Besides the eSports, What's the Point?

[BarbarianGoth]

I'm of the opinion that GT Sports ai now ranks as some of the best available.

Don't know if we're playing the same game, but the AI in GT Sport is still horrid. Yes they have ALOT more PACE than GT6 AI. But in terms of awareness, they are still complete zombies and follow their pre programmed racing line. They WILL ram into you if you just happen to be in the path they were programmed to be.
There has been ZERO improvement in the INTELLIGENCE of the AI since GT6. They are just programmed to be FASTER.

In direct reply to the OP.

And how bare bones was GT6 when it came out?
And how much content did PD add?

People seem to forget,this Granturismo is a PLATFORM,you know,like Windows?
No patience these days seriously.

In direct reply to you.
Let's see what Gran Turismo 6 had at launch:
-1200 cars and over 300 premiums. Yes there where a lot of duplicates, but still, incredible car list.
-40 tracks with a good mix of real world and classic GT tracks.
-Lunar and Goodwood events
-Dynamic weather and time of day
-Robust Single Player
-Fully offline play

What was missing:
-No B Spec till a year and a half after launch
-Mediocre seasonal events compared to GT5
-Some Vision GTs which they added later
-Short Senna content and time trial rally which they added later.

What we have in GT Sport:
-160 cars most of them with 4 variants and fantasy cars.
-17 tracks, of which only six real world. Three horrid ovals and 3 mediocre rally tracks. No classic fictional GT tracks.
-No B Spec
-Not much of a single player
-Always online to save
-No dynamic weather and time of day. Can anyone tell me please where I can race in the rain? There are wet weather tires so surely there is a rain track somewhere???
-Decent Sport Mode that is supposedly enough to make up for the enormous deficiencies in every other area.

You honestly think PD will provide enough FREE content to come anywhere near GT6's launch content level?

Gran Turismo Sport is a GAME. PlayStation is a PLATFORM. Like Windows. You know?

The logical fallacies these days in some people, seriously.

 

[super_gt]

- The physics are perfect (well, nearly, there is definitly something wrong once the tires lost traction at slow speed/from a standing start)

There is no game that comes close to perfect physics.

 

[Mr P510]

Its true,kids really want to prove themselves online.
Gratz.

 

[PzR Slim]

There is no game that comes close to perfect physics.

And certainly not this one!

 

[Joey D]

- The physics are perfect (well, nearly, there is definitly something wrong once the tires lost traction at slow speed/from a standing start)

They aren't even close to perfect. Especially with the hot hatchbacks. There is no way a VW GTI understeers entering a corner at 40mph, especially if it's on the OEM tires. It's been widely praised as one of the best handling hot hatches around, yet GTS makes it drive like a lumbering boat. I don't know about the race cars since I've never driven one in real life, but I've been behind the wheel of plenty of hot hatches.

In direct reply to the OP.

And how bare bones was GT6 when it came out?
And how much content did PD add?

People seem to forget,this Granturismo is a PLATFORM,you know,like Windows?
No patience these days seriously.

Games should come complete with DLC added on later to expand the game. Pushing out a game and then promising "oh we will add that later" is very much an early access or even a beta game.

If PD pushed out GTS and determined that it was exactly what they wanted, then fair enough. They sold, what they feel, is a complete game. However, I don't think they believe that and are looking to sort of do the early access model.

As for patience, why should I be? I paid $60 for a game that should be complete. Granted I bought GTS knowing to a degree what it offered, but I certainly don't want to wait around for them to add more stuff that should have been there in the first place.

 

[Reds Deman]

i remember a time when a racing game was released , you didnt get patches , if there was a game breaking bug you had to live with it , and you couldnt control the throttle ! It was literally left or right turning that was it , probably on the master system console i think .

I'm getting old lol

 

[Tekku]

It's rather fascinating how divided the community is on GTS. It's expected, but still interesting to follow.

The one thing that got me most curious is how it will succeed (or fail) at bringing in new fans, because that's what it sets out to do first and foremost. The joy of racing is clearly there, but the packaging is problematic.

 

[justin credible]

AI racing, Arcade mode, follow the in-game instructions.

Real racing, Go to main screen, DONT CLICK ARCADE, click "LOBBY" instead, pick any room, when you're in, click "go to track" and boom, on the track. You'll start in the pit lane, to move, press the accelerator. If that doesn't work, press start (bug I've found), then try again, should be fine then.

If you want to filter, the LOBBY screen has this built in, just quit that race and go to LOBBY and filter.

SPORT mode, just click SPORT from the main menu, click the left most option which should be the daily races, pick the one you want, enter the practice mode (one of the 3 or so buttons available). Enter the race before it starts in SPORT mode, and it'll auto-start for you when the race is scheduled.

I have a feeling though that you've just got the game partially downloaded, and it's in the "race before it's completed" mode. Check the details of the game from the PS4 main screen, check it's download status.

If none of that can you then I'm sorry, I tried

Or it was a strange troll post that I've fallen for? No idea

No troll post at all sir, I was struggling but I have got it now my son after laughing at me showed me how to do it. Thank you very much for the reply it is appreciated.

