"Blue Devil" News: Test Details Roll In

[Leonidae]

that kind of power and torque is plain stupid. it'll be another koenigsegg for the road.. too much power and torque, too little traction and will be a handful even for a pro..

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

that kind of power and torque is plain stupid. it'll be another koenigsegg for the road.. too much power and torque, too little traction and will be a handful even for a pro..

There has been wider tyres put on (I'm talking rims off a roller here ) and the MRC has been tuned specifically for this car. They are saying it will be easier to drive than the Z06.........I think. Maybe that was just street driving.
Here's the rear tyres

Edit: Oh, and I believe it has better aerodynamics? That should help it stick to the road too.

 

[Leonidae]

wide tyres do wonders in rain, don't they?

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Dunno, more aqua-planing? The track was wet at the Burger when it ran that time posted before.

 

[Leonidae]

my point exactly. this will be good weather special.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

my point exactly. this will be good weather special.

Would you even think about driving over 800Nm RWD in the wet anyway? Somw people may not drive it at all They'll put it in an air tight bubble and let it appreciate in value.

 

[Joey D]

You can drive it in the rain, you just have to think about what you are doing. People around here have Z06's with a ton of add ons that they cruise around in the rain with and have no problems as far as I can tell.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Except you don't realise they only have their pinky toe on the accelerator I seriously can't wait until Chevy make an official run at Nurburgring in the dry with the ZR1, it will be interesting to see how much better all these upgrades make it.

 

[Jim Prower]

I'm pretty sure most people have enough self control...and there's enough pedal travel...that driving the car normally isn't bad.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Probably I wish I was rich enough to own a Corvette. Where's the Holden version? Completely redesigned body style, same chassis, and a twin turbo DI 3.6L V6, to really take a stab at the GT-R. Wouldn't it be nice? They could call it the Holden Hurricane after the mid-engined supercar concept Holden had in the '60s.

 

[Leonidae]

ah yes, throttle control brought one more issue to my mind.. does the ZO6 or this have electronic, fly by wire throttle or good old mechanical system? IMO, the electronically actuated throttle is something horrible.

 

[buickgnx88]

I agree, I'd feel much more comfortable having the good 'ol mechanical cable vs the fly-by-wire. If the cable snaps, at least the throttle would go back to idle.

 

[mustangGT90210]

Probably I wish I was rich enough to own a Corvette. Where's the Holden version? Completely redesigned body style, same chassis, and a twin turbo DI 3.6L V6, to really take a stab at the GT-R. Wouldn't it be nice? They could call it the Holden Hurricane after the mid-engined supercar concept Holden had in the '60s.

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V6 Vettes are a thing of the past man

 

[Jim Prower]

Huh? there's never been a V6 Corvette, only one powered by an I6.

 

[Venari]

I agree, I'd feel much more comfortable having the good 'ol mechanical cable vs the fly-by-wire. If the cable snaps, at least the throttle would go back to idle.

What happens when the cable sticks?

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

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V6 Vettes are a thing of the past man

But it wouldn't be a Vette, just the platform. And there's no denying that a V6 would probably handle better. With Holden's engineering capabilities they could make it awesome like the V8 Vette, maybe better. And because it would sell in Oz they wouldn't be treading on Vette territory.

 

[YSSMAN]

does the ZO6 or this have electronic, fly by wire throttle or good old mechanical system?

Its all digital in the Corvette, as is the suspension and stability control that are likely tied together in the ZR1. I'd be interested to see where it can go on top of the Z06, with the Magnaride suspension, it seems like it'd be limitless.

 

[Onikaze]

Ya know, Vettes aren't unbalanced, front-heavy particularly, or bad handlers...

...right?

They don't do the things they do on track because of sheer brute force.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Ya know, Vettes aren't unbalanced, front-heavy particularly, or bad handlers...

...right?

They don't do the things they do on track because of sheer brute force.

Yeah, tell that to the folks at PD. They're great cars.

 

[niky]

That's kinda what I'm getting at. Personally, I think it's good, more power is never a bad thing! But a fair amount of people here complained pretty loudly when it was discovered that the GT-R did the same thing.

Even though it didn't, because people still don't understand that different dynos actually read differently on the same car... (yes, I'm still pissed about the motoring websites blowing this issue out of proportion).

But in this case, under-quoting is possibly true, as GM is known to quote conservatively, and to let their engines do the talking.

