Australians | Are they racist and/or xenophobic?

[Com Fox]

I'm so excited for voting next year

 

[squadops]

I stayed up late to watch The Australian Open which was side showed by some refugee hooligans. WTF was that about? lol

Must show some sort of troubles going on there.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I stayed up late to watch The Australian Open which was side showed by some refugee hooligans.

Seeing as how I don't follow tennis, I don't know what incident you're talking about. But characterising refugees as hooligans is fairly racist.

 

[Carbonox]

Seeing as how I don't follow tennis, I don't know what incident you're talking about. But characterising refugees as hooligans is fairly racist.

Whenever something sounds slightly offensive, better characterize it as racist, just in case. Good plan.

 

[squadops]

Only you would come with that(prisonermonkey). Hooligan protesters disrupting the event in the name of their cause, never a good way to bring attention. in fact I'd say it does more harm then good.

I now think there is no problem with how your country treats refugees, just as I don't listen to green pease and still eat tuna fish.

 

[Joel]

Seeing as how I don't follow tennis, I don't know what incident you're talking about. But characterising refugees as hooligans is fairly racist.

I don't really know if that makes sense. He said "refugee hooligans", which I read as "refugees who are hooligans", not "all refugees are hooligans".

Is it racist to talk about the European football hooligans? Does anybody think the entire population of the UK are hooligans because of them?

 

[Grayfox]

Lol you mean Riotball @Noob616

 

[squadops]

I could have worded it better, I just figured there would be someone in this thread from down under with an interist in politics and civil liberties. Someone to explain what I had just seen, silly me forgot I was in the opinions forum lol.

BTW I don't actually think they were refugees, rather refugee sympathizers.

I still have no idea of their affiliation...

 

[Cobra_GT500]

Everyone is racist in a way not just Australians.

 

[Scaff]

I stayed up late to watch The Australian Open which was side showed by some refugee hooligans. WTF was that about? lol

Must show some sort of troubles going on there.

My main issue with your description is that they were neither refugees or hooligans.

Peaceful protest that caused minimal disruption (5 minutes) would be closer to the actual events, regardless of the view one holds on the cause they were highlighting to describe people who carried out no violent acts as 'hooligans' is inaccurate and misleading.

 

[TDZdave]

I'm not racist by any means, I will welcome all into my country providing you follow our rules, that's just being respectful to those who founded the country, and respectful to those who live in it, we do the same when we go overseas,

but then I hold some contradictions in terms close to my heart regarding the subject of Refugee's and others of the sort,

Such as "Illegal Immigrant" you can't be both, If your an immigrant, welcome, if you're not, get out!

This will probably raise some questions about me being or not being "politically correct"

Well in my experience, if its political, there's a fair chance its not correct,

My opinion is that if you want to live in my country, then follow the procedures and do it correctly, don't come to my house and demand change, you want to live in our yard, your beliefs will be respected within the confines of your yard, but don't expect it to be the entirety of the border,

 

[G.T.Ace]

I'm not racist by any means, I will welcome all into my country providing you follow our rules, that's just being respectful to those who founded the country, and respectful to those who live in it, we do the same when we go overseas,

but then I hold some contradictions in terms close to my heart regarding the subject of Refugee's and others of the sort,

Such as "Illegal Immigrant" you can't be both, If your an immigrant, if you're not, get out!

This will probably raise some questions about me being or not being "politically correct"

Well in my experience, if its political, there's a fair chance its not correct,

My opinion is that if you want to live in my country, then follow the procedures and do it correctly, don't come to my house and demand change, you want to live in our yard, your beliefs will be respected within the confines of your yard, but don't expect it to be the entirety of the border,

 

[Danny]

Australians all make sweeping generalisations, and everyone else finds that disgusting.

 

[Joel]

Australians all make sweeping generalisations, and everyone else finds that disgusting.

