Aussie Tuners...Shiny new Garage, Shiny new Management

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Alright, I'll have a look at the brakes, that's the second complaint I received, but I will tell you that when the tyres wear the fronts wear first making it really understeer so the brake balance is handy. Again with the wheelspin though :confused: Having driven this car on 12 different tracks including Opera Paris, one of the bumpiest most technical tracks around I still don't experience wheelspin, going over crests I do but same with almost every other high powered car, just let off the accelerator slightly as you go over the crest, you don't even notice a difference in acceleration. I don't know what this is about upsetting the car mid-corner either. In some ways I thought mid corner stability was a strength of this car except when braking through a high speed corner, I almost can't believe what people are saying about this car, it confuses me. I thought that in many ways this was one of the best handling cars about, just look at the lap time and WPR.

Edit: I decided to take it to the worse track imaginable, a track that may make faults that aren't even there seem apparent to try and grasp what people are talking about- Trial Mountain. After doing a few laps I quickly realised why you're saying it wants to spin around under brakes, and went about trying to solve it. Try a brake balance of 2/1 and tell me what you think. It understeers more but is more drivable, I'm thinking of having 2 brake balances in the settings- one for drivablity and one for hot laps (the 3/4) and technical circuits. The only way I could provoke wheelspin was by getting airborne, and even then not every time. If you are jumping curbs then you are asking for wheelspin :sly: Anyway, tell me what you think of the 2/1 brake balance.
 
KC Motorsport/AT BMW M3 CSLM

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KC Motorsport, in close collaboration with Aussie Tuners, announces the arrival of our interpretation of the ultimate driving machine. Based on a 2003 BMW M3 CSL (Coupe-Sport Lightweight), this is it: The KCM/AT BMW M3 Coupe-Sport Le Mans.

The concept behind this car centers around the CSL's VERY rare big brother, the V8-powered M3 GTR. The GTR campaigned with sensational success in American LeMans, but was constantly dogged by ever-stiffening eligibility requirements advocated by the Porsche factory-backed teams it constantly demolished. The CSLM is our attempt to produce a car that can compete at the GTR's level in ALMS on Sunday, then with a quick wheel-change, blast down the Blue Ridge Parkway for a week of skiing on Monday - LEGALLY. We believe the result to be a complete success.

We took the 3.2L E46 variant of BMW's world-famous Inline-6 and massaged it to 524 brake horses at 7900 RPM. Despite the L6's reputation for low torque output, we even coaxed 379 foot-pounds out of it, at 4900 RPM. The power and torque combine to provide near-seamless delivery of overwhelming drive force across a huge range.

Despite the CSL already being a "lightweight" thanks to a carbon fiber roof, boot-lid and door panels among other things, we've starved it even further. The CSLM sits at a curb weight of 1177 kg, near superleggera levels considering its saloon-scale proportions. To counteract the lumpen dimensions and placement of the L6, we've given the CSLM a properly stiff front suspension with a dose of toe-in, and left it softer in the rear. This drastically reduces saloon-esque push and stubborn turn-in. What little of that is left can easily be counteracted with a healthy dose of the throttle - the rear is pliable enough to produce mild oversteer characteristics under WOT. A custom-designed limited slip differential teams up with gearing optimized to relegate all wheelspin to first gear, and the result is thrilling - gobs of shock-and-awe potential while bombing around in 1st, but engage 2nd, hit the track, and it means to kill.

The car is drama free on even track surfaces as long as the driver avoids tall curbing. Over rougher tracks, thanks to the front suspension and the car's naturally stiff chassis, one can expect some hop over hillcrests, but the tires eagerly dig back in. Since this is a true multipurpose machine, different driving techniques are called for. On race rubber, drive as if Satan himself is sniffing your exhaust - the car shouldn't misstep in the slightest. On sports tires, be aware that this is still a front-heavy car with a long wheelbase, so if you get overeager on the throttle in longer corners, you may experience mild understeer. Also, if running on sports rubber, be careful if you engage first gear in a tight hairpin. You shouldn't lose control, but the tires will begin to unhook a bit and you'll hit the rev limiter if you're driving in automatic mode. In either guise though, this car is a true thoroughbred. As one of AT's test-drivers commented after his first test run, "Anyone could be forgiven for thinking that it's already on race tyres when on sports tyres."

