Avid Racing Factory [UPDATED 01/02/11]
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- Thunderstruck598
Either I missed something, or you did?
We both like the tune, enjoy the turn it, agree it's very fast, but both found a slight understeer in the middle of the corner, and found spiratic issues with where and when we apply the throttle through the turn. As well, we both seem to have a 'heavier foot' requiring personal adjustments to LSD. I've spoken with Thunderstruck and we both feel that, we can't stomp on the gas like we want to, lol.
Me tooEven online he was killing me, now he's gallavanting his better lap times with photo evidence all over this thread! 👎
The only reason for posting photo evidence was due to a previous post doubting lap times. I apologize if this seems like gloating. No disrespect intended. You are certainly fast and capable of impressive lap times.
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- KonKongg
Posting pictures is perfectly acceptable! I usually don't entertain proof of lap records, but I felt the urge to post a video of the Zonda lapping Suzuka to stress the point that everyone can achieve these lap times.
Lastly, anyone who adopts these tunes should not be questioning the lap times to begin with, predicated that they have read and understood the disclaimer. If anyone has doubts about our tunes and are struggling to match similar times, then that is not Avid's issue but the user's. With that said, user friendliness is much more paramount and I consider it independent of lap times, so feedback will always be welcomed and will definitely be taken into consideration shall I see any amendments where necessary.
Lastly, anyone who adopts these tunes should not be questioning the lap times to begin with, predicated that they have read and understood the disclaimer. If anyone has doubts about our tunes and are struggling to match similar times, then that is not Avid's issue but the user's. With that said, user friendliness is much more paramount and I consider it independent of lap times, so feedback will always be welcomed and will definitely be taken into consideration shall I see any amendments where necessary.
Well in theory, good tunes should produce better lap times. But tunes are all about getting the best performance out of a car, and have more to do with it's handling and inherent characteristics than lap times. Good drivers pull better times even with bad tunes, and bad drivers pull poorer times even with good tunes.
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- Thunderstruck598
I will try to provide a little more detail on my experience with the Furai. My driving style is probably a little unorthadox, but it is my style and I have a difficult time changing. I typically go in hot, brake hard, release and start the corner. Braking before the corner, as you know has started the weight transfer, I usually try to have the car still going straight when on the brakes, when I release the brake the car is mostly settled, and then I start the turn in. I typically like to be on the throttle before the apex, when I do, this seems to cause under-steer in most every car I drive. This is dependant on throttle position, if I apply light to moderate throttle the front end pushes, if I apply too too much throttle at this point obviously this can cause a lack of traction and over-steer. If I apply throttle closer to the apex or just after the apex the car tracks perfectly and powers through with amazing corner exit speed. It seems to me most tunes are suited to power application at or after the apex. Hope this helps.
P.S. Also it seems at least for my driving style, the car could use a little more rebound damping, especially on the rear. It seemed like the rear was lifting on one corner in particular this was cause the rear to become light and the car felt unsettled and traction was reduced. Bare in mind I was "slamming" this car through this corner.
P.S. Also it seems at least for my driving style, the car could use a little more rebound damping, especially on the rear. It seemed like the rear was lifting on one corner in particular this was cause the rear to become light and the car felt unsettled and traction was reduced. Bare in mind I was "slamming" this car through this corner.
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- MyName1sMud
- OBSJiesen
Thanks again for posting all these builds. I saved a few to a word file so I could build them over the weekend.
THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
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- California
- PumpinNumbies
The only reason for posting photo evidence was due to a previous post doubting lap times. I apologize if this seems like gloating. No disrespect intended. You are certainly fast and capable of impressive lap times.
Make no mistake, this post is absolutely, indisputably, 100% guaranteed to be about nothing other, than gloating!
After a better understanding of LSD settings, I decided to put my new found knowledge to test. I put the initial back up, dropped the accel a tiny bit, and dropped the de-accel a large bit. This gave me a very noticeable amount of more turn through the center, which when compared to the ghost right on my tail, was quite interesting to see, a side by side comparison. On just the 2nd lap, I was able to pull off this beauty right here! 1:48.570.
I think I can actually drop this down a bit more, with some fine tuning of the LSD, as well as getting more comfortable with the new throttle timing through corners. This was just a shot in the dark test. I must admit, I also upped the downforce to max, I personally feel lowering the downforce has diminishing returns in GT5, and I use Indy as my proof.
