"Blue Devil" News: Test Details Roll In

[Philly]

The GTR is probably the only car you can lap the Ring in at 7'30" AND race in GT5 running 7'15"s stock at the same time.

 

[Tornado]

This makes me wonder what the "more spoiler area than an airplane" Viper ACR can do.

 

[Joey D]

We Americans seem to pull something amazing out every so often. There was the S7 and now this. What about the ACR Viper?

I'm not a fan of the Viper ACR, goofy looking spoiler and even goofier looking paint scheme. I don't know how it will fair, all I know is when it rains around here the Chrysler test vehicles have one hell of a time trying to drive around and stop. Lets hope the track is dry when they run it.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

The difference kids is the GTR looks a million times better than the Corvette. Game, set, match. I don't care if the ZR1 sets a 7-minute flat time I'd still never want one.

That's a good joke. The ZR1 looks a trillion times better than the tubby, awkward looking GT-R.

 

[mustangGT90210]

That's a good joke. The ZR1 looks a trillion times better than the tubby, awkward looking GT-R.

*Agreed*

The ZR-1 looks BAD ASS.



I just realized that from this post and my icon, you might almost think I'm a Chevy guy

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

Oh snap! Japan's sport car versus America's sport car! Please Chevy, keep it respectable.

 

[Prosthetic]

That's a good joke. The ZR1 looks a trillion times better than the tubby, awkward looking GT-R.

Hmmm.... Right... I could just nod my head in disagreement and move on but... the fact is the way you put that is as if that is a fact. But it's an opinion... so why do you always state your opinions as if they were a fact?
Personally I think the clear headlights and the clear thing on top of the hood are questionable... but thats me. I don't like having questionable things on a 100k car.

 

[YSSMAN]

This makes me wonder what the "more spoiler area than an airplane" Viper ACR can do.

Agreed. Aero would likely play a role in slowing the car down, but given that Chrysler is cash strapped enough as it is, it seems unlikely that they'll send one over (unless FedEx can do it for cheap?) and give it a run.

Still, I'd say the ACR could hold its own, but its not going to be able to beat up on the Corvette like it used to...

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RE: The looks of the ZR1

I'm not a fan of the "window" on the hood, I think its distasteful to a large degree, mind you this is coming from THE Corvette guy... I would have much preferred if they would have used the Z06 "427 Edition" look on the ZR1, but alas, they didn't.

Either way, the Corvette has always been and will always be top-dog in my book. The only sports car that ever comes close is the 911, and even then, its only the low-level models that really get my blood boiling.

 

[niky]

I don't know... I kind of like the window.

I can't wait to see the first magazine reviews for this... preferably against the competition.

 

[CodeRedR51]

*Agreed*

The ZR-1 looks BAD ASS.



I just realized that from this post and my icon, you might almost think I'm a Chevy guy

Chevy guy or not, you will always have Chevy or Corvette fans saying their car looks better. And you will always have Nissan fans saying the GT-R looks better. It's a never ending argument that gets dragged on and on and on with no end, and it gets pretty boring reading each response...

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Hmmm.... Right... I could just nod my head in disagreement and move on but... the fact is the way you put that is as if that is a fact. But it's an opinion... so why do you always state your opinions as if they were a fact?
Personally I think the clear headlights and the clear thing on top of the hood are questionable... but thats me. I don't like having questionable things on a 100k car.

That's the rudest thing I've read in a couple of months, and if I recall I've had this discussion, and we have disagreed with each other in the past also. Making me think this is more a personal attack than anything else. How about you go back and read JCE's post that I quoted first before responding to me. I merely responded in the same manner of his original post. And it was an opinion I stated, I actually think that the R35 is way better looking than the previous GT-R or even a 911.

Edit: PS- No hard feelings JCE, I didn't mean to sound like an attack at you. I was just having a little fun.

I don't know... I kind of like the window.

I can't wait to see the first magazine reviews for this... preferably against the competition.

Yeah me too, I think it's cool to see the engine like that. And what an engine!

 

[nissan tuner]

question is, can GM really shave 14 seconds off the already tailhappy Z06 time? i highly doubt it

its 200+ pounds heavier, has more 120+HP and fatter tires.

V-spec isnt too far off either

 

[Onikaze]

Huh?

the ZR1 is lighter than the Z06, isn't it?

More downforce, larger tires, different suspension, oh... yeah, and stupid Hp/Torque numbers.