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Parts List
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RC Exhaust
Racing Brakes & BBC
Stage 3 NA Tuning, Engine Balancing, Port Polish & Racing Chip
FC Transmission, Triple-Plate Clutch, RC Flywheel, FC LSD & Carbon Driveshaft
FC Suspension
Stage 3 Weight Reduction & NO RIGIDITY INCREASE.
Oil Change
Wing (3D Type CB pictured)
Wheels (MA0229 pictured)
S3 AND R3 Tires

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Settings
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BBC: 4/5
Downforce: 30/30
LSD: 5/35/10

Spring Rates: 9.5/7.3
Ride Height: 65/70
Dampers(Bound): 4/2
Dampers(Rebound): 7/7
Camber: 2.2/2.0
Toe: 2/0
Stabilizers: 3/3

Gearing:
Perform the tranny trick first - from default settings, max out the final drive ratio. Then, adjust the Autoset first to 25, then back to 1. Then, set as follows, starting with the Final Drive Ratio.

Final Drive Ratio: 3.350
1st: 3.100
2nd: 2.200
3rd: 1.696
4th: 1.382
5th: 1.177
6th: 1.020

This will give you a top speed approaching 195 mph which is plenty for most tracks. If you want more top speed, feel free to lengthen gears 3-6, but it's highly reccomended that you leave 1st and 2nd alone - they are geared as they are for a very specific purpose - changing them could result in unwanted wheelspin in 2nd.

Driving Aids: None

<edit> Our base car began life as an M-testbed chassis which was equipped with an early prototype version of BMW's now-ubiquitous iDrive system. Since Magneti Marelli had already shipped us sophistcated customized command modules, we took great pleasure in ripping it out and, using sledgehammers, crushing it to tiny unrecognizable pieces on the shop floor.
 
Having just campaigned it at Circuit de la Sarthe Dream Car Chanpionship race I can say that it never fails to impress. What is normally a race simply dominated by cars reaching 330km/hr+ this can dominate it just as easily while only being able to reach 310km/hr. (Don't forget top speed plays a big part in lap times at this track) The levels of grip and refinement displayed by this car are astronomical. Bumps on this particular track hardly effect it contrary to the description. Another thing that impresses me is the tyre wear, which in the dream championship is crucial on some longer races. And oh yeah, brilliant pics of it there CLS. 👍
 
Thanks very much! Another note I forgot to include - unlike its stock M brethren, this car is NOT optimized for the Nurburgring. I have an entirely different setup in the "B" slot which shaves 10 seconds off the 'Ring time vs. the posted tune - if anyone wants it, I'll consider sending it via PM ... if you ask nicely :sly: It's a hair-raising, pants-wetting setup though - relies on rear-end breakaway to accomplish quick times at the Green Hell.
 
Well, after a long time and some extensive and rigorous testing the AT Holden Monaro has been updated. The emphasis was on making a quicker yet more controllable version than the previous one and the result was a complete success. Just click on the link to it in the first post (you may need to click refresh to get the new settings) and be prepared to be amazed. It still needs a fairly smooth drivng style though, but not as much as before. And don't forget we have 2 Mercs and a Bimmer that need reviews as well. 👍

Edit: Oops, almost forgot, thanks go out to CraftyLandShark who helped to get the Monaro to where it is now- good work.👍
 
The monaro is :nervous: awesome...handles fantasticly and turns in easy and exits sideways in 2nd and 3rd if not careful. The wheelspin is still there which is hard to completely get rid of...but took most of it away.
 
Thanks dimplz, we did our best and a super smooth driving style can almost completely get rid of that wheelspin. So your next car must be up really soon eh? I'm on the edge of my seat in anticipation.
 
super smooth...ahh thats where I go wrong...I can drive smooth...but dont chose to testing cars....until last thing....which i will do now
 
If I interpreted that correctly, your new car is on our doorstep.👍 People of GTP, you may really like this coming.
 
