Avid Racing Factory [UPDATED 01/02/11]
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- KonKongg
Lexus IS-F Racing Concept '08
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One of the more expensive purchases currently in my garage. I usually don't buy my cars but rather win them through B-spec, but this I bought because of the German Touring Car Championship on A-spec Extreme. Frankly speaking, this is one bloody good car. I raced it right out of the dealers without ANY modification and managed to come on top in the races, albeit some close rivalry - but that's what racing is about. Anyhow, Avid has transformed this car into something even more spectacular.
First impressions of the car was its tendency to over-steer on exit, and some noticeable under-steer on mid-corner. Turn in is good but not as sharp as I would have expected, but nevertheless it is one of the better cars I was impressed with without after market modifications. Looking at the replays and telemetry, I observed that the car's weight did meant the car suffered some body roll (though not much), this translated to loss of grip on the inside tires thus losing grip while coasting through undulated bends. This was rectified by replacing the stock anti-roll bars for stronger ones and also lowering the car's height for a lower centre of gravity, resulting in less weight transfer. The springs rates were also stiffened by around 20% so there's less slide. The stock damper configuration was good, but some tuning saw slight decrease in the front compression rate to allow better entry.
The car's tendency to over-steer was quickly remedied by tweaking the LSD by lowering the acceleration sensitivity, yet increasing the initial torque by roughly 60%. Deceleration sensitivity was also slightly dropped for better coasting. The overall effect meant the car was less prone to snap-steer, yet retaining its cornering ability.
Lastly, down force on the front and rear were both increased with a front bias to promote hard acceleration through bends. Furthermore, the increase in down force also helps decrease braking distance.
Lexus IS-F Racing Concept '08
Power: 758 @ 7300rpm
Torque: 553ft-lb @ 6300rpm
Curb Mass: 1350 kg
Weight Distribution: 54 / 46
Requirements:
- purchase car from dealer for 700k credits
- install a stage 3 turbo
(I painted mine matte-white to accentuate the fins, extensions and under-tray of the car, I really geek on these things)
Aerodynamics: 30 / 52
Initial Torque: -- / 28
Acceleration Sensitivity: -- / 24
Braking Sensitivity: -- / 18
Ride Height: 4 / 2
Spring Rate: 16.9 / 16.7
Extension: 8 / 7
Compression: 6 / 7
Anti-roll Bars: 5 / 6
Camber Angle (-): 2.6 / 2.2
Toe Angle: -0.10 / 0.16
Brake Balance: 8 / 6
Fastest lap on Suzuka F1 circuit with 2:03.xxx and 1:57.xxx with Racing Hard and Racing Soft tires respectively.
Enjoy!
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One of the more expensive purchases currently in my garage. I usually don't buy my cars but rather win them through B-spec, but this I bought because of the German Touring Car Championship on A-spec Extreme. Frankly speaking, this is one bloody good car. I raced it right out of the dealers without ANY modification and managed to come on top in the races, albeit some close rivalry - but that's what racing is about. Anyhow, Avid has transformed this car into something even more spectacular.
First impressions of the car was its tendency to over-steer on exit, and some noticeable under-steer on mid-corner. Turn in is good but not as sharp as I would have expected, but nevertheless it is one of the better cars I was impressed with without after market modifications. Looking at the replays and telemetry, I observed that the car's weight did meant the car suffered some body roll (though not much), this translated to loss of grip on the inside tires thus losing grip while coasting through undulated bends. This was rectified by replacing the stock anti-roll bars for stronger ones and also lowering the car's height for a lower centre of gravity, resulting in less weight transfer. The springs rates were also stiffened by around 20% so there's less slide. The stock damper configuration was good, but some tuning saw slight decrease in the front compression rate to allow better entry.
The car's tendency to over-steer was quickly remedied by tweaking the LSD by lowering the acceleration sensitivity, yet increasing the initial torque by roughly 60%. Deceleration sensitivity was also slightly dropped for better coasting. The overall effect meant the car was less prone to snap-steer, yet retaining its cornering ability.
Lastly, down force on the front and rear were both increased with a front bias to promote hard acceleration through bends. Furthermore, the increase in down force also helps decrease braking distance.