I honestly will be glad when the people making these complain threads finally quit and go play something else. Not trying to be nasty or troll, but guess what, the game is not going to change, and there are many many of us who love the online racing focus. Would i have been happy with an old school career mode, sure. Am I happy with this game as is, absolutely.

I am continuing on gts even though I do miss career mode the most. Yes it is different and that's what it is like it or lump it. The game was given to us by Polyphony and is labelled GT Sport it was given out as the next Gran Turismo hence it will be compared to it's predecessors, is it as good as gt4 No but hey with a touch of DLC we might get a career mode to add to the good bits already installed in GT Sport
It's early days yet teething problems and all that.

 

[Deadheadbill]

The point is, the game just begin to interest kids.

Nowadays, kids want to compete, want e-sports thing.

Gran Turismo was an adult game, now became a kid game.

Look at who wants e-sport in gran turismo, they are all kids, nerds and kids that has no life, no social success, sits all day in their home and wants to prove themselves on the internet, every-single-time.

Because when you're adult, when you have wife and kids, when you have work-life, you wont have to prove yourselve on online, or spent thousand hours for it.

Haha, dude I'm 53.

 

[BarbarianGoth]

It's rather fascinating how divided the community is on GTS. It's expected, but still interesting to follow.

The one thing that got me most curious is how it will succeed (or fail) at bringing in new fans, because that's what it sets out to do first and foremost. The joy of racing is clearly there, but the packaging is problematic.

I admit I enjoyed the game immensely for the first week, it was like being reunited with a long last friend, and I played it as much as I could in my free time. I had stopped playing GT6 regularly about two years ago after I got an Xbox One for Forza and moved on to various PC Sims.

But the short honeymoon is over, and it hasn't even crossed the two week mark since its been out. It's clear to me the game clearly lacks depth and not just compared to past GTs but its current competitors. This saddens me, because I love the franchise.

 

[7HO]

The point is, the game just begin to interest kids.

Nowadays, kids want to compete, want e-sports thing.

Gran Turismo was an adult game, now became a kid game.

Look at who wants e-sport in gran turismo, they are all kids, nerds and kids that has no life, no social success, sits all day in their home and wants to prove themselves on the internet, every-single-time.

Because when you're adult, when you have wife and kids, when you have work-life, you wont have to prove yourselve on online, or spent thousand hours for it.

I'm 41 and a grandfather at the start of next year.

 

[Philip Rivers]

I just view GT Sport like every other racing game I play.

You take a car you know you can't afford, and race it.

Simple as that.

 

[azrilnazli]

Maybe there's no room for PS4 to compute accurate physics

Calculation per car : ( assuming )
- ffb at 60hz
- suspension at 360hz
- 60 fps
- optimized latency
- tire degradation

and PS4 need to compute other 16 cars too. That's why iRacing can handle 60 cars per session and GTS only manage to handle 16.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

I have been thinking about Sport and another GT title.


Much better graphics than the previous GT? Check.

Small number of cars? Check.

Small number of tracks? Check.

Definite lack of offline content? Check.

I am describing GT5 Prologue, not Sport, but...

 

[BarbarianGoth]

I have been thinking about Sport and another GT title.


Much better graphics than the previous GT? Check.

Small number of cars? Check.

Small number of tracks? Check.

Definite lack of offline content? Check.

I am describing GT5 Prologue, not Sport, but...

And they clearly called it a Prologue and the MSRP was $40 USD instead of the usual $60 USD and they made it clear GT5 was coming, which it did in two years.

And you didn't have to wait 4 years after the launch of the PS3 for it. More like a year and a half for the GT5 prologue.

I don't care what any Sony or Polyphony apologetic says. After four years and full retail price we should have had Gran Turismo 7 WITH the Sport Mode.
And because you all are willing to happily except less for more, you will get even less when the next GT launches.

 

[Philip Rivers]

I think the saying goes "Quality over Quantity." No?

 

[BarbarianGoth]

I think the saying goes "Quality over Quantity." No?

Assetto Corsa is quality over quantity. GT6, Forza 7 is quanitity over quality. Projects Cars 2 is a mix of the two.
GT Sport is neither.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

They aren't even close to perfect. Especially with the hot hatchbacks. There is no way a VW GTI understeers entering a corner at 40mph, especially if it's on the OEM tires. It's been widely praised as one of the best handling hot hatches around, yet GTS makes it drive like a lumbering boat. I don't know about the race cars since I've never driven one in real life, but I've been behind the wheel of plenty of hot hatches.



Games should come complete with DLC added on later to expand the game. Pushing out a game and then promising "oh we will add that later" is very much an early access or even a beta game.

If PD pushed out GTS and determined that it was exactly what they wanted, then fair enough. They sold, what they feel, is a complete game. However, I don't think they believe that and are looking to sort of do the early access model.

As for patience, why should I be? I paid $60 for a game that should be complete. Granted I bought GTS knowing to a degree what it offered, but I certainly don't want to wait around for them to add more stuff that should have been there in the first place.