I hate how those Fosters chugging, vegemite eating, shrimp barbecueing racists just generalize about entire cultures from dumb stereotypes. Maybe if they stopped surfing or wrestling kangaroos for a minute they could go educate themselves.

 

[TDZdave]

Car to explain?

 

[PeterJB]

I hate how those Fosters chugging, vegemite eating, shrimp barbecueing racists just generalize about entire cultures from dumb stereotypes. Maybe if they stopped surfing or wrestling kangaroos for a minute they could go educate themselves.

They're too busy being attacked by snakes and spiders.

 

[Scaff]

I'm not racist by any means, I will welcome all into my country providing you follow our rules, that's just being respectful to those who founded the country, and respectful to those who live in it, we do the same when we go overseas,

Follow the rules, OK fine with that.

Respect those who founded the country? Which ones? The original Polynesians, the Maori or the Europeans who arrived much later?

but then I hold some contradictions in terms close to my heart regarding the subject of Refugee's and others of the sort,

Such as "Illegal Immigrant" you can't be both, If your an immigrant, if you're not, get out!

Refugee and Immigrant are two totally different things, given that I'm not sure why you are conflating them.

This will probably raise some questions about me being or not being "politically correct"

It raises some questions, but not about political correctness (but to be fair based on experience those who start with "I'm not a racist, but......" and go into a variation of "political correctness gone mad" normally do).

Well in my experience, if its political, there's a fair chance its not correct,

Ahh. So you advocate a non-political approach then, so Anarchy it is then, but that does raise the question of you wanting people to follow rules.

My opinion is that if you want to live in my country, then follow the procedures and do it correctly, don't come to my house and demand change, you want to live in our yard, your beliefs will be respected within the confines of your yard, but don't expect it to be the entirety of the border,

OK. Not quite sure what you are getting at here, as the analogy is rather confusing. People should be free to express the culture and beliefs they have as long as it doesn't interfere with the rights of other people (and when it does you will normally find that those damn politicians have put rules in place to deal with it already).

 

[Paulie]

Australians have crude humour for sure (which is where the accusations of us being racist would come from), I don't think many would legitimately hold prejudice against someone because of race though. We do have a lot of bogans as well though, and they can be pretty racist.........therefore I voted "Some".

 

[TDZdave]

Respect those who founded the country? Which ones? The original Polynesians, the Maori or the Europeans who arrived much later?

The Indigenous obviously,

Refugee and Immigrant are two totally different things, given that I'm not sure why you are conflating them

How so? A legal immigrant has taken the official path to becoming a citizen, an illegal immigrant comes here then claims refugee status, they shouldn't expect to just be set free upon crossing the shore line,

Refugees aren't collected from their country and sent over, they come here in what resembles a boat, then freeload,

Ahh. So you advocate a non-political approach then, so Anarchy it is then, but that does raise the question of you wanting people to follow rules.

Not my choice in words, but anarchy is what we can expect if we continue to short cut refugees into immigrant status with going the official path,

I'm not saying anyone is a bad person or up to no good, but eventually if things continue someone with ties to an extremist group is bound to get in,

OK. Not quite sure what you are getting at here, as the analogy is rather confusing. People should be free to express the culture and beliefs they have as long as it doesn't interfere with the rights of other people (and when it does you will normally find that those damn politicians have put rules in place to deal with it already).

Everyone is entitled to have their beliefs, religions, way of life etc yes I agree, but keep it to the confines of your own home, I do, think of beliefs like a mans appendage, every man has an appendage, that's fine, but get it out in public or stick it in my face then we have a problem,

 

[Scaff]

The Indigenous obviously,

So the immigration that has followed the original settlement of NZ by the Polynesians has been totally and utterly respected as it? That is the single true culture of the country? I call shenanigans on that.

How so? A legal immigrant has taken the official path to becoming a citizen, an illegal immigrant comes here then claims refugee status, they shouldn't expect to just be set free upon crossing the shore line,

Refugees aren't collected from their country and sent over, they come here in what resembles a boat, then freeload,

An illegal immigrant and a refugee are totally different things (the UN has some nice legal descriptions - you should take a look at them before making stuff up to suit your own agenda).