Lexus IS-F Racing Concept '08
Power: 758 @ 7300rpm
Torque: 553ft-lb @ 6300rpm
Curb Mass: 1350 kg
Weight Distribution: 54 / 46
Requirements:
- purchase car from dealer for 700k credits
- install a stage 3 turbo
(I painted mine matte-white to accentuate the fins, extensions and under-tray of the car, I really geek on these things)
Aerodynamics: 30 / 52
Initial Torque: -- / 28
Acceleration Sensitivity: -- / 24
Braking Sensitivity: -- / 18
Ride Height: 4 / 2
Spring Rate: 16.9 / 16.7
Extension: 8 / 7
Compression: 6 / 7
Anti-roll Bars: 5 / 6
Camber Angle (-): 2.6 / 2.2
Toe Angle: -0.10 / 0.16
Brake Balance: 8 / 6
Fastest lap on Suzuka F1 circuit with 2:03.xxx and 1:57.xxx with Racing Hard and Racing Soft tires respectively.
Enjoy!
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- KonKongg
Mazda Furai Concept '08
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Okay, I've said that the Zonda and IS-F Racing Concept was good, but I think the word 'excellent' is an understatement for describing what car the Furai is. The engine revs like there are ants in its pants, the delivery throughout the whole band is as smooth as double cream and torque is plentiful despite being a rotary engine. The fitting of a turbo is a match made in heaven and turbo-lag is almost in existent.
I digress, THE CAR'S handling is superb and even this is an understatement. It neither over or under-steers, its really as though there are rails underneath the car! In fact, I felt so confident that my foots almost never touched the brakes unless come a tight hairpin.
Major adjustments were made to the chassis for extra reinforcement and both the anti-roll bars and springs were stiffened for less roll, this ultimately meant the car rolled less and could plant all 500 plus ponies into the ground much more effectively, producing quicker speeds on corners.
Mazda Furai Concept '08
HP: 515 @ 9100 rpm
Torque: 307ft-lb @ 8600 rpm
Curb Mass: 675 kg
Weight Distribution: 46 / 54
Requirements:
- either win the car on b-spec or at the used car dealer
- chassis reinforcement
- stage II turbo
Aerodynamics: 32 / 54
Initial Torque: -- / 16
Acceleration Sensitivity: -- / 32
Braking Sensitivity: -- / 18
Ride Height: -2 / -4
Spring Rate: 16.2 / 17.1
Extension: 7 / 7
Compression: 6 / 6
Anti-roll Bars: 5 / 5
Camber Angle (-): 2.2 / 1.8
Toe Angle: -0.10 / 0.18
Brake Balance: 7/6
The Furai is capable of lapping Suzuka in 1:56.450 with mediocre driving on Racing Hard tires and Stage II turbo. I have yet tried a Stage III turbo and Racing Soft tires, but I'm expecting to see somewhere in the sub 50s.
Enjoy!
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Okay, I've said that the Zonda and IS-F Racing Concept was good, but I think the word 'excellent' is an understatement for describing what car the Furai is. The engine revs like there are ants in its pants, the delivery throughout the whole band is as smooth as double cream and torque is plentiful despite being a rotary engine. The fitting of a turbo is a match made in heaven and turbo-lag is almost in existent.
I digress, THE CAR'S handling is superb and even this is an understatement. It neither over or under-steers, its really as though there are rails underneath the car! In fact, I felt so confident that my foots almost never touched the brakes unless come a tight hairpin.
Major adjustments were made to the chassis for extra reinforcement and both the anti-roll bars and springs were stiffened for less roll, this ultimately meant the car rolled less and could plant all 500 plus ponies into the ground much more effectively, producing quicker speeds on corners.
Mazda Furai Concept '08
HP: 515 @ 9100 rpm
Torque: 307ft-lb @ 8600 rpm
Curb Mass: 675 kg
Weight Distribution: 46 / 54
Requirements:
- either win the car on b-spec or at the used car dealer
- chassis reinforcement
- stage II turbo
Aerodynamics: 32 / 54
Initial Torque: -- / 16
Acceleration Sensitivity: -- / 32
Braking Sensitivity: -- / 18
Ride Height: -2 / -4
Spring Rate: 16.2 / 17.1
Extension: 7 / 7
Compression: 6 / 6
Anti-roll Bars: 5 / 5
Camber Angle (-): 2.2 / 1.8
Toe Angle: -0.10 / 0.18
Brake Balance: 7/6
The Furai is capable of lapping Suzuka in 1:56.450 with mediocre driving on Racing Hard tires and Stage II turbo. I have yet tried a Stage III turbo and Racing Soft tires, but I'm expecting to see somewhere in the sub 50s.
