Atheists most distrusted minority?

[Danoff]

Everyone has a different pure, simple logic.

No. Some people understand logic, others do not.

 

[Pupik]

No. Some people understand logic, others do not.

For an example of misguided logic:

- A is true if and only if B and C are true.
- But never question the validity of C under any circumstances.

Quite simply, if nothing is questioned, logic breaks down.

 

[Ecchi-BANZAII!!]

Wow... Some people.
Blinded by religion, ignorant to human moral.
It's like they will start killing people if their god stopped them from telling it's wrong...
Then again, still having imaginary friends or people when you're an adult says quite much about a person...

 

[Encyclopedia]

Hardly surprizing but sad just the same. America really is a strange country (no offense). So modern yet so religious.

 

[homeforsummer]

Holy gravedig, batman.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Holy gravedig, batman.

That's what I'm thinking.

 

[TankAss95]

I don't judge people by their beliefs (or lack of?) purely because it's foolish. I used to do this in the past and it got me nowhere, and later (ironically) found religion myself.
As soon as you judge an individual by a majority, you have serious problems. There are exeptions though. Obviously if the person believes in something (or not) that you disagree on (morally), then obviously this will affect your opinion of that character.

I would like to remind people that there is a difference between the Atheist and New Atheist. Many people oppose the New Atheists, and that may have contributed to the outcome of the survey.

 

[Keef]

I would like to remind people that there is a difference between the Atheist and New Atheist. Many people oppose the New Atheists, and that may have contributed to the outcome of the survey.

New Atheism? Never heard of it, but after a little research it turns out that they think religion should be questioned.

Well, they're right. Everything should be questioned. It's called science, which is something you've struggled to grasp in other areas of this forum. I find it funny that you're in here saying what you're saying, because you're one who has been on the weak side of the religion and morality arguments on this forum.

 

[TankAss95]

New Atheism? Never heard of it, but after a little research it turns out that they think religion should be questioned.

Well, they're right. Everything should be questioned. It's called science, which is something you've struggled to grasp in other areas of this forum. I find it funny that you're in here saying what you're saying, because you're one who has been on the weak side of the religion and morality arguments on this forum.

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New Atheists say that religion is dangerous (most say it should be wiped out) and that don't believe in faith. I was just pointing out that naturally, this would be opposed, that's all.

And I have been on the weak side of the argument, but you can't expect me to know everything, not at my age.

And science is limited to it's sphere of relevance. Religion doesn't specifically oppose science, in fact, many great scientists, both in the past and present, are religious.

 

[Famine]

And science is limited to it's sphere of relevance.

Which is ALL POSSIBLE KNOWLEDGE.

 

[Submerged]

Science has to be limited, as it is the exploration of current human knowledge. Science is about expanding our current human (historical) knowledge to new and dangerous field.

Religion doesn't involve that. All it involves is just you going: "Yeah, the big man in the sky made all of this happen, herp derp!"

There's no higher level of thinking involved in terms of actually working out how stuff just happened and what we are made of.

 

[TankAss95]

Which is ALL POSSIBLE KNOWLEDGE.

I thought there was:

Scientific Knowledge
Philosophic Knowledge
Religious Knowledge
Cultural Knowledge

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If other knowledges are just points of view, then isn't that knowledge in itself?

 

[nitrorocks]

I don't judge people by their beliefs (or lack of?) purely because it's foolish. I used to do this in the past and it got me nowhere, and later (ironically) found religion myself.
As soon as you judge an individual by a majority, you have serious problems. There are exeptions though. Obviously if the person believes in something (or not) that you disagree on (morally), then obviously this will affect your opinion of that character.

I would like to remind people that there is a difference between the Atheist and New Atheist. Many people oppose the New Atheists, and that may have contributed to the outcome of the survey.

👍 There are also christian athiests.

 

[TankAss95]

👍

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There are also christian athiests.

There are atheists who are culturally Christian I suppose. They sing hymns and Christmas carols along with celebrating Easter etc but just don't believe in God.

 

[Famine]

I thought

Please look up the etymology of the word "science" (again).

 

[Negrumir]

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There are atheists who are culturally Christian I suppose. They sing hymns and Christmas carols along with celebrating Easter etc but just don't believe in God.

I don't want to be judge mental, but I really don't see the point to that. . .

I can also see the point of distrusting atheists. (don't take this the wrong way though)

For someone myself, if I believed there wasn't a God, I don't see any reason why I should have morals. If it's not a sin, why not do it?

Maybe for consequences such as imprisonment or death, but that's only if you get caught.

What if I just cheat people out of things, deal dishonestly, honor no agreement? If there's no God and no such thing as sin, and if I don't get caught, why not do it? Just my opinion though, but I am a Christian. So I do believe in God and sin is something I try not to do.

Not to say that Christians don't sin though. In fact, I've seen more dishonesty in Christians than otherwise. Well, maybe not more, but given a belief, one would expect higher standards. I wouldn't expect an atheist to have such standards because they don't see certain things as sin. But when a Christian does it, it looks worse and I feel even more deceived for trusting them.

All that said, I don't operate in a way that is prejudice against any one group or the other. Gotta be cautious with anyone.

 

[CSLACR]

Atheists are America's most distrusted minority, University of Minnesota study finds.

I'd be interested to know what 2,000 fmailies they called and how they picked them. I assume it was random and nationwide, but that's just an assumption.

