
But it's unnecessary to complain further about this, because we can't change anything about it.
So i stop moaning, i promise! 🤞😁
I'm just wondering what will happen if you start using 5th gear? Or even 4th??? With that amount of torque you could spin the earth backwards!
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Oh I was thinking of creating a competition just like this one! I'm definitely going to have a crack.
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Okay, another one in front of me... 😁 You are welcome! It is good to have some people with similar ideas around to develop this further.