Welcome back Renoff, haven't seen you in ages. I hope the mods don't mind your language there. So I got told you were playing a different game- what could possibly be better than GT4?
 
Hey Dimplz, the first post doesn't have a link to the DBR-9! I still need to test it, but lack the patience to look through this thread to find it...
 
Here's a review of the KC motorspoct/AT's M3 CSLM using R3 tires.

Braking:
The car was sliding under full braking causing the car not brake as short as it should. It was not so bad that you could not move or control the car under braking. It just did not stop as fast as it should. This is makes the first turn and the T1 to the first tunnel part of GV more work than it needs to be. I ran a 1'42.101 on R3's with set-up. Then I made a change to the brake controllers setting. By moving them from 4/5 to 3/4. The changes made the brake spot on for me. My time dropped to a 1'41.690 with controller change.

Trans:
The gearing and final drive are good.

Suspension:
The CSLM is excellent at all points of the turn and is mostly nuetral with a slite oversteer. The M3 just goes where you steer it and you can't go wrong with than.

This a very nice M3 CSL set-up to drive with or with out the brake change. I had fun driving this BMW.
 
Excellent, I'm glad you liked it! Astonishing lap time as well, I'm very impressed!

The issues you experienced under braking are probably due to the fact that I tuned the car originally on sports tires - offering it in a racing tire option was an afterthought. On sports tires, the extra braking force, particularly in the rear, initiated rotation leading up to corners to help counteract the fact that it was acting noseheavy on turn in. This obviously becomes less of an issue on race tires, so I can definitely see how the weaker settings would suit that format.

Once again, amazing times, and thanks so much for the review! 👍👍

<edit> I've also read some of your reviews over at MFT and they all seem to be very considered and well-written. The Vintage Tuner Cup is going on right now and we have a lack of available judges since everyone wants to enter rather than judge - if you happen to have the time to swing by and check it out in the link at the bottom of my sig, you'd be more than welcome!
 
Thanks CLS. I try to give them a good run of 75 to 100 miles before the review. You need than time to try different line out. On car like the M3 that I have mile on and like and know it a much less time is needed. Plus it's fun to try out new way tuning.

On the the brakes. That makes sense as you can almost always run higher brake pressure on Sport tires over the race ones. I will have to give the M a run them.

On the VT cup I can help you doing some judging just let me know. As I have some free time.
 
That's great! Swing by the Tuner Garages thread on the 27th - that's when judging begins for the first two divisions. I'll be posting a Judge's Guide the night of the 26th that will explain all you need to know. 👍
 
N4SH, I promised you this review at the end of the weekend, I apologize for being a day late, but I had time crunch when it was unexpected. Anyways, here are my thoughts to this car: :drool: Now for the details.

Cars don't come much more perfect than this DBR9. The turn is amazing, so stable. I couldn't spin this thing to save my life, except when I started turning with a tire on the grass, then she just goes 'round and 'round. It handles like a dream, and has the gearing and looks to boot. I even noticed something quite peculiar about it, she turns better under brakes than gas! Under the brakes, she goes where you point her, no questions asked. On the gas, it's all the same, save for some minor understeer coming off the exit of the corners at wide open throttle. There is no detectable wheelspin in this thing either, it's like the perfect car!

I don't see how this got put off so long, I love your car!

Like I said up top, due to time restraints, I got 8 laps with her at GVS with the full tune. I pulled a 1'45.456 on the last one, with little to no effort. I'll post up more times, I could drive the thing all day!
 
Thankyou mustangGT90210. It's good to hear that you like this car so much, and don't worry about the supposed "lateness", you can do a review whenever you want.👍 It really is fun to drive, and I even had one person say that he'd consider doing an a-spec enduro in it it's that fun. Can I mention that anyone doing reviews here is allowed to request cars as well. If I don't have to double post my next car may be up soon, mine or dimplz car.
 