Can't say it surprises me.
People generally think if someone doesn't believe in God, they cannot have any sense of morals.
Being displayed very well by TankAss in the "do you believe in God?" thread.

I never thought atheists would represent such a low percentage of the population... a whopping 3%??

Why? We're all taught about God one way or another from the moment we enter this Earth.
It's much harder to break off a belief in something once it's been ground into your brain from birth.

The irony in all of it, is that a massive amount more "believe in God", but don't do a single damn thing he says to do when it comes to daily life.
Which tells me many more actually don't, because if you really believe you're going to hell for the way you live, you wouldn't live that way.

But then I guess being able to make a single prayer of regret and aceptance on your deathbed after ignoring God your whole life makes it easier to accept too.

 

[YSSMAN]

For someone myself, if I believed there wasn't a God, I don't see any reason why I should have morals. If it's not a sin, why not do it?

We Atheists would argue that being a decent human being does not require religious dogma to dictate our actions. It is fairly safe to say that every human being has an intrinsic idea of what is right and wrong, regardless of what an ancient text may dictate.

 

[Liquid]

We Atheists would argue that being a decent human being does not require religious dogma to dictate our actions. It is fairly safe to say that every human being has an intrinsic idea of what is right and wrong, regardless of what an ancient text may dictate.

Correct. We shape our own morals based on our own personal opinions, rather than having them based on, dictated by or moulded by others. (i.e. Scriptures, dogmatic texts and the like)

You can be a decent human being just by being yourself. You musn't let others influence you to such a degree that they change you and you stop being who you really are.

 

[Antonisbob]

I'm Atheist and find this offensive.

Well, maybe not offensive. But I do find it strange.

 

[Schwartz]

Correct. We shape our own morals based on our own personal opinions, rather than having them based on, dictated by or moulded by others. (i.e. Scriptures, dogmatic texts and the like)

You can be a decent human being just by being yourself. You musn't let others influence you to such a degree that they change you and you stop being who you really are.

My exact philosophy on life.

 

[TankAss95]

I'm Atheist and find this offensive.

Well, maybe not offensive. But I do find it strange.

Why is it that 90% (that's a guess) of the Internet are atheists, yet the amount of atheists in the general community is shockingly lower?

 

[Sach]

Why is it that 90% (that's a guess) of the Internet are atheists, yet the amount of atheists in the general community is shockingly lower?

Well, only 50% claimed to be outright atheists in the other thread.

 

[TankAss95]

Well, only 50% claimed to be outright atheists in the other thread.

Forgot about the poll. 👍

 

[Schwartz]

Well, only 50% claimed to be outright atheists in the other thread.

Yes I found that very suprising that its 50% of people on the internet and 10% (thats just a guess, I have no source) in the real world. I'll admit that I'm an athiest on the internet but I never would in real life because most people would reject me.

 

[TankAss95]

Yes I found that very suprising that its 50% of people on the internet and 10% (thats just a guess, I have no source) in the real world. I'll admit that I'm an athiest on the internet but I never would in real life because most people would reject me.

Don't hide who you are. If people around you think that all atheists are bad people then prove them wrong.

I wouldn't say that people reject me, but often people are very negative towards my Christian beliefs. People often think that being religious is all fun and easy but it's hard.

 

[killer tiller]

I'll admit that I'm an athiest on the internet but I never would in real life because most people would reject me.

If people reject you in the outside world for being an atheist then that's their problem not yours. Unless your from a very religious family, even then they should still respect your choice whether you believe in a god or not. It doesn't change who you are

 

[Dapper]

Atheism and agnostic stats.

The most recent ARIS report, released March 9, 2009, found in 2008, 34.2 million Americans (15.0%) claim no religion, of which 1.6% explicitly describes itself as atheist (0.7%) or agnostic (0.9%), nearly double the previous 2001 ARIS survey figure of 0.9%.[31]

 

[Schwartz]

If people reject you in the outside world for being an atheist then that's their problem not yours. Unless your from a very religious family, even then they should still respect your choice whether you believe in a god or not. It doesn't change who you are

It would be different if I were a Christian, but technically I'm Jewish which complicates things even more. Since people know I'm Jewish (I had a Bar-Mitzvah and everything) and then I tell them I'm athiest their ignorant minds get confused and they look at me like I'm a :censored:ing circus animal and tell it to all their ignorant friends who then find it funny to come up with all these jokes. Of course they're not being serious and they don't offend me but they're annoying as 🤬.I already went through it once when everyone found out I was a Jew at school, and its more if the factor more than the factor that I couldn't stand. What really pisses me off is that most of the kids who like to repeat those kind of jokes over and over are not yet mature enough to decide for themselves weather to believe in God or not.
For the most part, I think many Christians and others who believe in God subconciously know that God doesn't exist, but their Church has pressed it into their heads so many times that conciously, they have no choice but to believe in God (if that makes sense). I personally believe religion was originally created to give people a good set of morals to live by so they can live better lives. In that respect, I think religion is actually good thing. Watch the movie "The Invention of Lying." In part from it being one of the funniest movies ever, it explains how unreasonable and stupid religion really is.

 

[Ecchi-BANZAII!!]

I don't want to be judge mental, but I really don't see the point to that. . .

As an atheist you're not bound to religious chains.
I sing Christmas songs and other songs related to Christianity.
Do I believe in it?
Nope.
But I do it because everyone is having a good time.