Aussie Tuners...Shiny new Garage, Shiny new Management

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I'm building a '95 Integra.

I have no driving skill, but I like the Integra, and I can make it awesome.

If we want to budget it to 30 grand, I can and will do well.
 
I don't think there will be any challenges up-coming. We could almost just use whatever cars you guys enter in the budget cup upcoming, but my cars aren't budgeted. I considered entering the cup with one of my FFs that could have easily taken glory :sly: but decided to sit back and judge. That FF is the next scheduled release on my behalf.
 
Mine rarely are as well, and this car wasn't much of a tune, just parts selection.

Stage 1 turbo, R2 tires, sports suspension, stage 1 weight reduction... Think there were a few other things as well...

R2 tyres? And you called me the wimp when I was using the scary Spoon on request :lol:
 
R2 tyres? And you called me the wimp when I was using the scary Spoon on request :lol:

that would be my Spoon, i guess.., :D :lol:

that's right, RJ.., we though you preferred S-grade Tires.., you're weird man :lol:

(anticipating the release of the next AT FF..,)
 
AT Holden Tigra '99
(212hp) (275Nm) (908kg)

Holden_Tigra.jpg



Parts to buy:

RC Exhaust
RC Brakes
Brake Balance Controller
NA Tuning Stage 3
Port Polish Heads
Engine Balancing
RC Computer Chip
FC Suspension
FC Gearbox
Triple Clutch
RC Flywheel
FC LSD
S3 Tyres
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Rigidity Increase
Rear Wing
Oil Change
New Rims (optional)

Settings:

Brake Balance: 2/24

Suspension:
Spring Rates: 6.5/5.5
Ride Height: 102/102
Damper (Bound): 4/4
Damper (Rebound): 8/8
Camber: 1.8/1.2
Toe: 0/-2
Stabiliser: 1/4

Gear Ratios: First reset default, then set the auto setting, and after that set each individual gear.
Autoset: 8
1st: 2.760
2nd: 1.962
3rd: 1.553
4th: 1.275
5th: 1.074
6th: 0.920
Final: 3.500

LSD:
Intial: 20
Acceleration: 50
Deceleration: 5

Downforce: 30/30

All driving aids at 0

Lap record at GVS: 2.09.726

Description: Some time ago Holden imported the Vauxhall/Opel Tigra for sale in Australia. In that time nothing much has changed on it, and it remains to this day a slow useless little convertible. AT have worked on it and came out with this. To save weight a coupe version was used and had the necessary Holden conversion applied. The engine has been reworked to produce 212hp, and all unnecessary weight has been removed. Active Design was called in to design a body kit and adjustable wing for this car to give it the looks and performance to match. This is easily the best FF car I have ever personally driven and I don't believe it could disappoint anyone. The suspension has been revised by the trusty engineers at AT along with the brakes, LSD, downforce and gearing. It takes down cars with more power than itself, even of better drivetrains, a true driver's FF car. Enjoy.
 
Well, seeing as how there's only one Tigra available in GT4 anyway, I don't really think it's going to cause mass confusion :sly:

@ least in NTSC. ND4HS did say it's buyable as new from the Vauxhall dealer in PAL. Us poor NTSCers only get Opel, no Vauxhall.
 
The picture is misleading as that body of Tigra isn't in GT4.

What he said \/

Well, seeing as how there's only one Tigra available in GT4 anyway, I don't really think it's going to cause mass confusion :sly:

@ least in NTSC. ND4HS did say it's buyable as new from the Vauxhall dealer in PAL. Us poor NTSCers only get Opel, no Vauxhall.

That's right, if you can get Vauxhall it's purchasable brand new so we get a power jump over you guys.
 
and the less than ultimate hairdressers car will be tested tomorrow.. yes, I'm speaking of Slow, Lethargic Kar.. SLK kompressor..
 
and the less than ultimate hairdressers car will be tested tomorrow.. yes, I'm speaking of Slow, Lethargic Kar.. SLK kompressor..

You think it's slow? I'm pretty sure it can beat the tuner cars- that's enough for me :sly:
 
AT Holden Monaro CV8 '04 Reviewed

Braking:
The CV8 has good braking all around and you can move the car around under them.

Suspension:
The Monaro is very good at all points of the turn. You can used the throttle in low to medium speed turns to rotate the car if needed. It's mostly neutral in high turns. The CV8 has very controllable wheel spin and a smooth throttle can keeped it in check. A little ride height would help out with small rumble strip/curb hits not up setting the car as much.

