Best wheel for GT

[TrievelA7X]

Worth showing this as I dont think the scores given are as accurate as they should be. Id question not only how this review was based and conducted but also why they did not concentrate on each full product but only just the wheels. Even then their are still features/benifits missing from the comparison. This would completely alter the scores of each of the products obtained and with these scores given so close it all seems a bit just half baked.

Questions
Why does the DF-GT have a FFB combined score equal to the "Turbo S" yet how does the "GT3RS" score higher in this category with the same spec as the "Turbo S" How many people here would rate the DF-GT's FFB to be as good as the premium wheels?


Why does the "Turbo S" not have mentioned or it seems credited for the following:

*Wheel buttons illuminate and also differently depending on mode used
*Drift mode is exclusive to this wheel yet not mentioned or featured
*Wireless connectivity is not mentioned or featured
*G25 pedal support possible with this and GT3 RS wheel yet not mentioned or featured
*LED display options on wheel and with user saves possible yet not mentioned or featured

I can understand with these scores why some are questioning the FFB on the DFGT when according to SRT its as good on their scoring system and even in one personal score is actually better than G27 or PWTS. Someone say WTF?

I undertstand the complaint about the lack of mention to those special features, but this plays into my - "I'm not sure the wheel comes with pedals and a shifter" problem.
Why exactly does the Porsche wheel's compatibility with G25 pedals matter?
The other features you mention, at least for me, are meaningless.
And also, I've seen reviews where the GT3RS scored higher than the turbo S wheel, I just can't tell you why.
But it seems like you're implicating that the G25 and/or DFGT should have scored lower than they did, without really saying why.
EDIT: They also have an "extras" section which probably covers everything you mentioned, and the Turbo S wheel scores the highest, but it seems they agree with me on the lack of their value, like "LED lights", no offense, but all I can say is "oooohhhh... so?"

Cable comes with shifter and pedals.. Only thing with shifter the cable is couple inches long.. If you want extend one its only like 2 dollars. Or any PS2 Mouse cable

Ok, but where did you buy it and how much was it? Also which one was it?

I'm just looking at their website, as a Google search on fanatec doesn't bring Fanatec products for sale up, all I seem to get are reviews, and a few sellers I've never heard of, therefore won't buy from.

 

[Raitziger]

So, you're saying the wheel comes with three shifters? How would I have 4? I only listed buying 1.
Nowhere on their site does it say any wheel comes with a shifter, cables, or pedals.
I'll list everything they have now to buy, under accessories and wheels for PS3.

And there's still the GT5 compatibility issue

" * Force Feedback racing wheel with leather wheel rim for Xbox360
* Black painted metal shifter paddles
* RF dongle for compatibility to PlayStation&reg3 and PC
* Wired pedals with clutch
* 6+1 speed gear shift
* Sequential gearshift
* Steel Plate (for pedals)
* Power supply
* Quick guide
* Drilling template"
http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_e...id=60&osCsid=6b231c23eb1b5fc6a34f206b6e9c1db5
And that all is included to $350.

If you want clubsport pedals, you buy clubsport edition of the wheel $250 and then CS pedals, shifter set and dongle if you need one (i do not even use it as i use usb-cable)
Everything about different options and content is clearly listed on their site:
http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_eu/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=6b231c23eb1b5fc6a34f206b6e9c1db5

BTW GT3RS won the test against G27 in german magazine: http://www.911wheel.de/files/faq_pics/PCGames_test_pwgt3rs.pdf

What compatibility issue?? My wheel works very nice with academy demo.

 

[TrievelA7X]

" * Force Feedback racing wheel with leather wheel rim for Xbox360
* Black painted metal shifter paddles
* RF dongle for compatibility to PlayStation&reg3 and PC
* Wired pedals with clutch
* 6+1 speed gear shift
* Sequential gearshift
* Steel Plate (for pedals)
* Power supply
* Quick guide
* Drilling template"
http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_e...id=60&osCsid=6b231c23eb1b5fc6a34f206b6e9c1db5
And that all is included to $350.