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- KonKongg
WOW way to go Adrenaline. This is why Avid needs test drivers and expert reviewers!!!
How about sharing the specifics about your tune so to benefit our subscribers and who not?
BTW. this confirmed my postulations earlier that the Furai is capable of beating the ZR-1 - its time to give up the throne ZR-1!
Thanks and happy new year!
Vett'e
How about sharing the specifics about your tune so to benefit our subscribers and who not?
BTW. this confirmed my postulations earlier that the Furai is capable of beating the ZR-1 - its time to give up the throne ZR-1!
Thanks and happy new year!
Vett'e
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- KonKongg
You are welcome! It is Avid's pleasure to tune for you.
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- KonKongg
Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z 33) '07
*BY ADOPTING THIS TUNE TO YOUR CAR, YOU AS THE THIRD PARTY USER HAVE READ AND UNDERSTOOD THE CONTENTS OF THE DISCLAIMER*
Firstly, I would like to thank Darknight for donating this car to Avid for tuning. It was a pleasure to tune this car and I'm looking forward to more cooperation in the near future.
The Fairlady Z is a very potent car. Although factory settings meant it was on the soft side, it still took the shakedown with composure and affirmation. The car was taut and although there was noticeable body-roll, it seemed to have little hindrance in the bends.
Initial tuning began with increasing the initial torque whilst slightly decreasing acceleration values. The car was very stable on braking, so conversely braking sensitivity was lowered for better turn-in and coasting. The effect of these changes were pronounce and it significantly improved the car's ability at mid-corner. In the words of Adrenaline (our unofficial test driver) - 'more centre roll'.
Once this was sorted, I looked to stiffening the spring rates and dampers. The nature of an FR car is a heavier front than the rear. Although the spring rates appear to have a front bias, the reverse is actually true. Body roll was addressed by installing stronger anti-roll bars with added negative camber for better cornering. Rear toe was also decreased and very slight front toe-out was used to promote better response on turn-in. Ride height was dropped with a slightly higher rare, again to promote turn-in.
Lastly, the rear wing was tweaked to give higher down-force for straight line stability and to offer more grip to the rear on rapid bends.
I have yet driven a race-spec Fairlady, but I can already imagine its potential predicated on what I have experienced with the road-going version so far - this is no overstatement.
Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z33) '07
HP 509 @ 7800 rpm
Torque: 427 @ 5400 rpm
Curb Mass: 1228 kg
Weight Distribution: 53 / 47
Requirements:
- everything except the turbo.
- will need to purchase a rear wing from the shop
Aerodynamics: -- / 18
Initial Torque: -- / 32
Acceleration Sensitivity: -- / 36
Braking Sensitivity: -- / 16
Transmission: 280 (good for suzuka)
Ride Height: 18 / 16
Spring Rate: 14.8 / 15.4
Extension: 8 / 7
Compression: 6 / 6
Anti-roll Bars: 6 / 6
Camber Angle (-): 2.4 / 2.2
Toe Angle: -0.02 / 0.10
Brake Balance: 8 / 5
Best lap on Suzuka is 2:12.196, 2:07.745, and 2:04.534 with Sports Soft, Racing Hard, and Racing Soft respectively.
Note: I tune with sports tires then finalize with racing hard, these settings aren't necessarily universal so you may find that the current set up isn't well suited for sports tires. That's not to say it won't handle well, just not to its full potential.
Enjoy!
*BY ADOPTING THIS TUNE TO YOUR CAR, YOU AS THE THIRD PARTY USER HAVE READ AND UNDERSTOOD THE CONTENTS OF THE DISCLAIMER*
Firstly, I would like to thank Darknight for donating this car to Avid for tuning. It was a pleasure to tune this car and I'm looking forward to more cooperation in the near future.
The Fairlady Z is a very potent car. Although factory settings meant it was on the soft side, it still took the shakedown with composure and affirmation. The car was taut and although there was noticeable body-roll, it seemed to have little hindrance in the bends.
Initial tuning began with increasing the initial torque whilst slightly decreasing acceleration values. The car was very stable on braking, so conversely braking sensitivity was lowered for better turn-in and coasting. The effect of these changes were pronounce and it significantly improved the car's ability at mid-corner. In the words of Adrenaline (our unofficial test driver) - 'more centre roll'.
