Bertone Designer Kept Working on Vision GT Car After Company's Bankruptcy

[Timlour]

I never said PD wasn't investing in the development of real world cars. What I say is that they are investing too much in fictional cars, of which many likely never would come to production (be it as race cars or road cars... simply because they make no sense or actually go beyond whats physically possible to do).

Sorry for misinterpreting your argument, but you said GTS would be better if PD invested resources in developing real world cars for the game, implying that they haven't been doing so. You could've said PD should focus more on real world cars and I would've understood you better.

I can't say I agree with you that PD invests too much on fictional cars. Again, I think the balance between real and fictional is pretty solid right now, and I base that mostly on PD's DLC history with GTS so far. I can agree with you that many of the fictional cars are too unrealistic, but I think the fictional Gr.3, Gr.4 and Gr.B cars perform a lot more realistically than VGT cars such as the 2X and Tomahwak X, and the fictional Gr.1 cars.

To me, motorsports always was the benchmark of exploring the limits, or finding technology that makes sense even in road cars. In race cars you won't find fancy gimmicks, or technology that's potentially going to fail (well, of course, technology can always fail, but engineers will always want to find a solution that works throughout a race or longer if given by regulations). A concept car, however, is mostly 'dreaming' of something that can't be tested.

This is why I think such a thing as a 'Vision' GT car is pointless. We already have motorsports as a technology driver... it's the real thing.

That's a good point. Lots of manufacturers participate in motorsports to test the limits of what's possible in an automobile and/or showcase new designs and technology in race cars that could be applied to road cars. With concepts, I imagine that it would be more difficult to test performance on the road unless an actual, real-life model was produced and can be driven.

Of course there's always concepts that could actually be real. The Red Bull X isn't far away from reality, even though it's questionable we could ever really use the fan car in races. And I'm not necessarily against such a car from time to time.

Agreed.

But what the VGT programme makes out of GT is an arcade racer... not a simulator... and that's not good for the series.

I guess it depends on what you think has simulation value. In my opinion, every car in GTS has simulation value because you can drive them in the game. The real world cars, for the most part, perform as they would in real life. The physics aren't perfect, but I think they're far from arcade-like, and the way most VGTs drive seem to based off of this physics engine so they at least feel realistic. Certainly, some VGTs go beyond the possiblities of these physics, but just because they exist doesn't make the game an arcade racer for me.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Why are so many people complaining about concepts and VGTs when Gran Turismo has ALWAYS been about fictional race cars in the first place. GT1 had them. GT2 had them. GT3-4-5-6 had them. For crying out loud there was even a GT Concept game for each region

— I don’t see people complain about the Pod Race in GT Concept 2002 Tokyo-Geneva. That was a fun race and I’m sure most people here would agree.

If you dislike the VGTs then don’t drive them. It’s as easy as that. I can count on one hand how many times I’ve actually competed in a VGT. I don’t dislike them but I prefer to race proper cars. And I can honestly say I’ve barely noticed the VGTs in my garage.
I don’t spend time crying about cars I don’t want to drive, I spend my time actually playing and enjoying the game with the cars I like, and ignore what I don’t care much for.

How about you look at the car list the game has, work out the percentage that these VGT's take up, and then realise that when you are modeling one of them you are NOT modeling something else that perhaps more players will have less against? So no. It isn't a case of if you don't like them don't use them at all. It's a case of what cars they could have put in the game instead. Then again players always find something to complain about....

And yes. The Pod race was the best.