AT Ford MUSTANG SVT Cobra R '00
(599hp- more for NTSC users) (782Nm) (1351kg)

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Parts to buy:

Sports Exhaust
Race Brakes
Brake Balance Controller
NA Tuning Stage 3
Port Polish Heads
Engine Balancing
Race Computer Chip
FC Suspension
FC Gearbox
Triple Clutch
RC Flywheel
FC LSD
Carbon Driveshaft
R3 Tyres
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Rigidity Increase
Rigidity Refresh
Oil Change
Rear Wing
Rims (optional, mine using Enkei 032)

Settings:

Brake Balance: 3/4

Suspension:
Spring Rates: 8.0/7.2
Ride Height: 110/110
Damper (bound): 3/3
Damper (rebound): 6/6
Camber: 2.5/2.0
Toe: -1/-2
Stabiliser: 4/5

Gear Ratios: First set auto, then set each individual ratio.
Auto: 17
1st: 2.768
2nd: 1.853
3rd: 1.414
4th: 1.122
5th: 0.899
6th: 0.740
Final: 3.550

LSD:
Initial: 5
Acceleration: 55
Deceleration: 5

Downforce: 30/30

All driving aids 0

Lap Record at GVS: 1.42.422

Description: Popularity of the once mighty FoMoCo is slipping, their product is no longer inspiring the public or performing at the level of its peers. Realising this, Ford sent their Special Vehicles Team to make a modern racer out of a popular early '00s Mustang. SVT had gotten as far as modifying the engine and equipping race parts purchased from Aussie Tuners, but had trouble fine tuning the handling of this "to revive Ford's image" car. Enter AT, working on suspension, brakes, LSD, gearing and downforce this car has been transformed from a popular street car to a thoroughbred race car to crush most any racer out there. Lap times eclipse even that of AT's own DBR9, and as thanks- Ford have let us have our garage name integrated in the name of this car. The handling of this car can be described as none other than stable. What may at first appear like understeer to some will very quickly establish itself as unyielding grip and stability- lap times don't lie. A little wheelspin may show its face in second gear but more often than not this does not occur and is preventable. It's a racer that shows Ford is no where near down and out for the count. Give it a go.
 
Problem... s.

The New Edge bodystyle came out in 1999. So saying it's from the 90s is hardly accurate in that sense, as the bodystyle was produced mostly in the 2000s. (99-04) But if you must get technical, much of the underpinnings stayed the same from 1979-2004. And then, to boot, the Cobra R was NOT a popular street car; it was a street-legal race car. Stripped interior, 5.4 liter DOHC in place of the 4.6, T56 six-speed transmission, IRS a la 1999 Cobra, etc., and very, VERY low production numbers.
 
Sory bout that 90s slip up, don't know how it happened. As for popularity and street car, it still got made for the road didn't it? Hence street car. And it didn't matter if many were made, people liked it didn't they? They wanted one? Therefore it was popular.
 
what a review...custom car on the way for you...as soon as we know what it is...

Can I get a tune of an '05 Mustang GT? Full on race warrior, like the Mustang posted right above this.

N4SH, I would review that Mustang tonight, but that DBR9 is really tempting me to come chop up your laptime. So I'll be workin' on that.

By the way, nice rims on the Stang up there, those are the ones I put on the Aston. I got it red, with those wheels, it's just amazing.
 
That's fine, you can try and beat my time but I tried hard to get it low. But I'm not perfect- far from it. Did you want any particular one of us to do the '05 Mustang? I have one that's almost done. It could use some fine tuning, which I'll do for you if you want, but it has a fair bit of wheelspin. Talk by PM if you want.
 
That's fine, you can try and beat my time but I tried hard to get it low. But I'm not perfect- far from it. Did you want any particular one of us to do the '05 Mustang? I have one that's almost done. It could use some fine tuning, which I'll do for you if you want, but it has a fair bit of wheelspin. Talk by PM if you want.

-Sigh-

I hit my block at 1'45.187 on the DBR9.

I also replied to your PM.
 
Participating in a race series week at GVS really helped my skills on that track. This Mustang GT '05 really surprised me, and as I said- I'll get it to you as soon as I can 👍
 
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