Bertone Designer Kept Working on Vision GT Car After Company's Bankruptcy
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Does it really need further explanation?
Gran Turismo is supposed to be a simulator. Yet it seems fictional cars (which simply have no true simulation value) more and more play a leading role in the series. Although I'm aware that GT always had concept cars in one or another form, nobody can deny that the VGT programme pushes this to new extremes. This is why I think that the VGT thing is one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the series.
This doesn't mean I hate Gran Turismo, in fact I love it (and yes, I also play other race sims), but Gran Turismo could be a lot better if PD stops the focus on fictional cars and invests that time and money in real world cars.
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I have no opinion one way or the other HOWEVER, PD do well to give us the opportunity to segregrate the VGT classes from normal competition.
I can see how the Audi Gr.1 might be ok in the LMP1 type class but give people the option to get them out.
I see no reason for the 2x to be the VGT races... in fact they are not in the Nurburgring race for very good reason.
I did beat the 2x in Dragon Gardens as the AI has a hard time with the 800hp plus cars on tighter smaller tracks but they run away at the Ring.
If you keep the clowns in the own clown race then no one cares really.
its when you mix the VGTs into the general population then people have an issue.
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Looks like it should have a button on your control method of choice devoted to firing machineguns....
....I'm in,
....I'm in,
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Today on GTPlanet: More discourse over videogames having videogame cars
I can't believe its been 4 years already
I can't believe its been 4 years already
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Umm, no thanks, I'd rather have a true Bertone beauty.
This is Bertone ...... not this ugly grasshopper..
One of the best car-porn threads in awhile.
Bertone passion is still alive.
TonyJZX
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This has been an ongoing war since the introduction of GT6 and PD does itself no favours when they do the 2x type nonsense.
I'm fine with a selection of VGTs from the Golfs to the McLarens to the 2x however I can see why people get annoyed when they get buzzed by spaceships on their races.
I'm fine with a selection of VGTs from the Golfs to the McLarens to the 2x however I can see why people get annoyed when they get buzzed by spaceships on their races.
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Am I the only who who is not sad at all for the batmobile staying out of GT? I'll go even further: I'm actually really happy that the design did not make it.
Don't get me wrong, I like Bertone and I respect the designers, but I hate bat-mobiles visions fantasy bull**** in a game like GT (would work in wipeout), no matter who makes them. It's something that should be exorcised out of GT as soon as possible. Everyone call a priest!
Don't get me wrong, I like Bertone and I respect the designers, but I hate bat-mobiles visions fantasy bull**** in a game like GT (would work in wipeout), no matter who makes them. It's something that should be exorcised out of GT as soon as possible. Everyone call a priest!
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A distinct part of simulation is extrapolate a 'what if' scenario from models constructed using existing data and knowledge - in that respect it's unfair to say they have no true simulation value... they are not replications of existing models as 'real' cars are, they are simulations of 'what if...' scenarios. In both of those cases the idea is to simulate the experience of driving them, which is equally true of both.
FWIW, I like the VGT's generally speaking, though I'm not really a fan of this design at all, but then I wouldn't have been bothered by its inclusion either.
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I don't agree at all. Yes GT is, I guess, a "simulator" but it's still ultimately a game. And while the VGTs have no true simulation value most seem to have realistic handling characteristics. When it comes to GT I couldn't care less about whether the cars are real or not, that's not what I come to GT for. I play Gran Turismo mainly for the fun factor and VGTs like the Tomahawk X or the 2X are some of the most enjoyable cars that I've driven in any GT game, purely due to the sheer insanity of them.
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I personally don't like VGTs because they are futuristic. I don't care if they are real or not, but a majority of them are so ugly and futuristic looking. I'm just not into it.
If more VGTs come to the game, hopefully they look more natural. Just my two cents.
If more VGTs come to the game, hopefully they look more natural. Just my two cents.
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What is your definition of "simulation value?"
VGTs are in the game. They have models. You can simulate driving them. Some of them have interiors. I feel like all of this adds to the simulation value. Otherwise, couldn't "no true simulation value" apply to every car in GTS?
As for everything else, I can sort of understand where you're coming from. I can't deny how strange it is to see a car like the Bugatti VGT, with its wide body and large wheels, racing alongside the LMP cars. The contrast is uncanny, for sure, but it is what it is in my opinion. If the game allows people to drive VGTs alongside real racing cars, than that's just more power to the people who want to do that. I don't really understand how that detracts from your enjoyment of the game, and I'm not sure I can understand, but... there you go.
Edit: My 2 cents on the Bertone VGT: I thought it looked pretty nice until I saw the back. Reminds me of the Peugeot L500 VGT and how unappealing that car's rear is. I do like the colors though.