If you want clubsport pedals, you buy clubsport edition of the wheel $250 and then CS pedals, shifter set and dongle if you need one (i do not even use it as i use usb-cable)
Everything about different options and content is clearly listed on their site:
http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_eu/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=6b231c23eb1b5fc6a34f206b6e9c1db5

BTW GT3RS won the test against G27 in german magazine: http://www.911wheel.de/files/faq_pics/PCGames_test_pwgt3rs.pdf

What compatibility issue?? My wheel works very nice with academy demo.

First off, I just found what you're saying.
Second off, that's still 500$

I'm aware it's won reviews against G25/27's, however, from what I've seen, it's mostly due to the clubsport pedals, (G27's have been claimed better than Fanatec's standard) and the wheel itself.
I haven't seen anyone say it does anything greatly better, just somewhat better, other than the clubsport pedals.

Now, I did say it should work with the PS3, however, they are apparently out of GT3RS wheels for PS3, and Carrera Wheels altogether.

Finally, I didn't like this:

30 Day Guarantee Returns Policy
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Plus I can get any G27 or DFGT with free shipping, so any shipping charges they give me are extra.
Oh, 15% of 500$ is 60$. So if I order one, and it either doesn't have exactly what I need/want, or I just don't like it, it's still going to cost me probably a DFGT in price even if I return it.

I believe the Fanatecs are a great product, provided you spend an arm and a leg, but they make it difficult to see what you're ordering, and if you don't like it, you're out 60$ plus whatever they charge for shipping, and we know small companies like shipping charges.

Make note, you have to register, and go into email, follow link, etc, just to get to anywhere shipping charges are visible = just a pain, though I am viewing it anyway.

EDIT: I should be sent my email within an hour, they say, and it's been 10 minutes, so apparently I do actually have to wait around for it.

 

[Raitziger]

I agree with you that 200 for CS pedals is too much. That is the reason i bought new G25 pedals for 45€. However standard pedals would have been good enough for me.(i remembered wrong how g25 felt)

 

[TrievelA7X]

Something else of note, as I've just got my email, 10.00$ shipping (very decent)
BUT -

Compatibility:

PC: All racing games which support Force Feedback racing wheels.
The vibration motor on the brake and the LED display need special plug-ins which can be downloaded from the support section.
PlayStation 3:Some racing games will be compatible but compatibility cannot be guaranteed.

For the Turbo S clubsport edition. They don't elaborate as to any specifically that do work. Although I guess I do know people's are working for GT5P and TT Demo.

 

[Raitziger]

PD has turbo s wheel for development of GT5 wheel support.

 

[Mr Latte]

TrievelA7X

I undertstand the complaint about the lack of mention to those special features, but this plays into my - "I'm not sure the wheel comes with pedals and a shifter" problem.
Why exactly does the Porsche wheel's compatibility with G25 pedals matter?
The other features you mention, at least for me, are meaningless.
And also, I've seen reviews where the GT3RS scored higher than the turbo S wheel, I just can't tell you why.
But it seems like you're implicating that the G25 and/or DFGT should have scored lower than they did, without really saying why.
EDIT: They also have an "extras" section which probably covers everything you mentioned, and the Turbo S wheel scores the highest, but it seems they agree with me on the lack of their value, like "LED lights", no offense, but all I can say is "oooohhhh... so?"

My observation is not a complaint just pointing out things and question the validity of some of the scores and ommisions.

1.If youd read the Fanatec website properly it clearly states what each package includes. Their new website will probably be improved and not have so much confusion as their current website contains product info and then a sales website linkseperate for each region.

2.G25 pedal compatibility is relevent as some people may already of owned a G25 for a couple of years and will still be able to buy the wheel only option.
Its a valid point to make in reviews and Fanatec are the only company to sell their product seperatly and support other products compatibility.

