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Look at the difference in Production budget too, nearly 5 times as much spent on BvS!
He said gross.

Net is a whole other ball of wax, and if that's a concern the WB needs to have an intervention with Snyder.

Baring in mind Deadpool didn't open in China and the fact it's Deadpool just shows how bad BVS is doing.
Not sure what your Deadpool hate is.

BvS was on 25% more screens. That offsets the running time issues.
 
@FoolKiller a relatively unknown marvel comic against the trinity.

Not hating at all but feel WB should be very letdown by what BVS is doing (and they are).
 
a relatively unknown marvel comic

You think Deadpool is unknown? He's just as popular as the Avengers, X-men, or anybody else out there. Honestly, he's probably more popular in this day and age. Why do you think the movie did so well?
 
I'm struggling to understand why so much emotion is involved in how much a movie has grossed...

And I'm seriously going to have to question the "relatively unknown Marvel comic" comment as well, because it comes across as you missing the entire reason the movie has been an utter success from the get-go.
 
I'm struggling to understand why so much emotion is involved in how much a movie has grossed...

...It's simple, really: easiest way to measure the perceived success of a movie, is via how much money it makes. Not a measure of how good a film is, I know.

As far as how well Deadpool is known to the wider general audience whose knowledge of comic book characters extend only to what they've seen on the big screen, then @sems4arsenal does have a point. Superman and Batman, plus Wonder Woman are cultural icons, DP isn't.

Maybe he didn't word his post as well as he should've.
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Ken
You think Deadpool is unknown? He's just as popular as the Avengers, X-men, or anybody else out there. Honestly, he's probably more popular in this day and age. Why do you think the movie did so well?

Because it's fantastic and very well made which isn't the same for BVS.
 
compared to Batman and Superman though? (counting mainstream audience as well).
In today's comic book followers, I dare say yes. However, in the mainstream, I would have to say no. But look at today's mainstream followers. Superman movies haven't done all that well, and it wasn't until Heath Ledger came along that Batman did well either.
 
Ken
In today's comic book followers, I dare say yes. However, in the mainstream, I would have to say no. But look at today's mainstream followers. Superman movies haven't done all that well, and it wasn't until Heath Ledger came along that Batman did well either.

Valid points but a film that has Batman in it (especially in a post TDK trilogy) should easily easily gross more than DP.
 
Valid points but a film that has Batman in it (especially in a post TDK trilogy) should easily easily gross more than DP.

I'd say equal. But you're right, BVS should be doing much better than this. I've been turned off from seeing it because of the reviews I've read here.
 
To address the Deadpool awareness: He has his own videogame that was popular enough for a rerelease. He has been featured in animated shows and films. He also had a planned, but cancelled, spin off film from X-Men Origins: Wolverine before that film even came out. They have also intended to have him in an X-Force spinoff from the X-Men films since at least 2013. He was in 14 videogames other than his own, including the free-to-play mobile game Contest of Champions, where he was a $19.99 add-on at launch. $19.99!!! And far more people have paid for him than I would have ever guessed.

And I haven't even touched on how much he has done in major events in the comics.

This is amazing for a character who was supposed to only be in three issues as a parody of Deathstroke.

Honestly, the release of his movie was wonderfully timed for hitting at the peak of his popularity.
 
I'm struggling to understand why so much emotion is involved in how much a movie has grossed...

The same reason people pin their hopes to a certain video game's sales numbers... :P

And I'm seriously going to have to question the "relatively unknown Marvel comic" comment as well, because it comes across as you missing the entire reason the movie has been an utter success from the get-go.

I don't know if I'd point to Deadpool's popularity for the success of the film, though. My girlfriend was the one pushing for us to go see it, and she had never even heard of him until the trailers. I think the fact it was a laugh-out-loud, raunchy comedy that happened to involve superheroes garnered it more success than the other way around.

