Best wheel for GT

[TokyoDrift]

When I mentioned Fanatec is best wheel, you mentioned this



So basically this states that you agree that more popular the better?

.......

Also yeah I wanna call you a Logitech fan, because put it this way..

Lets compare a DODGE VIPER to a Ferrari F430

One is cheper over the other,
and lets say everyone votes the VIPER is better , but in reality the F430 even tho less popular it has better reviews and in fact is better over all.. Sure both are as fast on straight line, but when it comes to turns, Viper falls short..

So my point exacly

Either way, you started the whole thing by quoting on what I think is best wheel.. so when you start something.. dont get upset when you get a response back.

And yeas I am A FAN (GUY) for Fanatec wheels, because I have both Logitech and Fanatec wheels, and I say Fanatec is more like driving a real car, over JERKY Logitech wheels.

FFS... My original blunt quote was in direct response to your equally blunt post. If you took the time to read subsequent posts, you would immediately know that I do not think that most popular is better, and asked some perfectly valid questions about what makes a wheel better, which you chose to selectively ignore.

When I start something? Don't get upset? Jeez, did this place turn into pre-school overnight or something? Some of you on here really need to take a few chill pills. I'm sure it makes you feel really big and clever when you go around telling people what to do, but you are wasting your keystrokes - take it somewhere people care. It seems to me like you are the one who is getting upset as you are the one coming out with the fanboy accusations and "you started it" crap.

Last time I tried my mates G27, it was not a jerky experience. I take it you only have a faulty G25.

Speaking of price... how much is the G27 and the DFGT for you guys?
Here in HK the G27 is US$250, while the DFGT is around $102...

In the UK you can add $200 to that price for the G27! It is a bit of a joke compared to the G25, but then again, a lot of stuff in the UK is a complete rip-off!

 

[Raitziger]

Remove Product(s) Qty. Total

Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel US
$349.95

Clubsport Pedals USB
$199.95

Porsche Wheel pedal/shifter cable 2.5 m
$2.00

Porsche wheel Shifter set
$49.95

Sub-Total: $601.85

With that setup you have 4 shifters 2 pedal systems and one extra pedal cable. Who would buy that ?
So basicly if you do not like standard pedals, you should buy pure edition of wheel which is now $250. If you like standard pedals, which are quite good, sum is only $349.95. Not cheap but not $600 either.

 

[Mr Latte]

Some points on the last few comments...

The Logitech GT is the official wheel for Gran Turismo as it says so on the box.
Their will not be another new "GT" wheel for GT5.

As the wheel was designed along with the games developers it is and will be the only wheel that fully supports the features of the game. The realtime tuning feature and dial is exclusive to this wheel. The illuminated "Horn" button which to date has not functioned in GT5P will also function on GT5.

"The Gran Turismo series has always been designed for racing enthusiasts," said Kazunori Yamauchi, President of Polyphony Digital. "The Driving Force GT racing wheel was designed to perfection by our team, specifically for the next generation of Gran Turismo."
"In the center of the 11-inch wheel, the Driving Force GT features an illuminated horn button with the official Gran Turismo logo. Using the authentic sounds of the car being driven, racers can quickly alert other cars when they are approaching fast. Or when playing online, people can simply use the horn to taunt other players as they speed by."

Are some of you that daft you dont realise that the "DFGT" is at the mass appeal selling point and is why this is the official product. Why else do they continue to promote it at PD HQ and at every "Games Conference". The G27 by all means will be supported and offer a "Pro" experience as G25 already has done.

As for comments that Turbo S will not work with GT5, why would that be?
Do some here think GT5 will only work with Logitech products?

On price cheapest Ive seen a G27 in the UK is about £285, thats still too high at the moment considering how similar it is to G25 and I have no doubts the prices will fall come closer to GT5 release. Personally Id expect it to sell at £200 or less online once all G25 stock orders are sold and during 2010.

G27 will be a great wheel for GT5, no doubts about that but many gamers out their also own X360 and can get better value for money with the Turbo S even though they may spend more on that product. Swapping wheels/pedals isnt much fun on a sim frame and is a factor for many too.