Enjoy!
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- KonKongg
Mclaren F1 '94 (Stealth Model)
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This is actually the first time I drove this car, I only saw it as a gift from PD when I purchased the game and had thought it would spoil my experience if I used such powerful cars from the beginning. Anyway, I'm a huge Mclaren fan and the F1 goes down in history as one of the all-time greats. The inception of the F1 was simple; 'no compromise'. I need not elaborate too much on just how well the car handled, but its nothing short of staggering. Most cars I have driven will, in one way or another, slide outwards through corners - of course the F1 isn't so different here, but what is significant is the way it picks itself up and just hauls you OUT. Via this method, you can actually gain more speed through the corners and really let the car's chassis handle the rest. However, with super-cars like these, throttle control is essential and must not be overlooked. I'm staggered to see threads ranting about the F1's under steering issues, now I'm not advocating they're bad drivers, but I honestly think they were not driving this beauty properly. I was using sports soft and I didn't feel a hint of under steer unless I was being reckless.
Anyway, adjustments were made to the LSD for improved response, ride height was dropped and spring rates were bumped up significantly. Anti-roll bars were strengthened for better mid-corner turns at high speeds and very little toe was used to promote entry.
Mclaren F1 '94 (Stealth Model)
HP: 642 @ 7500 rpm (stock)
Torque: 484 ft-lb @ 5500 rpm
Curb Mass: 1100 kg
Weight Distribution: 44 / 56
Requirements:
- Stock form for Stealth Model cars
- Cars bought from dealers will need aero packages, engine and body modification
- Stick Racing Hard tires for Stealth Model cars
Aerodynamics: 48 / 64
Top Speed: 320 km (good for Suzuka)
Initial Torque: -- / 18
Acceleration Sensitivity: -- / 36
Braking Sensitivity: -- / 22
Ride Height: -16 / -14
Spring Rate: 16.8 / 17.2
Extension: 8 / 8
Compression 7 / 7
Anti-roll Bars: 6 / 6
Camber Angle (-): 2.4 / 1.8
Toe Angle: 0.04 / 0.12
Brake Balance: 7 / 5
Fastest lap with stock Racing Hard tires at 1:59.744 on Suzuka.
Enjoy
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This is actually the first time I drove this car, I only saw it as a gift from PD when I purchased the game and had thought it would spoil my experience if I used such powerful cars from the beginning. Anyway, I'm a huge Mclaren fan and the F1 goes down in history as one of the all-time greats. The inception of the F1 was simple; 'no compromise'. I need not elaborate too much on just how well the car handled, but its nothing short of staggering. Most cars I have driven will, in one way or another, slide outwards through corners - of course the F1 isn't so different here, but what is significant is the way it picks itself up and just hauls you OUT. Via this method, you can actually gain more speed through the corners and really let the car's chassis handle the rest. However, with super-cars like these, throttle control is essential and must not be overlooked. I'm staggered to see threads ranting about the F1's under steering issues, now I'm not advocating they're bad drivers, but I honestly think they were not driving this beauty properly. I was using sports soft and I didn't feel a hint of under steer unless I was being reckless.
Anyway, adjustments were made to the LSD for improved response, ride height was dropped and spring rates were bumped up significantly. Anti-roll bars were strengthened for better mid-corner turns at high speeds and very little toe was used to promote entry.
Mclaren F1 '94 (Stealth Model)
HP: 642 @ 7500 rpm (stock)
Torque: 484 ft-lb @ 5500 rpm
Curb Mass: 1100 kg
Weight Distribution: 44 / 56
Requirements:
- Stock form for Stealth Model cars
- Cars bought from dealers will need aero packages, engine and body modification
- Stick Racing Hard tires for Stealth Model cars
Aerodynamics: 48 / 64
Top Speed: 320 km (good for Suzuka)
Initial Torque: -- / 18
Acceleration Sensitivity: -- / 36
Braking Sensitivity: -- / 22
Ride Height: -16 / -14
Spring Rate: 16.8 / 17.2
Extension: 8 / 8
Compression 7 / 7
Anti-roll Bars: 6 / 6
Camber Angle (-): 2.4 / 1.8
Toe Angle: 0.04 / 0.12
Brake Balance: 7 / 5
Fastest lap with stock Racing Hard tires at 1:59.744 on Suzuka.