Of course, there's no way to prove it one way or the other, and if anything, I'm more concerned that the studios will take the wrong thing away from Deadpool's success: that the R-rating was the key. Judging by the talk of the "Director's Cut" of BvS moving to an R, that might already be happening.
 
The same reason people pin their hopes to a certain video game's sales numbers... :P

I was going to mention that myself after @JKgo commented.

I don't know if I'd point to Deadpool's popularity for the success of the film, though. My girlfriend was the one pushing for us to go see it, and she had never even heard of him until the trailers. I think the fact it was a laugh-out-loud, raunchy comedy that happened to involve superheroes garnered it more success than the other way around.

Of course, there's no way to prove it one way or the other, and if anything, I'm more concerned that the studios will take the wrong thing away from Deadpool's success: that the R-rating was the key. Judging by the talk of the "Director's Cut" of BvS moving to an R, that might already be happening.

As @FoolKiller mentioned and you unknowingly (?) brought to light yourself, it succeeded for all of those reasons. A standalone film has been desired since Ryan snagged the role back in X-Men because his performance was just that good; he was about as natural for the role as RDJ is for Tony Stark, save for the uncanny likeness. :lol:
 
Ken
Being a raunchy Ryan Reynolds movie probably didn't hurt.

Probably. But prior to this, he was almost a guarantee for a film to *not* make money at the box office:
  • Self/less
  • R.I.P.D.
  • Safe House
  • Green Lantern
Then again, we've been fans of him since Two Guys and a Girl (and a Pizza Place), so it wasn't like she really had to try to convince me. :lol:
 
Probably. But prior to this, he was almost a guarantee for a film to *not* make money at the box office:
  • Self/less
  • R.I.P.D.
  • Safe House
  • Green Lantern
Then again, we've been fans of him since Two Guys and a Girl (and a Pizza Place), so it wasn't like she really had to try to convince me. :lol:

Granted, his movies haven't been money-makers as of late. Or even good at anything, really. But he's always good as a turn for women. Hell, I'm straight and he makes me sweat. (Maybe it's jealously.)

EDIT: Is BvS worth at least a $4.75 ticket?
 
Watched this last Friday.

I've enjoyed all the marvel ones to different extents, but this, it felt rushed and jumped about too much, I was finding it hard to follow what was going on.

I haven't read any of the comics, I'm only young but I just didn't get it. Maybe I'm the wrong audience but I saw all the hype for it and like both characters (loved the dark night trilogy and did enjoy man of steel) but I just don't rate this film.

Since when were Batman and Superman in the same universe? At least with marvel it was hinted at if I remember?

Surely Superman should batter Batman (God or whatever v man in suit)

I just, I'm disappointed, I was hoping to see batman v superman but it felt like 10 mins of that and the rest spent not really making sense

Maybe it's just me?
 
Since when were Batman and Superman in the same universe?

They always have been, however, this is the first movie to depict both of them at the same time.

EDIT: Derp. It just occurred to me that you may have meant something else, and they haven't been in the same universe, at least not officially, until now. There were offhand mentions and whatnot but nothing like this.


At least with marvel it was hinted at if I remember?

Marvel is something of a different story because they've been laying the groundwork for future movies, cameos and gatherings since the original Iron Man. That might explain why you're more comfortable with heroes coming out the woodwork in the MCU as opposed to this... sudden grouping of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman in BvS.

To be honest, I can't fault your confusion because the movie does a horrible job of explaining how any of this took place even to people who know exactly what's going on. I'm one of those people and I spent a good portion of my viewing scratching my head and saying (to myself) "Wait, what?"


Surely Superman should batter Batman (God or whatever v man in suit)

The short answer: yes. The complicated answer is basically both have done things they haven't had any business getting away from. Both are as competent as the pen permits, both in comic books and movies. In the movie it's steeped a little bit more on the 'preventative measures' side of things by making Batman as resourceful as he can be.

I just, I'm disappointed, I was hoping to see batman v superman but it felt like 10 mins of that and the rest spent not really making sense

Maybe it's just me?