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RE: V6. Whatever the car, however good the handling is, the smaller engined version always handles better (as long as it's on the same suspension)... always. BMW's 50:50 claims are absolute crud. Their claims that the 2.0, 2.5 and 3.0 versions of a car all have 50:50 weight balance seem a bit silly when you thrash them on track and find the biggest engined one to be a bit nose-heavy and understeery compared to its lesser siblings... which drive better, despite being slower...

A V6 Vette? If GM can give it 500 hp, why not?

 

[Leonidae]

BMW's do have 50:50 weight distribution, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they all are tail-out hooligans on track. It's all about suspension setup whether the car is oversteery or understeery.

 

[niky]

They actually aren't tail-out hooligans, at all. Very nicely balanced, but still understeering at the limit.

Oh... checked... no wonder the smaller engined Beemers feel so good... they're actually slightly tail-heavy. The big engined models are closer to 52:48, depending on the engine.

Which makes the case for a turbocharged 2-liter BMW 3-series... c'mon... it can't be that hard...

 

[YSSMAN]

I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!

Nissan was so proud of the GT-R's production-car lap-record run of 7:29 on the Nürburgring Nordschleife that CEO Carlos Ghosn personally delivered the news to journalists gathered in Portugal.

It must be sweet for Ghosn who championed the GT-R when Nissan was in dire financial trouble. And trumping Chevrolet's double-barrel announcements last week regarding the Corvette ZR1's outrageous 638-hp output and its 205-mph top speed, doesn't hurt either.

But wait, didn't we quote Corvette Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter as saying that the ZR1 "will be able to take the production-car track record at any racetrack"? Yes, we did. What we didn't mention was that in the same interview, Juechter said that, while the company didn't yet have a full-production ZR1 to test at Nürburgring's old track, he confidently predicted the super-Vette would do the deed in "Seven minutes, twenty-something seconds."

Hey, is that a gauntlet we see there on the ground? Anyone care to pick that up? (We're looking directly at you, Chevy.)

What this means to you: In the grand scheme, a car's lap time of a wicked, old German racetrack might not mean much. Except that we all know it does. — Daniel Pund, Senior Editor, Detroit

Interesting, very very interesting... We'll see what happens kids!

 

[Joey D]

A battle royale between two super fast cars? Yes please. Even though I really don't care about either car all that much it would be nice to see the Americans come out swinging with a real contender for once that makes the rest of the world go "wtf?".

 

[Jim Prower]

Odd thing is that the Vette is rated for SO much more power than the GT-R is...and is lighter...Shouldn't it be faster by default?

 

[Joey D]

Odd thing is that the Vette is rated for SO much more power than the GT-R is...and is lighter...Shouldn't it be faster by default?

Suspension, the way it uses it power, the transmission, etc. all play a role in that. In a straight line I would guess it's faster but around the track there are way to many variables to really make the call.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

The big variable I call is the GT-R's AWD. I'd pay to see Nissan make a faster RWD car than the Corvette. I hope they're right about the 7'20 lap at the Burger.

 

[JCE]

The difference kids is the GTR looks a million times better than the Corvette. Game, set, match. I don't care if the ZR1 sets a 7-minute flat time I'd still never want one.

 

[Philly]

It's all about suspension setup whether the car is oversteery or understeery.

This is very true. The VW has something like 61% of its weight over the front axle but it will still step the rear out on you if you're not careful.

A battle royale between two super fast cars? Yes please. Even though I really don't care about either car all that much it would be nice to see the Americans come out swinging with a real contender for once that makes the rest of the world go "wtf?".

We Americans seem to pull something amazing out every so often. There was the S7 and now this. What about the ACR Viper?

The difference kids is the GTR looks a million times better than the Corvette. Game, set, match. I don't care if the ZR1 sets a 7-minute flat time I'd still never want one.

In that case I'd not worry about the 100% difference in price or the being slower and go for the 911 Turbo, which also has an arguably better history than either of the other two and IMO looks far better. Looks wise, I'd still take the ZR-1 over the GTR, seeing that the GTR looks like what it seems to be (for me at least): a mere publicity stunt.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Odd thing is that the Vette is rated for SO much more power than the GT-R is...and is lighter...Shouldn't it be faster by default?

If only it were that simple, the GT-R has a space center inside.