Bottom line their is no definative answer as each persons situation may be different.
However the DF GT is more than adequete for the masses but without clutch and H-Shift it wont appeal to the more "sim concious" players who take the game quite seriously and perhaps can utilise their advanced skills for ultimate pace with manual clutch and heel/toe.

 

[mattbeddall]

I couldnt find a G25 under 150 pounds so I bought the Driving Force GT for 65 pounds and I'm very happy with it, by the way, anybody know how to change the force feedback level on the DFGT? If I had a free pick I would choose the fanatec but unfortunately price is a major factor lol

 

[Neal]

I couldnt find a G25 under 150 pounds so I bought the Driving Force GT for 65 pounds and I'm very happy with it, by the way, anybody know how to change the force feedback level on the DFGT? If I had a free pick I would choose the fanatec but unfortunately price is a major factor lol

In GT5P and GT5TT you change the FFB and power steering settings in the options under wheel settings, there are specific settings for the DFGT. What have you got it mounted on?

 

[mattbeddall]

Thanks neal , I built a racing stand out of an old picnic table lol, it looks primitive but folds with the wheel and pedals mounted and even has a little case mounted to the frame for the power lead etc

 

[Neal]

Thanks neal , I built a racing stand out of an old picnic table lol, it looks primitive but folds with the wheel and pedals mounted and even has a little case mounted to the frame for the power lead etc

No problem. Sounds good, I looked for some sort of picinic or camping table but couldn't find so ended up getting a wheel stand pro...a bit daft that it war nearly twice the price of the wheel. By the way power steering off is meant to be better.

 

[mattbeddall]

yeah the wheel stand pro is nice but couldnt justify the cost , wife kids mortgage etc lol , so i based my design on it by turning the table upside down and fixing the pedals to the underside of the table top so that the legs are sticking in the air, then cut two of the legs shorter and fixed a shelf to the longer legs to clamp the wheel to, only downside is that it only has two different height positions lol, thanks for the power steering tip I'll try it later when the kids are in bed lol, I'm only just getting into prologue and can't believe how much better it is with a wheel!

 

[Neal]

ditto with the wife, kids etc...I was thinking of making a stand out of wood but I'd be dead if I made before the long promised shelves! Sounds like you've made a decent job of it. Using is so much better, should have got one ages ago. Near impossible to drift isn't it!

 

[Kryz11]

FFS... My original blunt quote was in direct response to your equally blunt post. If you took the time to read subsequent posts, you would immediately know that I do not think that most popular is better, and asked some perfectly valid questions about what makes a wheel better, which you chose to selectively ignore.

When I start something? Don't get upset? Jeez, did this place turn into pre-school overnight or something? Some of you on here really need to take a few chill pills. I'm sure it makes you feel really big and clever when you go around telling people what to do, but you are wasting your keystrokes - take it somewhere people care. It seems to me like you are the one who is getting upset as you are the one coming out with the fanboy accusations and "you started it" crap.

Last time I tried my mates G27, it was not a jerky experience. I take it you only have a faulty G25.

Oi.. How was my post BLUNT if Fanatec got best wheel review on Sim Racing Tonight? They are guys who live SIM RACING, they are not from C-Net or some NewEgg kid that review the wheels. They themselves said its really best wheel out there for the price range.. and everyone would agree. Sure some perfer G27 or DF GT, but in reality the Fanatec is dominant wheel with features and force feedback. You can buy Logitech wheels at most electronic stores, while the Fanatec wheel , seems I can ONLY buy it online and its in Limited numbers, Seems Fanatec is aiming only the HARDCORE crowd. So, It's not a BLUNT statement...

SO you explain to me ONE thing that G27 does better over Fanatec Turbo S wheel.. name just one. So please support your facts and do not tell me my posts were blunt and I have no proof when SRT approves the Wheel.