It isn't just you, believe me. :lol:
 
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Ken
EDIT: Is BvS worth at least a $4.75 ticket?
I paid $9 and don't regret it. Even if it wasn't great it wasn't a waste.

Since when were Batman and Superman in the same universe? At least with marvel it was hinted at if I remember?
There was a Wayne Industries logo on a satellite in Man of Steel. The same one you see on the helicopter at the beginning. They hinted at it, but very vaguely.

Surely Superman should batter Batman (God or whatever v man in suit)
Kryptonite's a hell of a drug. And Superman was holding back. He even said he was. It's the first time he's ever held back in the Snyder version, but he did.

I just, I'm disappointed, I was hoping to see batman v superman but it felt like 10 mins of that and the rest spent not really making sense

Maybe it's just me?
They put three large stories from the comics into this and poorly connected them. Not just you.
 
This was my biggest problem with the movie.


I know little about comics and just wanted to watch the "new Batman movie". I was a big fan of Nolan's trilogy (and Tim Burton's, way before that).

Not having read much about it, what I found at the theatre was that the title of the movie is completely misleading, maybe to attract fools like me (I never payed any attention to the subtitle "Dawn of Justice" either).

Only now I'm understanding that this was some sort of introduction to the Justice League movie(s) that will be coming out - something which I never really cared about and won't definitely be caring now after watching this movie.

In the end, it was a big disappointment for me, although I understand that part of it is my fault.
I wonder if I was the only one in this situation, or if the bad reputation the movie is having is a reflection of other people feeling the same.


Ironically, and as a final note, what I liked most about it was the one thing I had doubts ever since I first heard about it: Ben Affleck as Batman.

They used source material as well. Tim Burton less so due to the time frame and all that but Nolan used quite a bit. But I doubt you were the only one, I'd say your the only one that actually takes blame for the wrong notion.

@Terronium-12 Eh, Batman is the most resourceful man in the DC universe though, and by some stretch the smartest. Which is a powerful tool on its own compared the super powered friends he from time to time joins up with. I don't see it at all that far fetched, same way I don't see Iron Man/Tony Stark getting himself out of every situation as well.
 
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@Terronium-12 Eh, Batman is the most resourceful man in the DC universe though, and by some stretch the smartest. Which is a powerful tool on its own compared the super powered friends he from time to time joins up with. I don't see it at all that far fetched, same way I don't see Iron Man/Tony Stark getting himself out of every situation as well.

Oh, I know. There are people that don't fear Superman but fear Bats because of his MO. Let's also not forget that he briefly became a god.

Or was offered a ring. By the Sinestro Corps. Good lord, could you imagine how that would have turned out?
 
Oh, I know. There are people that don't fear Superman but fear Bats because of his MO. Let's also not forget that he briefly became a god.

Or was offered a ring. By the Sinestro Corps. Good lord, could you imagine how that would have turned out?

I forget what the Sinestro ring fully represent, I was reminded through that awful green lantern cartoon a few years ago but have forgot all over again.

Also Batman did bear a ring in Forever Evil a year or two ago. That was interesting, but then again I actually enjoy new 52 compared to the new comics of Marvel.
 
Sinestro's ring signifies "Fear"... which would be fitting for Batman, because that's what his primary weapon against petty criminals is.

But "Will" is more Batman's personal style, however.

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I think it's a mistake to overestimate Deadpool's cultural significance. Do comic readers and video game bros know who he is? A definite yes. Does the general public? Nope.

That the movie achieved so much success is down to some innovative marketing and smart production. Something that's been lacking lately with comic book movies. I haven't seen such intelligent build-up to a movie since Marvel launched "Guardians"... and it's in the same vein... tickle people's fancies... promise a comic book movie that's not like other comic book movies, tease them enough to keep them interested, and leave them wanting for more.

And... of course... deliver a movie that's light and enjoyable enough for people to want to see more than once.

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That's regular people... not comic book fans, mind you.