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TonyJZX
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People naturally look at features they dont like and they feel like effort there detracts from features that they want.
Its not logical because I'm not privy to how PD divides their workflow.
eg. most people dont care for Rally so all these rally cars and rally events and the rally tracks seem like wasted effort when they could be bringing us stuff that matters to most of us... that is, real world tracks and more real world cars, in that order.
To my thinking VGTs are a glamour effort to get companies involved and it makes for a lot of free publicity.
A comparison might be to GT5's and FM6's brief fling with Nascar.
Do I care for that? Nope. Do most people care for that? I'd say no. Does PD or T10 care for that? Not any more.
VGTs are sort of like that... as it stands PD thinks this is what we want and what drives the press. I notice that just about every car company involved has press releases on VGTs on their websites and what not. I reckon PD thinks this is great as it establishes commerical legitimacy.
PD may feel that VGTs are an integral part of Gran Turismo from GT6 on. It sucks for most people but there it is.
Its not logical because I'm not privy to how PD divides their workflow.
eg. most people dont care for Rally so all these rally cars and rally events and the rally tracks seem like wasted effort when they could be bringing us stuff that matters to most of us... that is, real world tracks and more real world cars, in that order.
To my thinking VGTs are a glamour effort to get companies involved and it makes for a lot of free publicity.
A comparison might be to GT5's and FM6's brief fling with Nascar.
Do I care for that? Nope. Do most people care for that? I'd say no. Does PD or T10 care for that? Not any more.
VGTs are sort of like that... as it stands PD thinks this is what we want and what drives the press. I notice that just about every car company involved has press releases on VGTs on their websites and what not. I reckon PD thinks this is great as it establishes commerical legitimacy.
PD may feel that VGTs are an integral part of Gran Turismo from GT6 on. It sucks for most people but there it is.
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More real world cars could improve the quality of the game's car list for you, but that won't change the Sport Mode's penalty system, the offline AI, or the track list- things that, in my opinion, should come before adding more cars, VGT or otherwise (not to say we can't have the best of both worlds).
Furthermore, PD have been developing real world cars for GTS alongside new VGTs, and so far, I'd say there is a nice balance between real and concept. Even before the DLC cars came, we had new cars that weren't in GT6, such as the Honda NSX, Mclaren 650S, and the Ferrari LaFerrari, just to name a few, along with some new VGTs. Ever since, we got more cars that weren't in GT6, such as the BMW M3 E30, De Tomaso Pantera, and the Ford Raptor, not to mention the Toyota Supra, with a brand new model replacing the one from before GT6. And, again, a few new VGTs were thrown in the mix as well. All in all, I believe the addition of all these new cars goes against your argument that PD have not been spending much resources toward the development of real world cars.
It's absolutely fine to dislike the VGTs, but I don't think you should let a bunch of concepts get in the way of your fun.
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Up to the very end of VGTs in GT6, say June 2015, I think the VGT program if you go on the feedback on this GT6 forum, was a success.
I feel people here at least, saw what they were trying to do and we felt like we were involved in the process.
However it took a lot of work on their side... the updates included videos and pencil drawings and schematics etc.
Then PD gave away the cars for doing a menial challenge.
When you do this, I think people are enthusiastic with you.
When you do them like in GTS, well people arent so enthusiastic I feel.
I feel like the way they did the GT6 updates was better than they way they do them now.
I feel people here at least, saw what they were trying to do and we felt like we were involved in the process.
However it took a lot of work on their side... the updates included videos and pencil drawings and schematics etc.
Then PD gave away the cars for doing a menial challenge.
When you do this, I think people are enthusiastic with you.
When you do them like in GTS, well people arent so enthusiastic I feel.
I feel like the way they did the GT6 updates was better than they way they do them now.
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I never said PD wasn't investing in the development of real world cars. What I say is that they are investing too much in fictional cars, of which many likely never would come to production (be it as race cars or road cars... simply because they make no sense or actually go beyond whats physically possible to do).
To me, motorsports always was the benchmark of exploring the limits, or finding technology that makes sense even in road cars. In race cars you won't find fancy gimmicks, or technology that's potentially going to fail (well, of course, technology can always fail, but engineers will always want to find a solution that works throughout a race or longer if given by regulations). A concept car, however, is mostly 'dreaming' of something that can't be tested.
This is why I think such a thing as a 'Vision' GT car is pointless. We already have motorsports as a technology driver... it's the real thing.
Of course there's always concepts that could actually be real. The Red Bull X isn't far away from reality, even though it's questionable we could ever really use the fan car in races. And I'm not necessarily against such a car from time to time.
But what the VGT programme makes out of GT is an arcade racer... not a simulator... and that's not good for the series.
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