The transmission gearing was good. For the final drive I found it to be over geared. I had always found the Monaro engine likes to be run close to the 7K rev limiter over a lower shift point. Shifting at 6K so all gears are used my GVS lap time was a 1'42.549, but move it up to allmost 7K and the time drops to a 1'41.967. I tried moving the final and this messed up some the trans ratios. The diff works setting work well also.

I like this set-up alot and found it to be a 1/2 second faster than my own set-up as it sits. Thanks for the drive N4HS.
 
The picture is misleading as that body of Tigra isn't in GT4.

i agree, i thought it was a brand new Tigra.., but i then i went to Opel, no Tigra in there..,

Well, seeing as how there's only one Tigra available in GT4 anyway, I don't really think it's going to cause mass confusion :sly:

@ least in NTSC. ND4HS did say it's buyable as new from the Vauxhall dealer in PAL. Us poor NTSCers only get Opel, no Vauxhall.

bad luck, N4HS.., i can't find a Tigra in the Used Car Showrooms yet..,
 
Alright, I'm done with the testing of SLK230 and here are the results..

Test track was GVS, and best achieved laptime was 2'03.412. Incidentally, I tested Lotus Elise on same track earlier, with N3 tyres and pulled off nearly same time.

Overall, the car was really neutral to drive, nothing caught me sleeping. it was easy to point the car to corner, and out of them, and even in extreme situations the car remained calm. powerslides were easy to achieve and maintain, and were just as easy to stop. So, in this car you can look like a total hero while being safe. There were few things though, that I would had liked bit more.. for example, the ground clearance. true, the car looks nice when it's very low, but suspension travel exists for a reason. The lack of suspension travel caused me to spin. For example when I went over the crest towards the hairpin.. the car really felt slightly unsettled here. In addition, softer front sway/rollbar and negative front camber could have brought more enthusiasm to turn in.

that's all for now. I might test few things on it if you want me to.
 
AT Holden Monaro CV8 '04 Reviewed

Braking:
The CV8 has good braking all around and you can move the car around under them.

Suspension:
The Monaro is very good at all points of the turn. You can used the throttle in low to medium speed turns to rotate the car if needed. It's mostly neutral in high turns. The CV8 has very controllable wheel spin and a smooth throttle can keeped it in check. A little ride height would help out with small rumble strip/curb hits not up setting the car as much.

The transmission gearing was good. For the final drive I found it to be over geared. I had always found the Monaro engine likes to be run close to the 7K rev limiter over a lower shift point. Shifting at 6K so all gears are used my GVS lap time was a 1'42.549, but move it up to allmost 7K and the time drops to a 1'41.967. I tried moving the final and this messed up some the trans ratios. The diff works setting work well also.

I like this set-up alot and found it to be a 1/2 second faster than my own set-up as it sits. Thanks for the drive N4HS.

Thanks stidriver, I'm glad you liked the car. The gearing would probably make a little more sense at Circuit de la Sarthe. Most of my "race car" tunes are designed to do as well there as any other track, so they have a high top end, but still maintain decent acceleration. You know you've tuned a car right when someone as fast as stidriver likes the car :sly:

I'm going to give your Tigra a run, nd4. I'm pretty bored right now and need to kill some time. Besides, I'm feeling curious.

That'd be great, I look forward to it.

i agree, i thought it was a brand new Tigra.., but i then i went to Opel, no Tigra in there..,



bad luck, N4HS.., i can't find a Tigra in the Used Car Showrooms yet..,

They come up used fairly often, so just keep an eye out and they should appear soon enough. I hope you both like that car as much as I do- it's not an outright speed demon, but for the power it actually is.

Alright, I'm done with the testing of SLK230 and here are the results..

Test track was GVS, and best achieved laptime was 2'03.412. Incidentally, I tested Lotus Elise on same track earlier, with N3 tyres and pulled off nearly same time.

Overall, the car was really neutral to drive, nothing caught me sleeping. it was easy to point the car to corner, and out of them, and even in extreme situations the car remained calm. powerslides were easy to achieve and maintain, and were just as easy to stop. So, in this car you can look like a total hero while being safe. There were few things though, that I would had liked bit more.. for example, the ground clearance. true, the car looks nice when it's very low, but suspension travel exists for a reason. The lack of suspension travel caused me to spin. For example when I went over the crest towards the hairpin.. the car really felt slightly unsettled here. In addition, softer front sway/rollbar and negative front camber could have brought more enthusiasm to turn in.

that's all for now. I might test few things on it if you want me to.