NZ accepts 750 refugees a year and they have to spend the first six weeks in a detention centre while being processed and if they are accepted (not all are) they are entitled to no more than anyone else would from the state (oh and the state can claim that back from the UNHCR).

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/general/generalinformation/media/refugeefactsheet.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_migration_into_New_Zealand

You statements here display not only a large degree of ignorance, but a fair degree of bigotry as well. Its also rather odd give that 85% of the population are either immigrants or descended from immigrants within the last 300 odd years.

Not my choice in words, but anarchy is what we can expect if we continue to short cut refugees into immigrant status with going the official path,

Still not the same things and you were the one stating that most political choices were not correct, that would indicate your belief that politics don't work. So what would you suggest as an alternate to politics?

I'm not saying anyone is a bad person or up to no good, but eventually if things continue someone with ties to an extremist group is bound to get in,

So you punish the whole based on the actions of the few. And that will solve the issues with extremism how?

Everyone is entitled to have their beliefs, religions, way of life etc yes I agree, but keep it to the confines of your own home, I do, think of beliefs like a mans appendage, every man has an appendage, that's fine, but get it out in public or stick it in my face then we have a problem,

So I take it you call for that from all cultures. What would this 'zero' culture dress code look like? How about language and social integration?

What your calling for is both nonsense and impossible.

 

[Cobra_GT500]

Wait so is this thread to pay out us Australians? And you guys think your not racesist? Come on guys seriously. It's funny how you guys think. This thread is racist or what people come across Australians. Half of yo have probably never been here who are making remarks.

 

[Scaff]

Wait so is this thread to pay out us Australians? And you guys think your not racesist? Come on guys seriously. It's funny how you guys think. This thread is racist or what people come across Australians. Half of yo have probably never been here who are making remarks.

No this thread is not racist (I'm still struggling with the concept of a virtual, non-sentient concept being racist), nor is the topic of the thread racist.

Its a question, open for discussion and you would do well to keep that in mind. As well as putting some thought into your posts before hitting the reply button. As half of what you have said makes no sense at all.

 

[TDZdave]

Congratulations, you know a lot about New Zealand, and I'm pleased for you, New Zealand is not Australia.......

And yes I agree with that point, my partner is of Indigenous decent and her family are what the majority of the population call, "land grabbers" when that isn't the case, all they ask is that certain areas aren't developed, and other areas, such as park lands, Forrest regions etc be renamed to celebrate that of their ancestors, or not have a burial ground dug up, id be really annoyed if someone pulled up my family to build a Woolworths, so I respect that and admire their fight for that to be in place,

I would also support that in other cultures as well,

Still not the same things and you were the one stating that most political choices were not correct, that would indicate your belief that politics don't work. So what would you suggest as an alternate to politics?

Shortcutting immigration, not correct, payroll tax, not correct, carbon tax, not correct, giving cyclists 1 meter or more of a road and not making them liable for damages if they happen to harm a pedestrian, not correct, so in short most of politics isnt correct,

I'm also not saying you cant have culture, but respecting peoples beliefs, rights etc is a big part of that, just keep your beliefs private and it wont worry me at all,

 

[Liquid]

Wait so is this thread to pay out us Australians? And you guys think your not racesist? Come on guys seriously. It's funny how you guys think. This thread is racist or what people come across Australians. Half of yo have probably never been here who are making remarks.

This thread was started by someone who has Australia down as their location and is very likely to be Australian. It hasn't been set up to have a go.

As others have repeated it's certainly likely that every country has their problems with racism and xenophobia. You could take a sample of 50 Britons and 50 Australians and find 100 whackjobs or 0 whackjobs. It is never as simple as "[X people] have this problem..." and as with many anglosphere and/or western country, Australia has the same problem with "in the interest of national security" as its counterparts. One can even draw parallels to treatment of pre-colonial peoples in Australia as the United States.