A fine example would also be if Logietch sold the G27 but as a wheel only option costing £80/$80 less and so again many G25 people wanting upgrades could of taken that option. Furthermore many prefer the G25 pedals over the Fanatec plastic pedals and could alternatively look to purchase 2nd hand Logitech pedals.

3.Stating hardware features thats useless to you or even possibly most people does not mean its not a unwanted option but one others would like to use. PWTS for example its nice to have wireless support for X360 but then I kinda miss that if connecting the wheel via USB for PS3 or PC so the wireless is appreciated. The point however is you would think a review would take into account everything, all components and options.

4. GT3RS mainly has a better and more comfortable wheel rim which Darin commented on. Thats its main advantage over PWTS
I however as an owner of both wheels find it odd how a group of 3 men all score the 2x Fanatec wheels different with combined 1.5 points difference in this category when the hardware is the same. Particulary odd as they score the paddle shifters identical points but indeed those components actually are different in each product.

5.Regards the "Extras Scoring" what does that define exactly?
Lets assume then that the button illumination, drift mode, wireless compatibility of the PWTS are indeed all accounted for but for those they give a single "1 extra point" over the GT3RS. Lets remember that 1.5 in points that somehow was added to GT3RS but lost on PWTS for FFB.
It doesnt seem to be fully balanced and also when G27 in extras is only .5 behind but does not have a list of features close to the Turbo S, does it?

I think my comments have actual ground for being valid.

 

[Kryz11]

Ok, but where did you buy it and how much was it? Also which one was it?

I'm just looking at their website, as a Google search on fanatec doesn't bring Fanatec products for sale up, all I seem to get are reviews, and a few sellers I've never heard of, therefore won't buy from.

On their Fanatec site, it cost me 2 dollars, USD.

I rember checking out Radio Shack the other day, the PS2 Mouse connector cable was 18 dollars.. WOW...

I bet you have that kind of cable laying in your home.


By the way you ordered the Turbo S wheel?

 

[LearnersPermit]

The poll title should be changed now, since it's no longer which is the best wheel for Gran Turismo but instead is which is the best wheel you can afford to buy for Gran Turismo. And that is clearly how people are voting now.

 

[Kryz11]

The poll title should be changed now, since it's no longer which is the best wheel for Gran Turismo but instead is which is the best wheel you can afford to buy for Gran Turismo. And that is clearly how people are voting now.

I agree.

 

[Shylock]

I didn't want to start a new thread for my problem, and this seems like an alright spot to put it. I have a g25 and for some reason even when I click triangle it will not let me use the clutch in gt5p. I played with the wheel settings and I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I really need help with this because, all the sudden it was working, and now it doesn't. I can't play without the clutch.

 

[phil_2001]

Nah, most people voted for their own steering wheels, the ego did its thing as always. There's no way G25 is better than G27 yet it's leading in this poll. But for $230.. a G25? Wow that makes it really the best for those money, nothing beats leather and those pedals and shifter for that price... I'll have two, please.

 

[Live_Fr0m_NY]

I have a g25 and for some reason even when I click triangle it will not let me use the clutch in gt5p. I played with the wheel settings and I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I really need help with this because, all the sudden it was working, and now it doesn't. I can't play without the clutch.

Try reverting to default settings. I'm willing to bet you changed the button config, and probably moved it or un-mapped it from triangle. (I do not own a G25, just guessing)

Nah, most people voted for their own steering wheels, the ego did its thing as always.

Well yea, of course they did... they are speaking from experience, stating which is the best for them... "The best" is just an opinion and "the best", for most people is what they already own. which is why they purchased it in the first place... no?

 

[HN7]

I didn't want to start a new thread for my problem, and this seems like an alright spot to put it. I have a g25 and for some reason even when I click triangle it will not let me use the clutch in gt5p. I played with the wheel settings and I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I really need help with this because, all the sudden it was working, and now it doesn't. I can't play without the clutch.