 

[Dan_]

Guys this poll come in a good moment, I'm going to buy a wheel in the next week and all of your guys said that the DFGT FFB is "too soft", what do you mean by that? You're saying that the FFB is so soft at a point that it can interfere on your lap times? I mean, if I can feel the loss of grip, and control the throttle properly, I will be satisfied.

I've considered getting a G25, but it goes for sale at ~ $630 around here! So I'm really planning to get a DFGT which costs about $350 and I just don't want to be disappointed after buying it. Please, I appreciate your personal reviews (You can PM me if you like), since the specialized sites offer a very "commercial" approach to their reviews and I can't have a good understanding of the wheel capabilities just by reading them.

Regards
Dan

 

[Kryz11]

I hear that DF GT wheel has a better feedback then G25, so cheaper is better as well. Go for it. If I was on budget, DF GT would be best choice

 

[Live_Fr0m_NY]

I've considered getting a G25, but it goes for sale at ~ $630 around here! So I'm really planning to get a DFGT which costs about $350 and I just don't want to be disappointed after buying it.

Why so much? what about on ebay?? im sure for 350 you could get a G25 shipped to brazil, no?

If you cant i don't think a G25 is worth $600+... matter of fact i don't think the DFGT is worth $300+ I just got mine for $99!

 

[SpawnBlack]

I can only say that the best is the Driving Force GT as that is my first and only wheel which I have now owned for two months. I chose it because I saw Kaz using it in one of the videos posted, and he used it on the Slim PS3 driving the Skyline around Nurburgring where they develope and improve the physics of the cars. So why not choose that one?

I'm quite happy with it but until I can get more space then and only then can I get a G27'

 

[Bandit6]

Didn't Kaz let it slip that he was working on a new wheel with Logitech? I think it was in one of the TGS interviews.

 

[Mr Latte]

Oi.. How was my post BLUNT if Fanatec got best wheel review on Sim Racing Tonight? They are guys who live SIM RACING, they are not from C-Net or some NewEgg kid that review the wheels. They themselves said its really best wheel out there for the price range.. and everyone would agree. Sure some perfer G27 or DF GT, but in reality the Fanatec is dominant wheel with features and force feedback. You can buy Logitech wheels at most electronic stores, while the Fanatec wheel , seems I can ONLY buy it online and its in Limited numbers, Seems Fanatec is aiming only the HARDCORE crowd. So, It's not a BLUNT statement...

SO you explain to me ONE thing that G27 does better over Fanatec Turbo S wheel.. name just one. So please support your facts and do not tell me my posts were blunt and I have no proof when SRT approves the Wheel.

Actually the Wheel Shootout is not conclusive in any way.
Although the Turbo S wins in points they go into detail to basically disregard the scores and say its not just about the points but then mention several great things about all the wheels.
At the very end Jessica even states their is no clear winner!

I put that down to clever reviewing and marketing decision. In a sense they sidestep everything.
Keeping each brand happy with good remarks on all products. It also wont hurt sales of the products they just happen to also sell on their own website.

Also as I was referring to this on a different forum recently can I point out to you that the "wheel shootout" is rather vague in actually reviewing the products properly.

Not detracting from their abilities but by all means watch the video again and you will discover at no point are consoles taken into account for the "wheel shootout" and the Clubsport pedals are used with all the wheels and PC sims. I also personally found it weird that the GT3 RS and TURBO S recieved the same scores by all 3 reviewers for the "Paddle Shifters"
Turbo S paddle shifters are more stable/solid whereas GT3RS paddle shifters have a bit of wobble yet not one of the reviewers seemed to notice or feel to score one wheel lower or indeed the other higher,mmmm strange not a single point of difference for that category?

I ask if it was a wise decision and how it is a fair way to review or indeed compare the wheels not based on the pedals they actually sell with but by only focusing on the wheels themselves all with CSP.
Did it also escape you that they do not comment on individual H shifters, their feel, sound, accuracy and features like G27 no longer having sequential as a factor? Not a single point is attributed to pedals and shifters, oh maybe they dont matter? Id say based on that some would agree the actual "wheel shootuot" is rather flawed, dont you think?