 

[YSSMAN]

I think the ZR1 is up on the Z06 by about 200 lbs, but I may be mistaken...

 

[Leonidae]

ZR1 is indeed heavier than Z06. it's more of a GT car than sportscar.

 

[Onikaze]

Well that's odd, guess I read wrong the last couple times I checked, but yeah... 200 lbs.

3150 vs 3350, not really something I'd write it off because of.

 

[Greycap]

What happens when the cable sticks?

This quote is very long overdue but... hard on the clutch, hard on the brakes?

About the ZR1 being heavier than the Z06, it just doesn't sound right. My respect for the ZR1 would be multiplied if they had gone all-out with it, making it a full blown track ripper with the most spartan cabin interior possible. But it's the stereotypical American way, just add more power to move the increased mass. Unfortunately.

 

[nissan tuner]

Well that's odd, guess I read wrong the last couple times I checked, but yeah... 200 lbs.

3150 vs 3350, not really something I'd write it off because of.

http://vettetube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=a7676cf665225e236a3d

i cant believe that you think shaving 14 seconds off a lap time is a cake walk because of more power and bigger tires.

 

[YSSMAN]

But it's the stereotypical American way, just add more power to move the increased mass. Unfortunately.

Um, its the extra power that has added the weight my friend. New engine, supercharger, intercooler, huge ceramic breaks, wider wheels/tires, new Magnaride suspension, etc. It all adds up, even with the extensive use of carbon fiber and the same balsa-core structure from the Z06. Considering that it gained only 200 lbs, I'd say thats an achievement.

 

[Dave A]

That's a good joke. The ZR1 looks a trillion times better than the tubby, awkward looking GT-R.

I really should quote the guy you quoted for being the first, but his was on another post. You can't state that one car looks better than another car for anyone buy yourself.

Personally the C6 Vettes do look nicer than the GT-R, I'm not a huge fan of the GT-R looks wise. But if I was parting with my cash I'd probably buy the GT-R.

 

[niky]

This quote is very long overdue but... hard on the clutch, hard on the brakes?

About the ZR1 being heavier than the Z06, it just doesn't sound right. My respect for the ZR1 would be multiplied if they had gone all-out with it, making it a full blown track ripper with the most spartan cabin interior possible. But it's the stereotypical American way, just add more power to move the increased mass. Unfortunately.

That's just 1.5 metric tons. That's still lighter than many of the porkers out there nowadays. Built with a conventional steel shell, a full coil spring rear suspension and the like, the ZR1 could well end up weighing 1.7 tons.

 

[YSSMAN]

And, we have deets:

General Motors and Chevrolet have just released all their official numbers for the 2009 Corvette ZR1 and... hold on to your butts... its base MSRP (including destination charges) will be $103,300. Add to that a $1,700 Gas guzzler tax, $2,000 for chrome wheels and another $10,000 for the only Option package available that adds upgraded seats, side air bags, Bose audio, a nav system, Bluetooth, power tilt/telescoping steering wheel and leather-wrapped interior, and you're looking at a grand total of $117,000. We believe that may make the Corvette ZR1 the most expensive product ever offered by GM, but consider what you get. The ZR1 is a 638-hp supercar that can reach 60 mph in 3.4 seconds, run the quarter mile in 11.3 seconds at 131 mph (!) and top out at 205 mph, all while returning 14 mpg city and 20 mpg highway. Unfortunately, Chevy didn't hit its target of having the most fuel-efficient supercar on earth with the ZR1, as they admit that the Dodge Viper (13/22) and Porsche GT3 (15/22) are a bit less thirsty. Of course, they're neither as powerful nor as fast, and the Porsche is more expensive. The ZR1 will likely be marked up by dealers far above its $117k asking price, but kudos to General Motors anyway for having the balls to build it.

* $103,300 MSRP (including $850 destination charge)
* EPA-estimated fuel economy of 14 city and 20 highway
* 0-60 mph in 3.4 seconds
* 0-100 mph in 7.0 seconds
* Quarter-mile elapsed time of 11.3 seconds at 131 mph

The Corvette ZR1 also has a top speed of 205 mph (330 km/h), making it the fastest Corvette ever produced and ranking it among the global super cars of commensurate performance.