Once this was sorted, I looked to stiffening the spring rates and dampers. The nature of an FR car is a heavier front than the rear. Although the spring rates appear to have a front bias, the reverse is actually true. Body roll was addressed by installing stronger anti-roll bars with added negative camber for better cornering. Rear toe was also decreased and very slight front toe-out was used to promote better response on turn-in. Ride height was dropped with a slightly higher rare, again to promote turn-in.
Lastly, the rear wing was tweaked to give higher down-force for straight line stability and to offer more grip to the rear on rapid bends.
I have yet driven a race-spec Fairlady, but I can already imagine its potential predicated on what I have experienced with the road-going version so far - this is no overstatement.
Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z33) '07
HP 509 @ 7800 rpm
Torque: 427 @ 5400 rpm
Curb Mass: 1228 kg
Weight Distribution: 53 / 47
Requirements:
- everything except the turbo.
- will need to purchase a rear wing from the shop
Aerodynamics: -- / 18
Initial Torque: -- / 32
Acceleration Sensitivity: -- / 36
Braking Sensitivity: -- / 16
Transmission: 280 (good for suzuka)
Ride Height: 18 / 16
Spring Rate: 14.8 / 15.4
Extension: 8 / 7
Compression: 6 / 6
Anti-roll Bars: 6 / 6
Camber Angle (-): 2.4 / 2.2
Toe Angle: -0.02 / 0.10
Brake Balance: 8 / 5
Best lap on Suzuka is 2:12.196, 2:07.745, and 2:04.534 with Sports Soft, Racing Hard, and Racing Soft respectively.
Note: I tune with sports tires then finalize with racing hard, these settings aren't necessarily universal so you may find that the current set up isn't well suited for sports tires. That's not to say it won't handle well, just not to its full potential.
Enjoy!
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- RRiDarknight07
- RRiDarknighto0
Good afternoon to all,
Fisrt I want to wish everyone a Happy and safe New Year. See you all on the other side in 2011!!!!
I am gonig to give a short review of the above tune for the Z33 that has been in the hands of AVID.
When I first started racing this car prior to AVID's hands, I knew that it had potential. I ran many of my lower A-spec races with it and even had Bob run a few laps. It sat in my Garage waiting for a shop to do their work and bring out the true life of this vehicle. AVID received the car and went to work and I must say it is a great improvment. Now don't be mistaken, as this is not a "Supercar", however this is witout a doubt a fun car to drive.
The cars balance makes it easy to stop and manuver some of the swift chicanes that GT offers. Stick to the settings above and you will be hard pressed to find much tail happy movement from her. I am not the greatest driver yet I managed a decent 2:07XXX with Racing Soft on Suzuka.
The car has a stable mid corner stance and exit speed is on point It will hardly ever bite back when pushed to the limit. I would say that I expected a little more in the horsepower range however doing this I belive will ruin the build and sacrifice the integrity of the vehicle. AVID got it right and for that I say thank you.
I challenge you to drive this Z and not fall in love with it. If you build it and don't make it a favorite then I'd be surprised.
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- PumpinNumbies
I wouldn't get ahead of myself. I'm going to go back and play with the ZR-1 LSD now as well, I feel that, if I can get the ZR-1 to improve to my liking as much as the Furai did, simply with LSD settings, that I'll be in business!
For the Furai my final settings were as follows:
Initial: 17
Acceleration: 27
Braking: 7
Downforce: 35 / 60
All other settings are exactly as specified in your original tune.
Vette, Do you have a new PSN ID? konkongg shows as invalid when I enter it. Trying to send you that Spirra.
Thanks
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- KonKongg
Hi Darknight,
Thanks for your review! I too felt that the chassis could take much more horsepower given its superior chassis. I originally intended to have the car's engine as natural as possible, but then again I felt that it was underpowered. Although the supercharger worked charms the novelty quickly faded, and all I wanted was more POWERRRRR. Nevertheless, its a great car to drive and I certainly had fun tuning it.
Thanks
Thanks for your review! I too felt that the chassis could take much more horsepower given its superior chassis. I originally intended to have the car's engine as natural as possible, but then again I felt that it was underpowered. Although the supercharger worked charms the novelty quickly faded, and all I wanted was more POWERRRRR. Nevertheless, its a great car to drive and I certainly had fun tuning it.
Thanks
1:46.123 round Monza in the Furai with your tune. Bearing in mind I got this game 3 days ago and that time should improve, not bad and a higher thanks for the tune, I had taken to calling it Goldilocks before, always under or over steering, never settled. Many thanks Vette!