Name One thing?
G27 has better pedals than the standard Fanatec pedals
G27 has better worlwide aftersales (not that Fanatecs is bad)
G27 has better paddle shifters
G27 has a rev counter
G27 has better mounting shifter & wheel
G27 Shifter is reportably nicer feeling than Fanatecs
G27 has better availability
G27 has more chance of upcoming discounts/ increase its value for money
G27 is likely to have more community support and drivers for differing PC Operating systems and actual sims

Some but few I feel will buy a G27 just for GT5 but then again many will own a PS3 and X360 and thats exactly where the Turbo S has the ACE CARD.

I wouldnt personally state the Turbo S is the all out best product for everyone as it depends on many factors what and who each persons needs and preferences are.
It does though have plenty of benifits that I listed earlier.

 

[Northstar]

There is no best wheel.

DFGT- Very good wheel if you are just starting using a wheel or are on a budget. Also the only wheel officially compatible with the PS3.
G25/27- Excellent choice if you want a good amount of features for a decent price.
Fanatec- From what I've heard a little better than the G27 but at a higher price.

It all comes down to preference and what you can afford.

 

[Kryz11]

Name One thing?
G27 has better pedals than the standard Fanatec pedals
G27 has better worlwide aftersales (not that Fanatecs is bad)
G27 has better paddle shifters
G27 has a rev counter
G27 has better mounting shifter & wheel
G27 Shifter is reportably nicer feeling than Fanatecs
G27 has better availability
G27 has more chance of upcoming discounts/ increase its value for money
G27 is likely to have more community support and drivers for differing PC Operating systems and actual sims

I only Agree with BOLD ones. I forogt about the Paddle shifters.. I agree G25/7 has it better, But Sales and avalibality does not count on why it makes it better. Its like saying a Ford mustang is better because its more available over a Porsche .

Alto shifter is still better and stiffer on the Fanatec, you need more then finger to move it around.

Mounting , Hmm yeah if you wanna have a clamp, but hard mount, both have screw holes.

Oh and pedals, The standard ones , even tho are lesser over Logitech ones, they do offer more of a real and progression feel with break and Clutch, while Logitech's progression feels the same.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

It wasn't directed towards you. Why are you taking all this so personally?
It was directed towards the semi-angry and getting angrier posts back and forth of "you're a fanboy" and the retort, "no, you're a fanboy", etc.

Simple misunderstanding friend. 👍

EDIT:

Lets compare a DODGE VIPER to a Ferrari F430

One is cheper over the other,
and lets say everyone votes the VIPER is better , but in reality the F430 even tho less popular it has better reviews and in fact is better over all.. Sure both are as fast on straight line, but when it comes to turns, Viper falls short..

So my point exacly

WOW, can you say CrapBoX 3shifty vs PS3?


EDIT:
G27 Amazon: $270

G25 Logitech store: $280
G25 Amazon: $494!!!
Google Shopping search from high to low: $844 - $222

G25 is not available at NewEgg.
G25 is no longer available on PriceGrabber
G25 is not to be found at TigerDirect either.

DFGT at Amazon: $99

 

[Jay Gatsby]

Speaking of price... how much is the G27 and the DFGT for you guys?
Here in HK the G27 is US$250, while the DFGT is around $102...

In HK, I bought my DFGT with 90 USD.

I like it, but the shifter always feels a bit weird...and the wheel is actually quite noisy when you start it up. Guess I will get the G25 when GT6 come(I don't like the G27)...oh well.

 

[TokyoDrift]

Oi.. How was my post BLUNT if Fanatec got best wheel review on Sim Racing Tonight? They are guys who live SIM RACING, they are not from C-Net or some NewEgg kid that review the wheels. They themselves said its really best wheel out there for the price range.. and everyone would agree. Sure some perfer G27 or DF GT, but in reality the Fanatec is dominant wheel with features and force feedback. You can buy Logitech wheels at most electronic stores, while the Fanatec wheel , seems I can ONLY buy it online and its in Limited numbers, Seems Fanatec is aiming only the HARDCORE crowd. So, It's not a BLUNT statement...