I'm taking it that you liked the car in most respects. The only wheelspin I ever experience in it is in 1st gear. I'll look at the softer front anti-roll bar. The camber might need to stay as it is at risk of understeer. If you can find a camber that's better in all repsects I'm open ears. Thanks for the review :dopey:

Edit: Decreased the front stabiliser to 2. It works, but overall not too different to before. Still, better is better :dopey:
 
AT Ford MUSTANG SVT Cobra R '00 reviewed

Braking:
The SVT has good braking all around with control.

Suspension & diff:
The turn-in is very good in the car. All the other points of the turn are mostly neutral at any speed. But you can get a slite high speed understeer if your a little off on the enter to them. The mustang will get wheel spin in second gear, but is controllable and can be used the rotate the car if needed.
I also found that the final turn likes to be taken the fifth gear. It makes the R more stable going through it.

Trans:
The gearing and final drive are good. The final ratio is a little long, but I would not change it because it make second gear wheel spin more of a problem.

My used NTSC Cobra R was making 616hp as a note. My lap time was a 1'42 flat. I like driving the SVT alot and good work on tunning it.
 
Thanks a million stidriver, the NTSC version does get more horsepower for some reason, and I'm gald you liked the car (I believe that's its' first review too :dopey: ) I think to get rid of high speed understeer comes at a cost of stability. Do you have a request car at all?
 
Thanks a million stidriver, the NTSC version does get more horsepower for some reason, and I'm gald you liked the car (I believe that's its' first review too :dopey: ) I think to get rid of high speed understeer comes at a cost of stability. Do you have a request car at all?
I would not change the setting for that. As it's the way one enters the HS turns that can causes the understeer. The SVT has a good but small entry window that will cause the understeer not to show up.
On the HP for the mustang the NTSC's can get a 6.2 miler that can make 649 hp. I have not found it the used lot so far(my looking for it).
 
I agree, I think even in the description of this car I said about high speed understeer being stability and is actually quite good at high speeds when driven right.
 
Suggestions? dimplz should come out with an FF car sooner or later, if you want to test that and the Tigra that'd be great. I'll try and test your cars tomorrow.
 
AT Holden Tigra: Personal Remarks (in brief)

Firstly, the car was fun to drive on Grand Valley Speedway. Gear ratios, suspension suspension firmness and LSD felt well-matched with the circuit; which is, undoubtedly, a product of your extensive testing on GVS. On the other hand, the extreme downforce made the car 'hit a wall' on the final straight. This is something I, personally, really don't like. You could probably use a shorter final drive with such high downforce, or squish 2nd through 5th to help it climb hills on some other circuits, although they are perfectly geared for GVS.

Actually, GVS was the only circuit I tested it on, so I haven't any comments on low-speed balance, but this car has good cornering rigidity (does not roll excessively and spring load is consistent). GVS is a circuit I spend very little time on and I haven't driven a car on S3 tires for maybe a year and half, so, relative to someone who's driven cars of this level of tune and traction often and recently, my input may be moot. I found the suspension on the mild side, though only because I like more road feel through the front wheels on such a relatively flat and fast track, but this is only a personal preference.

One nit-pick, though: the car's a bit snappy when doing steering corrections when the rear breaks loose during a rear-to-front weight transfer (i.e.: braking on a sudden change in hill gradient), mostly likely caused by the high downforce.

But great car!
 
Alright, the Tigra's first review. Odd you should mention the gears and hitting a wall. During tuning we had a slight shorter lower gear setup with slightly longer higher gears, by making the lower ones longer and the higher ones shorter while keeping the same overall drive we were able to reel in the little bit of wheelspin that it had. If you don't like the downforce I invite you to take it off, it's still a brilliant FF without it. I guess I put it on to "complete" the package this time, create an un-rivalled FF handling experience. Thanks for the review 👍 Do you have a request car?
 
MyHoldenIsAggravatinglySlow's Holden/Opel/Vauxhall Pigra

Now you've gone and pissed me off. The car cost me monster $$ to build due to mine being a high-mileage used Opel, and I'm now WAY lower on cash than I'd like to be. Tosser.

Anyhow, onto the car: Yes, it can oversteer, a trait not known to be associated with FWD vehicles... But it gets annoying at low speeds where the car turns far too quickly on-throttle (Yeah, about coming back on track at a low speed... Good luck). That, and with the rear set to slide, the nose sometimes comes with it. Or... Make that most of the time. If you get into the corner hot, let the tail slide out a bit and hit the throttle in second... You're doomed. Both fronts light and the car goes straight for the outside sandtrap/sandbox/wall.