BTW, I never promote the use of Racing Soft tires, all tunes here are initially tuned with Sports Soft to give the chassis and suspension a thorough shakedown, and then given Racing Hard for finalizing.
Sorry be late to the party on this, and my first post so hi all, but can I please ask why? some cars suit me very well on soft racing, but most don't, I usually race on hards. I should add I am new to this, only bought the game 3 days ago as I am more of a shooter than a driver. Using very battered six axis controller, so please excuse a very on / off style of driving but I lack the finesse to meter out power and brakes as I would on a proper racing set up. Incidently I race 4x4's offroad - poor man's rally raid stuff.
In regards tunes I was delighted to see your tune for the car I did call Goldilocks, the Furai. Your tune has transformed the Furai for my money - 1:46.123 on Monza first time out. Forever on trial mountain I seem to spend most of the time guarding against one wheel burning. Any thoughts please, noting my controller is held together with gaffer tape! LOL!
Great work so far Vette!
Sorry be late to the party on this, and my first post so hi all, but can I please ask why? some cars suit me very well on soft racing, but most don't, I usually race on hards. I should add I am new to this, only bought the game 3 days ago as I am more of a shooter than a driver. Using very battered six axis controller, so please excuse a very on / off style of driving but I lack the finesse to meter out power and brakes as I would on a proper racing set up. Incidently I race 4x4's offroad - poor man's rally raid stuff.
In regards tunes I was delighted to see your tune for the car I did call Goldilocks, the Furai. Your tune has transformed the Furai for my money - 1:46.123 on Monza first time out. Forever on trial mountain I seem to spend most of the time guarding against one wheel burning. Any thoughts please, noting my controller is held together with gaffer tape! LOL!
Great work so far Vette!
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- minivanman714
My review of this tune.
I bought this car early on in my career. A 350Z is one of the most economical performance cars on the market. New from the dealer, it cost a bit over 30k, which is a steal for the money this car will eventually win you. You can slowly add performance modifications to the car as your races get harder. Thereby keeping some cash in your account available for other expenditures as you build up your career.
As you progress so does your tune. You add more horsepower, you add better tires, suspension packages, etc. So, it's a car that will grow with you. My final tune was very similar, though "looser" in the suspension. Avid's tune is fantastic, really pushing this car to the edge, and getting as much potential as possible.
Your racing career can start with this car, and in the end it will win the Super GT series. In a head to head with my Takata Dome NSX on Tokyo, the NSX only beats the Z by 1.5 seconds per lap. Good enough to beat an AI Dome NSX.
Suzuka I was getting 2:07s on soft racing tires in rain. My previous tune was about 2-3 seconds slower with heavier understeer, and a bit more roll in the chassis. Though, up until Super GT, it was winning races with room to spare.
It's not the fastest by any means. But it's reliable, and will win you gobs of money without having to shell out a fortune. It's easy to drive, and you'll be begging for more horsepower, as the chassis would easily handle another 100 ponies or so.
Like I said you don't need to fully upgrade the car in the beginning. Just race it stock as soon as you can afford one in the beginning of the game.
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- KonKongg
Hi Gaelfury,
Thank you for using out tunes! The biggest problem I see with using racing soft tires is it masks the underlying problem a car has, and when the tires decide to give up then all havoc is release from the gates of hell unto you. A few weeks ago when, I hosted a server online that specified the strict use of sports soft tires only - I hadn't lost a single match, not until I changed the regulations anyway. Anyway, what my tuning aims to do is pamper the chassis so to make it shine under all conditions, rather than buy it fake performance.
Anyhow, the Zonda R is a bit of a handful even with low acceleration sensitivity, so throttle modulation is essential. I race with a Logitech g27 so I suppose I have it easier off, but its not an impossible task on the DS3 because I've tried that before too.
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- KonKongg
Bobs aren't known to conserve tires, not for me anyway (my Bob was born a dirfter, he seriously drifts better than I do). Nevertheless, I suggest 'cooling' him with your commands. Hot headed Bobs become anxious to get going in mid-corners so they accelerate way too early and initiates drifts. So it is in your part to give them the correct commands!!!
OR
Use a harder compound tire?
Cheers
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- RRiDarknight07
- RRiDarknighto0
Hope AVID had a Happy New year!!! I've got some work to send your way this week, not sure how you are doing on the funds department. The projects will have all the parts needed for you to do your magic with them. Have a good one and I'll talk to you real soon.