SO you explain to me ONE thing that G27 does better over Fanatec Turbo S wheel.. name just one. So please support your facts and do not tell me my posts were blunt and I have no proof when SRT approves the Wheel.

I'm not going to enter into childish games, especially when Mr Latte did a perfectly good job of explaining it how it is, and upheld my view that you cannot rationally say one wheel is categorically superior than the other. I find it really odd that you threw the "Logitech Fanboy" comments at me, yet here you are, acting much worse over Fanatec... A bit hypocritical, no? So SRT scored the Fanatec higher on points total - that means squat really when it comes to personal preference, as is perfectly evident by the fact that not everybody in the review chose Fanatec as their favourite wheel. Accept that, and move on in life.

I only Agree with BOLD ones. I forogt about the Paddle shifters.. I agree G25/7 has it better, But Sales and avalibality does not count on why it makes it better. Its like saying a Ford mustang is better because its more available over a Porsche .

Alto shifter is still better and stiffer on the Fanatec, you need more then finger to move it around.

Mounting , Hmm yeah if you wanna have a clamp, but hard mount, both have screw holes.

Oh and pedals, The standard ones , even tho are lesser over Logitech ones, they do offer more of a real and progression feel with break and Clutch, while Logitech's progression feels the same.

Oh, you forgot eh? Honestly, you are the kind of person who only has one view, and refuses to accept that anybody else can have one. You even admit that the stock pedals on the Fanatec are lesser, but somehow that they are better all in the one sentence...give me a break.

You know as well as I do that price is a major factor for a lot of people. When somebody says they prefer something because it's cheaper, they are not automatically saying that makes it better, which is what you are inferring with your daft car analogies.

 

[sinner]

Jay ~ where did you get the DFGT for $90? In the few shops that were selling it in ShamShuiPo, they were all charging HK$850. Most were selling the G27.

I also finally found a G25 today, but the shop was selling it (last one) for $230.

 

[Kryz11]

G25 Amazon: $494!!!

LOLZ! That G25 better be made out of gold.

 

[Jay Gatsby]

Jay ~ where did you get the DFGT for $90? In the few shops that were selling it in ShamShuiPo, they were all charging HK$850. Most were selling the G27.

I also finally found a G25 today, but the shop was selling it (last one) for $230.

You can get it 699 HKD in Wan Chai 188, or 750 HKD in Kowloon Bay, I guess they still have some DFGT in the shop. A G25 that costs about 230USD (about 1788 HKD) maybe a bit expensive. I would say if you can find a G25 around 1600HKD you should definitely get the G25. It's a good bang for your bucks.👍

Sorry to the mods if it gets a bit off topic.

 

[Mr Latte]

Worth showing this as I dont think the scores given are as accurate as they should be. Id question not only how this review was based and conducted but also why they did not concentrate on each full product but only just the wheels. Even then their are still features/benifits missing from the comparison. This would completely alter the scores of each of the products obtained and with these scores given so close it all seems a bit just half baked.

Questions
Why does the DF-GT have a FFB combined score equal to the "Turbo S" yet how does the "GT3RS" score higher in this category with the same spec as the "Turbo S" How many people here would rate the DF-GT's FFB to be as good as the premium wheels?


Why does the "Turbo S" not have mentioned or it seems credited for the following:

*Wheel buttons illuminate and also differently depending on mode used
*Drift mode is exclusive to this wheel yet not mentioned or featured
*Wireless connectivity is not mentioned or featured
*G25 pedal support possible with this and GT3 RS wheel yet not mentioned or featured
*LED display options on wheel and with user saves possible yet not mentioned or featured

I can understand with these scores why some are questioning the FFB on the DFGT when according to SRT its as good on their scoring system and even in one personal score is actually better than G27 or PWTS. Someone say WTF?

 

[sinner]

^ Thanks for that...