It's certainly being said in many places though, it rather smacks of being told that one simply doesn't understand enough to deserve to enjoy it. Balls to that :D

It's awfully funny that they're saying that about critics... people who often have more brains and knowledge of movies (and even comic books) than the people saying it. :D
 
They always have been, however, this is the first movie to depict both of them at the same time.

EDIT: Derp. It just occurred to me that you may have meant something else, and they haven't been in the same universe, at least not officially, until now. There were offhand mentions and whatnot but nothing like this.


Ahha okay then, it was just strange.

Marvel is something of a different story because they've been laying the groundwork for future movies, cameos and gatherings since the original Iron Man. That might explain why you're more comfortable with heroes coming out the woodwork in the MCU as opposed to this... sudden grouping of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman in BvS.


To be honest, I can't fault your confusion because the movie does a horrible job of explaining how any of this took place even to people who know exactly what's going on. I'm one of those people and I spent a good portion of my viewing scratching my head and saying (to myself) "Wait, what?"


I think you're right, I think it would be similar to if Civil War came out first, the whole all superheroes in the same universe at once. It seems like they have rushed to get the film out? I know its a film and what not but it is a bit convenient that wonder woman is about too but that can be said for any plot really :P

The short answer: yes. The complicated answer is basically both have done things they haven't had any business getting away from. Both are as competent as the pen permits, both in comic books and movies. In the movie it's steeped a little bit more on the 'preventative measures' side of things by making Batman as resourceful as he can be.

I must admit I do prefer Superman. Of course they need to sell the film so it will only be what the writer allows, I do understand that. It just seems a bit like 'oh there is this god dude but the random guy in a suit is gonna be 30 seconds from killing him' I just don't see it. If it really was a fight Superman should end it in a couple of minutes but obviously then there is no film or justice league. It just seems a bit of a cheap shot at the audience, at least to me :P But again, it sets up a greater overall than one film.

It isn't just you, believe me. :lol:

Good to know :D

There was a Wayne Industries logo on a satellite in Man of Steel. The same one you see on the helicopter at the beginning. They hinted at it, but very vaguely.

Ahh okay then :)

Kryptonite's a hell of a drug. And Superman was holding back. He even said he was. It's the first time he's ever held back in the Snyder version, but he did.

I do seem to remember something along those lines, but that doesn't make sense in a film billed as B v S to me at least. I must have missed this, how does Batman find out that Kryptonite is Superman's weakness?

They put three large stories from the comics into this and poorly connected them. Not just you.

I asked my dad and he read the comic ages ago but hasn't seen the film yet so I can't get his opinion.
 
He got the info about Kryptonite from the LexCorp servers.

In the comics Batman always keeps a piece of Kryptonite in a lead-lined pouch on his utility belt, "Just in case."
 
I'm half way through and so far I'm not overly feeling it. It seems to lack a soul, as it were.
 
Christopher Nolan doesn't understand the fantasy that comic book movies require (that and his insistence on shooting practical effects). The only reason why The Dark Knight trilogy was so successful was because he picked villains that are somewhat grounded in reality, Bane, Ra's Al Gul all deviated from their comic book origins in the films that it was just sickening. The only one that he got somewhat right is Joker, but not even his origin is told with a straight face (if you accept his origin story in The Killing Joke as the real Joker origin).
Is it necessarily the director's responsibility to accurately recreate comic books on film? Nolan might have shied away from dedicated adaptations, but I don't think that it automatically disqualifies his films from being considered good films. Look at The Dark Knight as a prime example of this - the Joker's plan isn't to frame Batman or kidnap his girlfriend or get revenge, but rather to corrupt the idea of Batman, which is pretty revolutionary for any film, much less a comic book film (which until then had been aimed more at kids than anything else). His only real mis-step was the lack of focus in The Dark Knight Rises - it's a shame he didn't get the opportunity to work in Lincoln March and the Court of Owls; they would have worked so much better than the League of Shadows.
 
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