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- KonKongg
The car is tuned with sports soft tyres and then finalized on racing hard. The setup, needless of any changes, should suffice for racing soft tyres. However, with additional grip, you may want to lower intial torque settings and increase acceleration sensitivity. Conversely, you may also want to stiffen the springs slightly.
I do not recommend doing changes though because if done incorrectly, it may upset the car's balance - especially with setting done to the limited slip differential.
The tune I have made for the Zonda was optimized for smooth tracks, so abrupt surfaces may hinder throttle modulation causing sudden snap-steer. To counter that, lower damper values, spring rates and also increase ride height slightly.
Cheers
I do not recommend doing changes though because if done incorrectly, it may upset the car's balance - especially with setting done to the limited slip differential.
The tune I have made for the Zonda was optimized for smooth tracks, so abrupt surfaces may hinder throttle modulation causing sudden snap-steer. To counter that, lower damper values, spring rates and also increase ride height slightly.
Cheers
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- gudiksen
I just wanted to give a short review of the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) RM '09 tune.
I’ve tried every Corvette tune that I could come across but the beast was still to aggressive and unstable, so in the end I ended up with a mix. I thought I was happy, but I was tempted by your tune which was very different from the setup I was running.
My driving style is full speed, straight line break down, turn in using the break to gently shift the weight, gently throttle thru the mid-corner and power out of the end-corner. I prefer a bit oversteer and a nice torque if I need more rear-end control. So I was very excited to read a comment confirming this setup was tuned this way.
The first time I tried your tune was on Top Gear Test Track, as I was in a hurry. I know this is not the ideal testtrack, but I just wanned to test it against my 1 min rounds. My first impression was ”wow this is wobbly, way to soft, this is way off!!”…
Coming from a combination of Sail IC and RKM ZR06 it was VERY different to steer and soft in the suspensions. I though this would never go – until I tried it the next day on the ring…. WOW!
I was blown by its handling, grip and insane speed. The trick was to break a bit later then I was used to (in this car) and keep a light pressure on the break while starting the turn in, when the weight had fully shifted the grip and speed was insane! Before when i kept a light break pressure I would experience major understeer – but this was the opposite, just the way I like it!
This is by fare my preferred tune and the ZR1 is now without doubt my favorite car as well. The amount of power and traction this car delivers is incredible.
When I get the time I’ll give the Furi and GT-R a try. I’m very excited to compare the GT-R with the Lion’s Den Performance tune that I’ve used for weeks.
Thank you for sharing!
I’ve tried every Corvette tune that I could come across but the beast was still to aggressive and unstable, so in the end I ended up with a mix. I thought I was happy, but I was tempted by your tune which was very different from the setup I was running.
My driving style is full speed, straight line break down, turn in using the break to gently shift the weight, gently throttle thru the mid-corner and power out of the end-corner. I prefer a bit oversteer and a nice torque if I need more rear-end control. So I was very excited to read a comment confirming this setup was tuned this way.
The first time I tried your tune was on Top Gear Test Track, as I was in a hurry. I know this is not the ideal testtrack, but I just wanned to test it against my 1 min rounds. My first impression was ”wow this is wobbly, way to soft, this is way off!!”…
Coming from a combination of Sail IC and RKM ZR06 it was VERY different to steer and soft in the suspensions. I though this would never go – until I tried it the next day on the ring…. WOW!
I was blown by its handling, grip and insane speed. The trick was to break a bit later then I was used to (in this car) and keep a light pressure on the break while starting the turn in, when the weight had fully shifted the grip and speed was insane! Before when i kept a light break pressure I would experience major understeer – but this was the opposite, just the way I like it!
This is by fare my preferred tune and the ZR1 is now without doubt my favorite car as well. The amount of power and traction this car delivers is incredible.
When I get the time I’ll give the Furi and GT-R a try. I’m very excited to compare the GT-R with the Lion’s Den Performance tune that I’ve used for weeks.
Thank you for sharing!
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- buziii
I used your Lexus IS-F Racing Concept tune, after trying another, and I like it very much. I used it to win the German DTM championship. I won the Nurb race, but it was a bit unstable there. What adjustments to your original tune would you make for the Nurb? I'm sure I should raise the height, loosen the springs, etc., but I need help keeping the suspension settings in balance.
I liked the bolded part. I actually own one (sitting in my garage and sleeping during winter) and I love it. Thanks for the review.