You can get it 699 HKD in Wan Chai 188, or 750 HKD in Kowloon Bay, I guess they still have some DFGT in the shop. A G25 that costs about 230USD (about 1788 HKD) maybe a bit expensive. I would say if you can find a G25 around 1600HKD you should definitely get the G25. It's a good bang for your bucks.👍

Sorry to the mods if it gets a bit off topic.

Jay, I sent you a PM where we can continue this discussion... thx.

 

[detergent]

The best wheel for GT5 is the wheel you can afford. If you can afford any wheel start at the top and work your way down.

 

[Dan_]

Why so much? what about on ebay?? im sure for 350 you could get a G25 shipped to brazil, no?

If you cant i don't think a G25 is worth $600+... matter of fact i don't think the DFGT is worth $300+ I just got mine for $99!

Yeah, and for 300 bucks I would buy a gold finished DFGT and even so it may not worth it , it's so much money to spent on a gaming toy, but I'm just buying it because of your comments here at GTP....

Buying at E-bay means that I have to pay taxes, and they can come up to 60% of the total value( grand total = $560 ), so it may not worth the effort because I will be not able to locate the G25 through the way to watch the delivery process (Brazilian Mail it's not completely reliable), and I'd rather pay a few more bucks to get the wheel in my hands and go home enjoy it.

Okay, I've made my decision, it will be a DFGT, I just need to find a trustworthy dealer to buy it. Maybe some of my brazilian mates here around GTP can help me, pointing me to a good "Mercado Livre" dealer.

 

[TrievelA7X]

I only Agree with BOLD ones. I forogt about the Paddle shifters.. I agree G25/7 has it better, But Sales and avalibality does not count on why it makes it better. Its like saying a Ford mustang is better because its more available over a Porsche .

Alto shifter is still better and stiffer on the Fanatec, you need more then finger to move it around.

Mounting , Hmm yeah if you wanna have a clamp, but hard mount, both have screw holes.

Oh and pedals, The standard ones , even tho are lesser over Logitech ones, they do offer more of a real and progression feel with break and Clutch, while Logitech's progression feels the same.

I've heard complaints about the Fanatec's shifter, and paddle shifters, along with standard pedals.

With that setup you have 4 shifters 2 pedal systems and one extra pedal cable. Who would buy that ?
So basicly if you do not like standard pedals, you should buy pure edition of wheel which is now $250. If you like standard pedals, which are quite good, sum is only $349.95. Not cheap but not $600 either.

So, you're saying the wheel comes with three shifters? How would I have 4? I only listed buying 1.
Nowhere on their site does it say any wheel comes with a shifter, cables, or pedals.
I'll list everything they have now to buy, under accessories and wheels for PS3.
Wheels

Product Name+ Compatibility Price
Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel US PC / PS3 / XB360 $349.95
Porsche 911 Turbo Wheel - US PC / PS3 $199.95

Accessories:

Clubsport Pedals USB - $199.95
Table clamp - $49.99
Porsche Wheel pedal/shifter cable 2.5 m - $2.00
Porsche wheel Shifter set All Porsche Wheels $49.95
Standard pedals for Porsche Wheels - $49.95

Now, maybe I'm seeing this wrong, but it looks as though I need to order pedals, a shifter, and cables separately. (I have to wonder why they would be sold in this way if they come with everything.)
The G27/25 list that they have pedals, and a shifter, whereas Fanatec does not.

Nowhere I found does it say the wheels comes with anything other than a wheel, so I must assume I need to buy a shifter, a cable for the shifter, pedals, and a cable for the pedals.
And as such, my prices must stand, until I see proof otherwise.

EDIT: Now, if I can find a Turbo S setup, (or GT3RS) that works for PS3, I would consider it, if it comes with pedals, shifter, and cables, for that 350$ price listed above, but I'd have to see specifically that all that came included.
And there's still the GT5 compatibility issue, as not all wheels work for all games, though I do expect GT5 to be setup the same in that regard as GT5P.

 

[Kryz11]

Cable comes with shifter and pedals.. Only thing with shifter the cable is couple inches long.. If you want extend one its only like 2 dollars. Or any PS2 Mouse cable