Got to agree there, I have a mint well looked after Focus ST 2005 and the game version doesn't get near what my real life car can corner at and I dont push to the limits on real roads for obvious reasons.

Im still enjoying the game though and the higher spec race cars have good grip but again do they represent the real life cars ? I think not.

 

[Philip Rivers]

Assetto Corsa is quality over quantity. GT6, Forza 7 is quanitity over quality. Projects Cars 2 is a mix of the two.
GT Sport is neither.

I beg to differ when it comes to Granturismo Sport, but hey, you're free to think that.

I will say this, it is lacking content, I acknowledge that.

 

[azrilnazli]

The real strength of GTS will be the quality of online racing
- quality servers for low latency full fields online racing
- the DR/SR system
- rankings and leaderboard by league
- time attack

 

[ron86]

There is no game that comes close to perfect physics.

They aren't even close to perfect. Especially with the hot hatchbacks. There is no way a VW GTI understeers entering a corner at 40mph, especially if it's on the OEM tires. It's been widely praised as one of the best handling hot hatches around, yet GTS makes it drive like a lumbering boat. I don't know about the race cars since I've never driven one in real life, but I've been behind the wheel of plenty of hot hatches.



Games should come complete with DLC added on later to expand the game. Pushing out a game and then promising "oh we will add that later" is very much an early access or even a beta game.

If PD pushed out GTS and determined that it was exactly what they wanted, then fair enough. They sold, what they feel, is a complete game. However, I don't think they believe that and are looking to sort of do the early access model.

As for patience, why should I be? I paid $60 for a game that should be complete. Granted I bought GTS knowing to a degree what it offered, but I certainly don't want to wait around for them to add more stuff that should have been there in the first place.

I am sorry, i meant ,,for me"

 

[GumShoe]

Maybe there's no room for PS4 to compute accurate physics

Calculation per car : ( assuming )
- ffb at 60hz
- suspension at 360hz
- 60 fps
- optimized latency
- tire degradation

and PS4 need to compute other 16 cars too. That's why iRacing can handle 60 cars per session and GTS only manage to handle 16.

Except Project Cars/ Asseto Corsa.

Try again

 

[mika haka]

Will the bad reviews and sales force gt sports to change direction and abandon the e sports and online focus for the traditional racing game?

 

[fikridroid]

Will the bad reviews and sales force gt sports to change direction and abandon the e sports and online focus for the traditional racing game?

I hope so, or better yet, give solid online and offline experience at the same time.

 

[7HO]

GT Sport is neither.

Thanks for the laugh.

Will the bad reviews and sales force gt sports to change direction and abandon the e sports and online focus for the traditional racing game?

Bad reviews? Bad Sales? I haven't seen all these bad reviews but I've seen good ones and it went straight to number 1 on the sales charts so I guess they don't need to abandon anything.

 

[mika haka]

Check metacritic or amazon. It's not Doing very well there.

 

[LordHernan]

Yup, I'm very disappointed and outright sad by GTS. I'm a PlayStation gamer because Gran Turismo. I will always buy a PS console because of the inevitable Gran Turismo title. Unlike many of you, I loved GT5; it was my most played game of the last generation. I played it even more than Skyrim. However, GTSport is bare bones, and as the thread author implies, pointless. The weekly races get boring very quickly, and the rest of the game seems like a glorified demo.

Whilst I still enjoy GT more than Forza on the track, I know forza 7 along PC2 will capture my attention and time much more, something that for me would have been unimaginable.

 

[7HO]

Check metacritic or amazon. It's not Doing very well there.

Well I just went and had a look at the reviews and the 1 star ones I read were by people who clearly haven't played the game because they were saying stuff that wasn't true as if they read a pre release of what we expected to be in the game and think that it how the game has actually come out. I wonder how many of those reviews are fake reviews after seeing those. I think it is pretty telling when you see the youtube reviews and people playing it. Plenty who didn't like it at first or thought they wouldn't like it are now loving it.

I was watching a video earlier today that had both FM7 and GTS footage in it, it wasn't a comparison, it was just showing off some great driving in both but when I see them both together like that it really drives home why i like GTS so much and don't like FM7.

 

[OdeFinn]

Never had so many good, and really good races in any sims/game before, even on leagues there's always one ego driver going rougher than needed.
Got game yesterday, got first car gr.4 Porsche Cayman and bought rest Porsches, driving yesterday entirely with stock setups (mostly noABS or TC) and gained D/S rating. First two races there was few loose guns on track but after that no bad drivers seen on races, this is just amazing.
Feeling of race against full pack of great sportsmanship players is something what is really worth of buying and playing this game.

Previous GT games you needed lobby full of friends to get clean races, now it's easier to find even better races on "public" rated daily races. PD really polished online rating a lot.

So beside eSport, well who want to drive against half moron or full moron AI when you can enjoy real persons as opponents and they're also enjoying clean races?

 

[mika haka]

Knowing Sony And pd they are quite stubborn with gran tourismo so I wouldn't expect any change if I am honest.

Perhaps in the future we will see the series split and we might get one game that is mostly offline and another that becomes like a subscription similar to i racing.