Some car doesn't have clutch pedals (ex: Nissan GT-R) so pressing the triangle will do nothing. Try the Ford GT or Corvette and see. If it still doesn't work then I have no idea. Hope this helps.

 

[phil_2001]

Well yea, of course they did... they are speaking from experience, stating which is the best for them... "The best" is just an opinion and "the best", for most people is what they already own. which is why they purchased it in the first place... no?

Not really, G27 was released after G25 so even if they wanted the new one they were stuck with what they have, G27 is not worlds ahead of G25 but still it's supposedly better, the poll is about what wheel is the best officially, so I would think that's Fanatec. Like saying even if you own a Toyota Supra and love it, a Ferrari 430 is still better even if you've never tried one yourself.

 

[Live_Fr0m_NY]

yea but theres hundreds of cars and only a handful of wheels... I mean yea the G27 might be marginally better, but for the person voting... its not $300 better than what they already have, so they might see it as a rip off (as i do) if anything it has less features than the G25... (no sequential shirfter) how is that better?

With that said... the DFGT is the best wheel because it was made specifically for GT5, so technically its the "best" wheel for GT5

 

[blacbul67]

i agree.

+2

 

[blacbul67]

" * Force Feedback racing wheel with leather wheel rim for Xbox360
* Black painted metal shifter paddles
* RF dongle for compatibility to PlayStation&reg3 and PC
* Wired pedals with clutch
* 6+1 speed gear shift
* Sequential gearshift
* Steel Plate (for pedals)
* Power supply
* Quick guide
* Drilling template"
http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_e...id=60&osCsid=6b231c23eb1b5fc6a34f206b6e9c1db5
And that all is included to $350.

If you want clubsport pedals, you buy clubsport edition of the wheel $250 and then CS pedals, shifter set and dongle if you need one (i do not even use it as i use usb-cable)
Everything about different options and content is clearly listed on their site:
http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_eu/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=6b231c23eb1b5fc6a34f206b6e9c1db5

BTW GT3RS won the test against G27 in german magazine: http://www.911wheel.de/files/faq_pics/PCGames_test_pwgt3rs.pdf

What compatibility issue?? My wheel works very nice with academy demo.

Good factual post apart from one inaccuracy which I would like to point out to hopefully avoid any further confusion. If you now want the equivalent of one the limited number of Clubsport versions of the Turbo S wheel (which came with the Clubsport pedals as opposed to the standard pedals) you would now have to buy the Pure edition of the wheel and then add the Clubsport pedals, dongle and shifter set to your order.

 

[F34R]

You can buy the Turbo S still, ordered mine last week, still up for order on their US page. Then add the CS pedals, and whaala... CS Edition Turbo S.

 

[phil_2001]

Well I have to say that those $200 pedals from Fanatec is a piece of high-tech super durable, super precise, super realistic kit. I saw it reviewed and I was shocked, pleasantly so, now those pedals are worth $200.

 

[Kryz11]

Well I have to say that those $200 pedals from Fanatec is a piece of high-tech super durable, super precise, super realistic kit. I saw it reviewed and I was shocked, pleasantly so, now those pedals are worth $200.

They are. I bought them as a Combo with my RS wheel so it was cheaper. You can even take them apart, and re order them to be upside down, many G25/27 owners know what I am talking about.
Also you dont void warranty, while in Logitech pedals, you are stuck on one setting.


Too bad RS wont play Xbox, and I have to change 2008 date on my PS3 to play GT5 TT Demo. But buying them as combo is cheaper.

Now I am thinking on buying the Turbo S wheel Pure Edition, because The Turbo S is now USB compatible with PS3, as well you can set Vibration Function on the Break Padel to be set on Vibration if you lets say Press 80% down or 85% down to simulate ABS, and it should with any game.. Did anyone ever try that? Does it work well?

 

[TokyoDrift]

Like saying even if you own a Toyota Supra and love it, a Ferrari 430 is still better even if you've never tried one yourself.