 

[TDZdave]

This thread was started by someone who has Australia down as their location and is very likely to be Australian. It hasn't been set up to have a go.

As others have repeated it's certainly likely that every country has their problems with racism and xenophobia. You could take a sample of 50 Britons and 50 Australians and find 100 whackjobs or 0 whackjobs. It is never as simple as "[X people] have this problem..." and as with many anglosphere and/or western country, Australia has the same problem with "in the interest of national security" as its counterparts. One can even draw parallels to treatment of pre-colonial peoples in Australia as the United States.

That's the best way to put things,

 

[Scaff]

Congratulations, you know a lot about New Zealand, and I'm pleased for you, New Zealand is not Australia.......

When did I say it was?

And yes I agree with that point, my partner is of Indigenous decent and her family are what the majority of the population call, "land grabbers" when that isn't the case, all they ask is that certain areas aren't developed, and other areas, such as park lands, Forrest regions etc be renamed to celebrate that of their ancestors, or not have a burial ground dug up, id be really annoyed if someone pulled up my family to build a Woolworths, so I respect that and admire their fight for that to be in place,

Indeed.

I would also support that in other cultures as well,

But you don't. You don't want them to even have a culture outside of the home.

Shortcutting immigration, not correct, payroll tax, not correct, carbon tax, not correct, giving cyclists 1 meter or more of a road and not making them liable for damages if they happen to harm a pedestrian, not correct, so in short most of politics isnt correct,

That's not even a tiny fraction of politics, let alone most of it.

 

[Cobra_GT500]

This thread was started by someone who has Australia down as their location and is very likely to be Australian. It hasn't been set up to have a go.

As others have repeated it's certainly likely that every country has their problems with racism and xenophobia. You could take a sample of 50 Britons and 50 Australians and find 100 whackjobs or 0 whackjobs. It is never as simple as "[X people] have this problem..." and as with many anglosphere and/or western country, Australia has the same problem with "in the interest of national security" as its counterparts. One can even draw parallels to treatment of pre-colonial peoples in Australia as the United States.

My point was people seem to come across us as something they only see in movies or on tv.

 

[TDZdave]

But you don't. You don't want them to even have a culture outside of the home.

You clearly take way to much out of context, what I mean is that, you have your way, I have mine, I'm not going to tell you live my way, don't expect me to live by yours,

That's not even a tiny fraction of politics, let alone most of it.

No its not is it? But do either of us have the time to discuss politics in depth? I don't,

 

[Scaff]

You clearly take way to much out of context, what I mean is that, you have your way, I have mine, I'm not going to tell you live my way, don't expect me to live by yours,

How exactly have I taken it out of context. You said.....

"Everyone is entitled to have their beliefs, religions, way of life etc yes I agree, but keep it to the confines of your own home"

....not much to take out of context from that.

So you either believe that all culture (you know, beliefs, religions, way of life etc) should be limited to ones home, or you don't. Well actually a third option does exist and that's every other culture but the one you have should be limited to the home.

Now given what you have said its either the first or the third, as the second one is the total opposite of what you said.

No its not is it? But do either of us have the time to discuss politics in depth? I don't,

Then why make the claim that "if its political, there's a fair chance its not correct,"?

My point was people seem to come across us as something they only see in movies or on tv.

No, I base my experiences of Australians on Australians.

 

[TDZdave]

Now given what you have said its either the first or the third, as the second one is the total opposite of what you said

If I was to relocate country, I would keep my belief and my way of life at my home, I would also try fit into their culture for social purposes, I may not like all of it but I would try at least,

However, prior to relocating I would research that country and find out what their culture and how their ways of life are before moving, if I knew I wouldn't like it I wouldn't go,

For example, because I swear and curse for all eternity when I stub my toe at home, doesn't mean I'm going to swear and curse when I did it in public, for the respect that swears and curses can be offensive to others,