Enjoy
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- SoCalFELON
- nonstop619
Your ZR1 tune was spot on, good job. I would like to ask if there are any modifications I can make to it for tracks that are a little bumpy. Let's say 'Circuit de La Sarthe' for example. It feels like I am losing a bit of speed due to the bumpiness of the straightaway. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
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- KonKongg
Well do bare in mind that the car was set for suzuka and tracks that are generally smooth. Anyhow, I recommend decreasing compression and extension values so the damper allows more movement in the springs. Increase ride height by 7 - 9 mm on both sides.
Try other tunes! Almost every post so far here has been about the ZR-1. There are cars beyond the corvette that will give you as much if not more fun!!!!
Cheers
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- KonKongg
Gillet Vertigo Race Car '04
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First and foremost I would like to extend my gratitude to J_Mousseau for donating this beast of a car for Avid to tune. We are indeed very poor at the moment.
Anyway back to business. The Vertigo is a monster, its capable of achieving blistering laps but that requires nerves of adamantine and balls of whatever is stronger than that. It is seriously one heck of a knife-edge racer, one mistake will turn into a mishap (followed by many screams). The car I believe was delivered stock to Avid, but that doesn't detract from the fact that the chocolate making Belgians have stuffed 900+ ponies under a hood of a car that weighs just shy of 800kg. Basic deduction would tell that this car handles like a dream, but reality differs far these assumptions.
The car under steers madly and wouldn't response to rapid inputs. It has really wayward handling despite all those claims in the description. The most alarming issue was with mid-corner under steer when applying throttle, this meant I had to spend time coasting towards the exit before I can confidently depress the gas pedal. Furthermore, turn in was horrendously sloppy and I would even call it rebellious to some extent.
A car with this much reputation cannot be overlooked, and Avid is proud to present to you a remedy to rectify this problem!
With recent tunes, I began slaving at the LSD to dissect what constituted the under steer. I can confidently say that the initial torque was too low and acceleration sensitivity too high. This meant that the car's outside wheels during undulating turns does not receive enough (if any) power, rendering the car vulnerably to slide outwards. The stock acceleration sensitivity also meant that throttle control was hard to judge, further compounding the effect mentioned earlier. With the LSD sorted, things took a turn and tuning became significantly easier at this point. Some stiffening in the suspension made the car tauter, and further camber settings meant the car could corner at higher speeds.
Lastly, down force was increased on the front and rear with a slight front bias to promote better traction through corners.
Gillet Vertigo Race Car '04
HP: 925 @ 9000 rpm
Torque: 581 ft-lb @ 6500 rpm
Curb Mass: 780 kg
Weight Distribution: n/a
Requirements:
- I believe everything on the car was stock, I hadn't need to purchase anything myself.
- Racing Hard tires for tuning and testing
Aerodynamics: 34 / 50
Transmission: 350 km (good for suzuka)
Initial Torque: -- / 34
Acceleration Sensitivity: -- / 22
Braking Sensitivity: -- / 20
Ride Height: -14 / -12
Spring Rate: 17.2 / 16.8
Extension: 7 / 8
Compression: 6 / 7
Anti-roll Bars: 6 / 6
Camber Angle (-): 2.6 / 2.2
Toe Angle: -0.08 / 0.12
Brake Balance: 8 / 6
Fastest lap on Suzuka with Racing Hard tires was 1:57.xxx (can't remember)
This car is perfectly capable in capable hands, yet can still churn out quick laps with just sensible driving. If you feel that the car still under steers, then try soften the front anti-roll bars. I don't recommend making other changes as of now.
Enjoy!
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First and foremost I would like to extend my gratitude to J_Mousseau for donating this beast of a car for Avid to tune. We are indeed very poor at the moment.
Anyway back to business. The Vertigo is a monster, its capable of achieving blistering laps but that requires nerves of adamantine and balls of whatever is stronger than that. It is seriously one heck of a knife-edge racer, one mistake will turn into a mishap (followed by many screams). The car I believe was delivered stock to Avid, but that doesn't detract from the fact that the chocolate making Belgians have stuffed 900+ ponies under a hood of a car that weighs just shy of 800kg. Basic deduction would tell that this car handles like a dream, but reality differs far these assumptions.