I'm very impressed with the figures, right about what I had expected, and the price fit in right where I thought it would be as well. Congratulations GM, you've built the last of the great American supercars. I wish you the best of luck with it, and of course, in all things afterward.

 

[Joey D]

Not bad and not as expensive as I thought it was going to be. I can't wait to see one on the road.

 

[Tornado]

Not bad, all things considering.

 

[McLaren]

Nice statistics and numbers. They better hope that ACR across the street can't outdo it on a track though.

 

[TopHat]

Nice statistics and numbers. They better hope that ACR across the street can't outdo it on a track though.

Too bad that ACR is as good as dead. Not to mention this will be drivable on any old road.

 

[McLaren]

Too bad that ACR is as good as dead. Not to mention this will be drivable on any old road.

Too bad you didn't properly read that RIP Viper article like everyone else.

 

[JCE]

I'm going to post my rant form another forum here about this car discussing my dislike of GM's laziness by not refining its engines to use modern technology. I won't even go into leaf springs in this post either.

the Z06 is my arguement when people rant and rave about 'advanced german engineering'

I'm sorry but seriously you can't be serious. Not only are the German sports cars better looking (opinion), more comfortable (opinion), but they most certainly produce similar(or more) power--with less displacement. And in Mercedes-Benz's case these cars are much heavier yet are only a bit slower to 60mph and only a reasonable amount slower around a track. But here's the kicker, these cars are BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of times more comfortable.

I'm going to breakdown the C6 Corvette's engines versus the German's engines since you've singled out my countrymen--mainly stcking to the V8 models with one exception.

Engines:
GM 6.2L V8 = 437bhp (C6)
Audi 4.2L V8 = 420bhp (R8)
Porsche 3.6L F6 = 415bhp (997 GT3)

^ Almost the same power output yet Audi managed to use 2,000cc less displacement. And for grins the GT3 manages to use 2 less cylinders and almost half the displacement to produce almost the same bhp.

GM 7.0L V8 = 505bhp (C6 ZO6)
Mercedes-Benz 6.2L V8 = 507bhp (SLK63 AMG Black series)
Mercedes-Benz 6.2L V8 = 525bhp (S63/CL63 AMG)

^ With almost a full litre less MB managed to nearly equal the power output of the 7.0L GM engine while having more on another configuration of that same MB engine.

GM 6.2L V8 Supercharged = 620bhp (ZR-1)
Porsche 4.8L V8 Twin Turbo = 550bhp (Cayenne Turbo S)

^ What could Porsche do with the extra 1.4 litres if they had wanted to use them?

What's more awsome is the R8 and the regular C6 have very similar acceleration numbers on average between lots of drivers. The ZO6 and the "regular" non-black series C63 AMG (which is similarly priced to the ZO6) both do 0-60 in a bit less than 4 seconds. And the C63 weighs quite a bit more too. The ZR-1's competition doesn't have V8 engines so those numbers can't really be compared for my arguement about lack of engine refinement/displacement/development. What bothers me is if GM would actually spend time in R&D they could of easily squeezed an assload more power from 7.0 litres. Seriously, SEVEN litres and they only managed 505bhp? Yes the base C6 is cheaper than the R8, yes the ZO6 is cheaper than the Merc's, and yes the ZR-1 is cheaper than its competition...but that doesn't EXCUSE GM for being lazy. The ZO6 is truely the epitome of the phrase; "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Drives me up the wall. If you think the Corvette is awsome now just imagine the car 20-40% better with modern technology. THAT is my point.

Don't get me started on the Viper either, its worse than anyone else. They are the king of lazy.

But what's funny is the Ford Mustang GT500KR Super Snake has two supercharger options for the Ford 5.4L modular DOHC V8--one is the Eaton with 605bhp and the other is a Kenne Bell with 725bhp. So FORD is making more power with less when compared to the C6 ZO6 range. Drop these drivetrains I've just mentioned in the similarly weighted Ford GT and the GT would absolutely blow the ZO6 and ZR-1 away and leave it for dead.

 

[nissan tuner]

Nice statistics and numbers. They better hope that ACR across the street can't outdo it on a track though.

600hp, R Compound and a GT Wing.it also produces 1000 pounds of downforce.

god help me if it doesn't beat the ZR1

 

[Tornado]

Meh Fest 2008

Translation: "I think meaningless specific output numbers matter for some reason." Your last paragraph was especially pointless, only being beaten out by the silly Cayenne comparison.