Then, to top off the disappointment, the car is bloody SLOW AS MOLASSES IN AN ANTARCTIC WINTER! The cornering speeds are down even next to most comparable FWDs, much less a comparable RWD, and it's slow enough down the straights to prevent it from coming near cars that would seem to be competition when driven by AI.

A very disappointing performance for a vehicle praised so highly in its description.

~Kyle
 
MyHoldenIsAggravatinglySlow's Holden/Opel/Vauxhall Pigra

Now you've gone and pissed me off. The car cost me monster $$ to build due to mine being a high-mileage used Opel, and I'm now WAY lower on cash than I'd like to be. Tosser.

Anyhow, onto the car: Yes, it can oversteer, a trait not known to be associated with FWD vehicles... But it gets annoying at low speeds where the car turns far too quickly on-throttle (Yeah, about coming back on track at a low speed... Good luck). That, and with the rear set to slide, the nose sometimes comes with it. Or... Make that most of the time. If you get into the corner hot, let the tail slide out a bit and hit the throttle in second... You're doomed. Both fronts light and the car goes straight for the outside sandtrap/sandbox/wall.

Then, to top off the disappointment, the car is bloody SLOW AS MOLASSES IN AN ANTARCTIC WINTER! The cornering speeds are down even next to most comparable FWDs, much less a comparable RWD, and it's slow enough down the straights to prevent it from coming near cars that would seem to be competition when driven by AI.

A very disappointing performance for a vehicle praised so highly in its description.
~Kyle

Driving it wrong are you? I have never seen a car that gets sub 2'10 lap times with just 212hp. Because of its low power it is a little slow, but I think the handling is just spot on. By the way, if you are seriously worried about cash in this game then I laugh at you. Money takes all of 15mins to get over 800 000Cr. I tell you what, I'll go and test some cars with the same power levels but RWD or AWD and see if I can come close to matching it. I just drove an FF Alfa with more power and is more than 10sec slower :rolleyes: Besides it was your choice to drive that car, you could have picked one of our race cars if you were after speed and speed only.

Edit: You must have been driving it wrong, drove it again and when driven right wheelspin shouldn't be an issue. Compared to all other FF cars this has superb handling- and what's this slow stuff? I just beat a Chevelle, a Tempest Le Mans GTO, a Skyline GT-R '00, a Lancer Evo VII and a Merc in a race.
 
damn, can't get to test the Tigra.., i already have one but i've been very busy lately since last Thursday, school work and exams, have to stay away from the PS2.., sorry for the delay of the review, it may come out (probably) next week or just a few days after..,
 
damn, can't get to test the Tigra.., i already have one but i've been very busy lately since last Thursday, school work and exams, have to stay away from the PS2.., sorry for the delay of the review, it may come out (probably) next week or just a few days after..,

Take your time, no rush.

To back up my earlier claims of Tigra's speed RJ, a Supra SZ-R which has more power is 6sec slower, and only and RX-8 with all its RWD and 180-200kw of power could match and just out do the times of the Tigra.
 
Took your Pig to GVS, and it did shine quite brightly. None of the understeer expected at high speeds in a FWD, so good jorb there Homestar! It's still bloody slow, and can still light the tires in second, but it does handle reasonably well here. (Motegi is lots of lower-speed corners and only a handful of fast sweepers, so this car got bombed on)

2:15 for my slow arse. Makes me wonder what I can do with that Demio I'm working on. Needs more power right now. 213hp just ain't enough for a car that weighs 1015kg. So it will have the Stage 3 turbo if I do anything with it.

EDIT: Supra weighs some 500kg + more! Bloody RX-8 weighs 400kg or so more! NOT a fair fight. Let me test a stock power, S3'd Fairlady (5.064 power-weight) with stock gearing and a wing and see how it does.
 
Took your Pig to GVS, and it did shine quite brightly. None of the understeer expected at high speeds in a FWD, so good jorb there Homestar! It's still bloody slow, and can still light the tires in second, but it does handle reasonably well here. (Motegi is lots of lower-speed corners and only a handful of fast sweepers, so this car got bombed on)

2:15 for my slow arse. Makes me wonder what I can do with that Demio I'm working on. Needs more power right now. 213hp just ain't enough for a car that weighs 1015kg. So it will have the Stage 3 turbo if I do anything with it.

OK RJ, an RX-8 is slow. I'll try it at Motegi, the key as with any FF is throttle modulation. I have driven it at other tracks and never had a problem.
 
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