The car under steers madly and wouldn't response to rapid inputs. It has really wayward handling despite all those claims in the description. The most alarming issue was with mid-corner under steer when applying throttle, this meant I had to spend time coasting towards the exit before I can confidently depress the gas pedal. Furthermore, turn in was horrendously sloppy and I would even call it rebellious to some extent.
A car with this much reputation cannot be overlooked, and Avid is proud to present to you a remedy to rectify this problem!
With recent tunes, I began slaving at the LSD to dissect what constituted the under steer. I can confidently say that the initial torque was too low and acceleration sensitivity too high. This meant that the car's outside wheels during undulating turns does not receive enough (if any) power, rendering the car vulnerably to slide outwards. The stock acceleration sensitivity also meant that throttle control was hard to judge, further compounding the effect mentioned earlier. With the LSD sorted, things took a turn and tuning became significantly easier at this point. Some stiffening in the suspension made the car tauter, and further camber settings meant the car could corner at higher speeds.
Lastly, down force was increased on the front and rear with a slight front bias to promote better traction through corners.
Gillet Vertigo Race Car '04
HP: 925 @ 9000 rpm
Torque: 581 ft-lb @ 6500 rpm
Curb Mass: 780 kg
Weight Distribution: n/a
Requirements:
- I believe everything on the car was stock, I hadn't need to purchase anything myself.
- Racing Hard tires for tuning and testing
Aerodynamics: 34 / 50
Transmission: 350 km (good for suzuka)
Initial Torque: -- / 34
Acceleration Sensitivity: -- / 22
Braking Sensitivity: -- / 20
Ride Height: -14 / -12
Spring Rate: 17.2 / 16.8
Extension: 7 / 8
Compression: 6 / 7
Anti-roll Bars: 6 / 6
Camber Angle (-): 2.6 / 2.2
Toe Angle: -0.08 / 0.12
Brake Balance: 8 / 6
Fastest lap on Suzuka with Racing Hard tires was 1:57.xxx (can't remember)
This car is perfectly capable in capable hands, yet can still churn out quick laps with just sensible driving. If you feel that the car still under steers, then try soften the front anti-roll bars. I don't recommend making other changes as of now.
Enjoy!
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- SoCalFELON
- nonstop619
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- J_Mousseau
I definitely tuned it wrong, based on the tuning you did to the Gillet Vertigo Race Car '04, and Im pumped to try it, I knew it had potential, and I guess now ill get to see what that potential is.
Thanks Vette, maybe I could bother you for some more tunes later, I have plenty cars in my garage I would love to get tuned, and so I don't take up all Avids time, I hope some other requests are friendly towards my garage.
And I bought the Nissan GTR V-spec 09, and loved it. Great tunes!
EDIT: I Have an Enzo, my favorite car. But sometimes I wonder about the handling of this vehicle. It seemed to want to spin out instantly if you touch the grass and hit pavement again, or accelerate too much out of a corner, I tried lowering Acceleration sensitivity, and raising torque, still the same problem. And the steering on it can sometimes be unbearable.
So if you have time, please make the enzo drive as nice as it looks!
Thanks Vette, maybe I could bother you for some more tunes later, I have plenty cars in my garage I would love to get tuned, and so I don't take up all Avids time, I hope some other requests are friendly towards my garage.
And I bought the Nissan GTR V-spec 09, and loved it. Great tunes!
EDIT: I Have an Enzo, my favorite car. But sometimes I wonder about the handling of this vehicle. It seemed to want to spin out instantly if you touch the grass and hit pavement again, or accelerate too much out of a corner, I tried lowering Acceleration sensitivity, and raising torque, still the same problem. And the steering on it can sometimes be unbearable.
So if you have time, please make the enzo drive as nice as it looks!
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- Thunderstruck598
Just wanted to thank you for the work on the Zonda tune, the car is so much more drive-able with this tune, much more balanced and controllable. Before the tune I was really working to get decent lap times, the times were fair but what a chore. I will be trying the Furai tune next and will report my findings.
Nice work!!!
Nice work!!!
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- KonKongg
Are you referring to the NSX Type R'02? By the 'best' I literally meant everything you could get your hands on in the tuning shop. The tune works for the 'ring too, but again I would recommend increasing ride height and allowing more movement in the suspension. The tune provided will still dial in some quick laps with extraordinary levels of grip and handling, but expect some jolts on the bumpier sections of the 'ring.