Better at what? Is an F430 better than a Toyota Supra in every single way imaginable? What if I care not one bit about the looks or speed of car, and purely want something bright red that does 60+ mpg. Suddenly that Ferrari is not the best car, so the debate is not as black & white as you are making out.

 

[phil_2001]

Better at what? Is an F430 better than a Toyota Supra in every single way imaginable? What if I care not one bit about the looks or speed of car, and purely want something bright red that does 60+ mpg. Suddenly that Ferrari is not the best car, so the debate is not as black & white as you are making out.

Get a Fiat Panda, yes that will do it.

I just expect when we are talking cars we are talking speeds because that's the fun and a Ferrari 430 is the best fun you can get really, a Toyota Supra not so much. A Ferrari is not just speed, handling and looks, it's also durability, sound that makes your hormones run like crazy, then it's also a big legend, it's italian and rear engined. And yes it's very beautiful, I can say that much more than twice.

 

[Live_Fr0m_NY]

Regarding anything, its still an opinion, whats better for me may not be better for anybody else. a Nissan R35 0-60 is faster than a F430, and faster than most cars on the road. Is that car better? Who's to say really?

Some people are crazy fast with a DS3 pad, and would suck with the wheel so for them the standard controller its better... Something may be better on paper or have more features, but that doesn't mean its better for everybody in the world. Thats why we have the option.

 

[TrievelA7X]

The poll title should be changed now, since it's no longer which is the best wheel for Gran Turismo but instead is which is the best wheel you can afford to buy for Gran Turismo. And that is clearly how people are voting now.

I voted for Fanatec, because I had to pick one to see the results.
Also because performance wise, it's supposed to be overall the best.

But then you have to consider price, as it's part of the equation.
I'll have the money to buy any of these wheels, even if it cost me $2,000, but that doesn't mean I don't care if the Fanatec costs twice as much for only a slight benefit either.

And you also have to assume you can even get a Fanatec wheel to vote for it also. As of this minute, only the Turbo and Turbo S wheel are even available anymore on their website for PS3.
So GT3RS and Carrera wheel reviews are meaningless for anyone wheel shopping.

As of now, I have a Turbo wheel in cart with a $2 cable, and I'll see how the cheap pedals are before I lunge into another 200$ for the clubsport.

 

[Kryz11]

Better at what? Is an F430 better than a Toyota Supra in every single way imaginable? What if I care not one bit about the looks or speed of car, and purely want something bright red that does 60+ mpg. Suddenly that Ferrari is not the best car, so the debate is not as black & white as you are making out.

You love to dissagree with everyone. I bet if you had the Ferrari, you would love it, same with Fanatec wheel.

 

[carcoll13]

You love to dissagree with everyone. I bet if you had the Ferrari, you would love it, same with Fanatec wheel.

Actually, he seems to love to look at the bigger picture.

Also by looking at the poll results, maybe G-series, DFGT, and Fanatec would have been the best options for the poll.
But that also could be wrong, some who voted G25 might have the G27 and like the G27 more, yet feel that overall the G25 is the best choice because of the price for what you get.

 

[Kryz11]

Then its a misleading poll.
I would create best wheel for the bang for GT5 game. Then clearly G25 would be best option.

Or maybe he is really specific on BEST wheel out there for GT5.

 

[cletus 669]

So guys, what is wrong with the DFP wheel. It is not even an option in the poll, it IS a quality wheel, and it is only about 50 bucks now. Best bang for the buck by far.

 

[eSZee]

Get a Fiat Panda, yes that will do it.

I just expect when we are talking cars we are talking speeds because that's the fun and a Ferrari 430 is the best fun you can get really, a Toyota Supra not so much. A Ferrari is not just speed, handling and looks, it's also durability, sound that makes your hormones run like crazy, then it's also a big legend, it's italian and rear engined. And yes it's very beautiful, I can say that much more than twice.

hahahaha, OK....