I have no prior experience with any wheels, the csl was my first wheel and paired with an obutto cockpit is quite rigid. In hindsight I may have chosen a different rig but for the price in that category this was by far the sturdiest I could get.
Just tried your settings deadpool and they feel good but don't suit all my preferences. The firmness and precision is nice but the way the forces seem to ramp up in certain situations just doesn't suit me. It's like they're trying to simulate g forces through the wheel but that's not where or how you feel g force in real life imo. I believe the power steering would keep those rotational forces more in check so you can adjust with precision quickly, again that's my preference and opinion. I will say after running yours for about 10 laps on spa and going back to mine I had to leave FOR at 80 because I do like the firmness I get with it but suits me more with in game torque at 3 rather than 5.
Also tried turning spring and damper on and off and am really hard pressed to pick up the differences, they are incredibly small differences compared to adjusting the other parameters that seem to have noticable impacts. I'm leaving spring off for sure simply so my wheel doesn't punch me in the face if I'm not careful getting in and out of my seat.
This is a bit a stretch for comparison but the only thing I've really driven in anger in real life is a snowmobile or go cart and with both I could overpower the grip with my steering inputs and these are machines with no power steering. By that comparison I find some of the forces exerted by the wheelbase during cornering and sliding to be a bit excessive on the higher settings but that's just me.
For rigs we all start wherever our budget allows, then if we get hooked and actually devote time in.....then start looking at long term options.
So a playseat or obutto are great to test the waters. But now, it’s 80/20 or nothing IMO. 80/20 gives you the best long term ability to improve your setup over time vs fixed design/limited “pretty” rigs.
For right now I plan to start with the Simlab P1-X. For a number of reasons.
1) Prolly the most rigid setup you can get. There is ZERO flex in it. This is very important for load cell pedals and DD wheels.
2)Upgradability. Let’s say in 5yrs motion becomes $2k for what currently costs $8k. Now a G3 setup is feasible for those of us chasing immersion. Easy to bolt on any motion setup with 80/20. Want to add 8 butt kickers? Easy. How about a handbrake, easy. Shifter, bolts right on and zero flex.
3) Cost per rigidity is without contest.
4) Run any seat you want. You can even adjust the rig to go from a GT cockpit to more of a F1 seating position (swap seat too)
5)Longterm reliability. Let’s face it, after awhile the playseat and others get “loose”. My pedal box/steering shift about .5” during a race because the lock below slips from the force. Not a issue with 80/20.
6) Want to go triple or quad monitor? $100 for the mounts that attach directly to the rig. Doesn’t get simpler.
7) easier storage. If you’re like me and can’t keep a rig setup, use a few quick disconnects to break the rig down into 2 sections plus seat and tuck into a closet.
9) Adjustability. I’ve yet to see anything that comes even remotely close to the adjustability of a 80/20 in terms of wheel/seat/pedal adjustment.
10) Resale. They hold value incredibly well and are very very easy to ship to the next owner. So it’s low risk, and they don’t cost much more than a playseat.
This should be the first move for someone who is hooked on sim racing and actually plays regularly. This is the foundation of your setup and one of the most important.
Got onto a tangent there.....good strain I just had
With settings once you’re in the “ballpark” of what’s right, it’s a lot of user preference on what they want to feel. This plays into driving style or skill level as well. I like coming into a corner with slight slip angle and just steering with throttle. In race, and with tire wear, this requires a lot of on limit feel, so I go higher on some forces to get the most of what I need. But like you mentioned, there are a few forces that are too high, it’s a trade off and for you it’s not worth it.
For me running lower I lose the feeling on initial turn in. Keys for me were finding a setup that gave me good weight on turn in, but detailed on limit and with a realistic oversteer feel.
That’s one reason I am completely against Drift settings, I find the oversteer correction on the limit is destroyed. IMO it’s really meant for actual drifting with largely showy inputs. But when racing wheel to wheel on the limit you lose the immediate response that Off gives. When I’m battling close, I need my inputs to keep up with what I’m doing. Any lag in the steering messes it up.