Cheers
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- KonKongg
Hi, your car is ready but its currently sitting in my garage. I shall have it sent back to you first thing when I arrive home. I'm getting off work a little late tonight, plus we live in different time zones - so forgive me for keeping your car so long =p
Cheers
I'm pretty sure he just looks up real life figures, but I'm interested in hearing the answer to this as well.
And which brings me to this question: Do you really think that PD modeled every one of the cars in the game based on true to life weight distributions? All of this specificity regarding the tuning of cars on a video game is fun and everything, but honestly I have a hard time believing that the game is actually that in depth, and that the physics are even reflecting such specific details as real world weight distributions. I mean, they don't even have tire pressure customization.
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- California
- PumpinNumbies
After 10-15 laps of trial and error with your Zonda Tune, I gave up, and simply decided that car doesn't suit me.
I moved on to the Furai, Your set up, Stage 3 Turbo and Racing Softs. Tried the Racing Hards first to get an idea, but just not enough grip, for someone as aggressive as me.
On just the 4th lap I pulled a 1:51.xxx and then followed it up with a 1:50.968 on Suzuka. As I've come to expect with all of your tunes, I ran into an issue with understeer from center out. This is not your fault, but simply a difference in driver preference. I keep finding myself waiting to get back on the throttle, because I'm punished every time I start to accelerate before the car is ready.
Another issue I ran into was the car seemed to have a minor issue with rapid weight changes from corner to corner, which would noticeably upset the car, throwing it out of balance.
Another common occurrence when I'm testing your tunes, is a touchy throttle. I'm clearly not as disciplined when it comes to throttle control, so while this car was much more manageable than previous, I opted to drop the Initial and Accel down a notch or two on the LSD settings, and might have to play with them some more, if I find a way to cure the understeer through the turns.
I have a dumb question.
Does LSD Braking, only apply to wheel speed differences under braking, or under any speed reducing action. For example, de-acceleration on entry? Will playing with the LSD Braking adjustment, allow the car to roll into or through the corner easier, with more rotation?
Thanks
Will test it tomorrow
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- KonKongg
LSD braking sensitivity works under deceleration, so it'll lock both wheels even when you coast.
I'm quite baffled because I personally find the Furai to be superior even to the Corvette despite its lack of power. Had it more power then it'll literally obliterate the ZR-1. Anyhow, I think we have vastly differing driving styles! I think what constituted under-steer was your entry speed into corner being too high. I understand that an exit is by far more important than entry, but a good line and appropriate speed INTO the corner are fundamental in achieving the best line out.
On the other hand, I personally find that the Zonda is still prone to over-steer because of the tower of torque going through the rear. I'm struggling to figure how my tunes are causing you under-steer!
I admit I don't touch the brakes much, but neither do I stab at the throttle. Through the S-curves on Suzuka, I only full throttle into the 1st bend, and then half throttle through the other two, then belt it up the slope.
BTW, I never promote the use of Racing Soft tires, all tunes here are initially tuned with Sports Soft to give the chassis and suspension a thorough shakedown, and then given Racing Hard for finalizing.
Thanks for your review though, I shall try make amendments where I see necessary.
Cheers
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- KonKongg
Google to the rescue here. However, when no information can be found I resort to bare intuition. There have been some threads on gtp about that, so I urge you to look at them. A general idea of weight distribution;
FF - 70 / 30
FR - 60 / 40
MR - 50 / 50 (the rear is usually a bit heavier)
RR - 40 / 60
Anyway, I do think PD has taken weight distribution into consideration. Otherwise spring rates and other suspension adjustments become somewhat redundant. Kaz has told Top Gear in November's issue that a car in GT5 would drive exactly as it would in real life, this entails that all parameters of the car must have been accounted for, inclusive but not limited to weight distribution.
Cheers
- 3,359
- California
- PumpinNumbies
So, by my reverse logic, via the acceleration setting...
Am I correct, in the assumption, that a 'higher' number on the Braking LSD setting, allows the wheels to spin at different speeds? And that a LOWER number, locks the tires up sooner?
The description in GT5 makes it seem the exact opposite, but any time I LOWER the Acceleration setting, it lets me get to the gas sooner, with less spin. Although, that could be because It's locking up less... I dunno :/
Reading your LSD thread now, trying to get a better grasp.
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- Thunderstruck598
First off, I have only driven this car once, I spent about 15 minutes trying to tune it from stock. The front end pushed horribly in corners, the car felt unstable and was easily upset in transitions. I didn't make any laps on Suzuka to get a baseline before applying your tune. I was able to make the car handle better overall, but still was not satisfied, that is until I applied your tune. WOW.... to say your tune made a huge improvement would be an understatement!!! I could not believe how responsive and nimble this car is. Turn in is instant, you barely think about starting into the corner and car is turning, mid corner is very planted and stable as long as the throttle is applied with care. I too was able to make the car under-steer mid-corner if I applied the throttle to abruptly or at different times throughout the corner. I didn't make a minor adjustment to the LSD to suit my driving style. vett'e, you have done an AMAZING job on this car, I do believe this may be my new favorite. You HAVE to tune my GT-R GT500 Stealth the car has a ton of potential however the tune is terribly wrong.
And by the way the Furai is capable of 1:49:XXX on Suzuka with stage III turbo and soft racing tires. AWESOME JOB vett'e
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- KonKongg
The LSD essentially locks both wheels, effectively making them spin at the same rate. This if tuned properly can garner considerably more grip than a car that does not have one installed.
Some points to note;
- A higher initial torque means there's a higher torque pre-load on the LSD, this means the two wheels are no longer independent of another, and the rotation of one will cause another to turn. The magnitude depends on how high the pre-load. In GT5, initial torque ranges from 5 to 60, this infers to either completely opened or completely locked respectively. If set to the extremes then acceleration and braking sensitivity will become redundant.
- Acceleration sensitivity is independent of initial torque. This setting adjusts how much lock there is in the diff on acceleration. The higher this setting the more lock.
- Braking sensitivity is the reverse of Acceleration sensitivity.
*too much initial torque will hinder turning because the wheels cannot rotate at different rates, but acceleration will be improved out of bends etc.
*too much braking sensitivity will also hinder turning for the reasons stated above
*too much acceleration sensitivity can result in a sudden surge of power leading to unpredictability through mid-corner.
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- KonKongg
I am somewhat baffled by the review posted by Thunder and Adrenaline for the furai, I acknowledge that they are both superb drivers, but their contradicting reviews are a headache. Has anyone else tried the tune? Constructive criticisms and feedback are welcomed!
Avid's vision is to make tunes that allow everyone to drive a car thats compliant, taut and most importantly FUN. If someone, even if just one person, is failing to enjoy our tunes, then I believe Avid needs to seriously rework its future tunes. However, I need more FEEDBACK from our community before I rework these tunes for more suitability!!!!
*BTW Thunder, those are some fast lap times!!! You're putting me to shame here >.<*
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Vett'e
Avid's vision is to make tunes that allow everyone to drive a car thats compliant, taut and most importantly FUN. If someone, even if just one person, is failing to enjoy our tunes, then I believe Avid needs to seriously rework its future tunes. However, I need more FEEDBACK from our community before I rework these tunes for more suitability!!!!
*BTW Thunder, those are some fast lap times!!! You're putting me to shame here >.<*
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Vett'e
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- PumpinNumbies
Either I missed something, or you did?
We both like the tune, enjoy the turn it, agree it's very fast, but both found a slight understeer in the middle of the corner, and found spiratic issues with where and when we apply the throttle through the turn. As well, we both seem to have a 'heavier foot' requiring personal adjustments to LSD. I've spoken with Thunderstruck and we both feel that, we can't stomp on the gas like we want to, lol.
Me too
Even online he was killing me, now he's gallavanting his better lap times with photo evidence all over this thread! 👎- 27
- Intoxic8ingLICKR
I will run the Furai in next couple of days. I have applied the tune without driving it stock though. I was trying to win a b spec race in professional with the Shelby 427 and ran it about 5 times with no luck. Just had Suzuka to win and the cobra just kept spinning out at the tight corners so I got sick of it and threw in the Furai with your tune. Bob thought he was in heaven and cleaned up. So I can't wait to get behind it after watching b spec bob smash with it.
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- KonKongg
I too was disappointed at the Shelby 427's performance. Its supposed to be an all time great, so either PD is making a mockery or its reputation was earned by luck. I thought I could smash the historic car championship with this car, but I was mistaken when the Ferrari and washing machine showed me how its done. I've had hard times tuning a car, but none come close to the 427, I don't think there will be a tune for that anytime soon.
Anyway, I'm glad your Bob likes the Furai tune because I certainly did. Let me know when you get a hand at it too!
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