BMW or Camry, now with money!

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Here it is again.

Usually every few months or so I run across a 90's BMW which I can actually afford IF I get rid of my current car.

The last several times were pretty simple. No, I really shouldn't sell a 2001 Camry because it's astoundingly reliable, and my parents purchased it New.

Now it's different. The clutch is certainly due to be replaced, and it also could use a new timing belt and water pump.

There's a bloke who has offered to trade me his 1998 BMW 328is in exchange for my Camry. Trouble is, the head gasket is blown.

Come the 10th, I'll get my work paycheck and be able to begin the process of buying the clutch parts, with an eye to sending it off to the shop around Christmas. All said and done, the clutch job+belts and pump should run me about $900.

Now, would it not be cheaper to get the head gasket fixed on the BMW and call it good? My worry comes with the fact that I may get the head fixed, only to find a shot bearing, a ruined diff, a gearbox full of neutral, etc.

I plan to go have a look at it Friday, is there anything I can look at to see if the rest is in running order?


Ok, so, theres a new thing. See latest post.
 
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Keep the Camry. It may need $900 worth of work but when the BMW needs work done you can bet it will be a lot more than that. There is probably a reason the guy is trying to trade his BMW for your Camry.
 
Getting rid of a working car for a non-working car isn't exactly smart. Plus who knows what else broke on the BMW when the head gasket let go. Just keep the Camry and save your money, if you want a BMW wait till you can financially afford a working one.
 
I can understand I the car needed brakes or something but if a head gasket goes there's no telling what else went too.
 
I can understand I the car needed brakes or something but if a head gasket goes there's no telling what else went too.

Yeah, Could just be a head gasket...or a cracked head or block, you'll find out once you take it apart. Not worth the gamble, you have a good car that you know the history of. Think BMW owner wants trade for a reason.
 
If you can't do these things yourself, they would become very expensive. Considering $900 for those few things in the Camry the bimmer has the potential to become a nightmare. Wait it out.
 
Then you have to worry about wear all the coolant goes to and everything else....just don't buy a car if it's got a blown head gasket unless you have another engine to drop in. It's not worth the headache.
 
I had a 328i Sport, in my experience, this is unlikely to be the only problem. Plastic blades in the water pump become brittle, snap, block the cooling system, and blow your cooling system, I drove mine maybe 500 yards once the pipe to the heater matrix let go, and it cracked the head, it wouldn't surprise me if the head gasket on your potential car was an off-shoot of the same thing. For me, the repair cost was 95% of the value of the car, so I didn't bother... it's a great car, but (at least over here) there's quite a few around for not much money - if it's what you want, I'd hold out and buy one that's a runner.
 
Basically, BMWs don't blow head gaskets.

Well, they do... But not by themselves. There's always another failure involved that caused it to overheat and usually warp or crack the head.
 
There's a bloke who has offered to trade me his 1998 BMW 328is in exchange for my Camry. Trouble is, the head gasket is blown.

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This BMW sounds like a potential nightmare to me. Like others have said, there's a good chance that it's got other engine compartment issues on top of the head gasket, let alone all the other parts of the car. I think you'll be in a much better state keeping the Camry.
 
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I Recommend keeping The camry because that BMW Is a gamble really you dont know what Happend to it Before

And the BMW Is expensive to repair and for its age Parts are usually rare You dont want to get up in a morning and Get in your BMW And then You start it up and it fails on the otherhand the camry is Cheaper to run and maintain and its a working car Just replace the clutch, find a new timing belt and the water pump Which is IMO will be cheaper than fixing the Beamer

if you really want a BMW You will have to wait
 
ANYTHING BUT A CAMRY. I don't care how horrible that BMW could be, just get rid of that blob of beige.
That blob of beige has never let me down, never felt underpowered (Merging onto a freeway with 4 other people and their stuff) to the extent of being a liability. It's comfortable, gets a solid 33 MPG, the interior is still in solid condition, it carries a good amount of stuff.

But hey, my bad for liking it...
 
@hawkeye122 -- Compared to a certain someone's Sunbird, as Bopop4 mentioned, your Camry is probably just as quick in the quarter mile (likely faster at present because so-and-so was recently soliciting advice on fuel injector cleaner to resolve some rough-running symptoms). Between the better gas mileage, presumably better handling manners (both FWDs here, with platforms separated by 20 years of age), and nicer interior, just try to contain your disappointment in not driving a down-to-basics "pretend musclecar" like his. ;)

If you had the V6, your beige blob would even generate more of that all-important torque. This, of course, is actually impossible, because as everyone knows, any engine that isn't a domestic V8 (or a particular GM 60-degree V6 because reasons) couldn't twist itself out of a paper bag.
 
@hawkeye122 -- Compared to a certain someone's Sunbird, as Bopop4 mentioned, your Camry is probably just as quick in the quarter mile (likely faster at present because so-and-so was recently soliciting advice on fuel injector cleaner to resolve some rough-running symptoms). Between the better gas mileage, presumably better handling manners (both FWDs here, with platforms separated by 20 years of age), and nicer interior, just try to contain your disappointment in not driving a down-to-basics "pretend musclecar" like his. ;)

If you had the V6, your beige blob would even generate more of that all-important torque. This, of course, is actually impossible, because as everyone knows, any engine that isn't a domestic V8 (or a particular GM 60-degree V6 because reasons) couldn't twist itself out of a paper bag.


Domestic V8? I bite my thumb at you sir. How quickly has the world forgotten the true beast that is the 2.2l 5S-FE. I can out accel any car because I know how to.
 
^Don't listen to that one, he thinks a Sunbird is a good car that can run with the best of them. And for some reason pleased about the fact that he almost had a Probe instead.

8.2 to 60 and low 16s in the quarter was pretty fast for a compact in 1993. Heck, it still is. You may have onboard local Google search to help you find where to go, but I can get there faster.

That blob of beige has never let me down, never felt underpowered (Merging onto a freeway with 4 other people and their stuff) to the extent of being a liability. It's comfortable, gets a solid 33 MPG, the interior is still in solid condition, it carries a good amount of stuff.

But hey, my bad for liking it...

It's a CAMRY. It is one of the most anti-enthusiast cars ever built. You could be forgiven for thinking it was specifically designed to be boring. There is no good reason to ever have one if you care even a little about cars or driving, which I'm assuming you do since you're here.

@hawkeye122 -- Compared to a certain someone's Sunbird, as Bopop4 mentioned, your Camry is probably just as quick in the quarter mile (likely faster at present because so-and-so was recently soliciting advice on fuel injector cleaner to resolve some rough-running symptoms). Between the better gas mileage, presumably better handling manners (both FWDs here, with platforms separated by 20 years of age), and nicer interior, just try to contain your disappointment in not driving a down-to-basics "pretend musclecar" like his. ;)

If you had the V6, your beige blob would even generate more of that all-important torque. This, of course, is actually impossible, because as everyone knows, any engine that isn't a domestic V8 (or a particular GM 60-degree V6 because reasons) couldn't twist itself out of a paper bag.

Oh really?

I've recently found a website that runs computer simulations of different cars' acceleration properties. I don't see much reason to doubt their accuracy, and they're certainly much better than the stupidity that is zeroto60times.com. To see if what you're saying here is correct, I looked up my 1993 Sunbird SE and his 2001 Camry I4. Well, actually, I looked up the very similar Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 and Daihatsu Altis SL FWD automatic, both rebadges of the cars in question, since this site has neither one indexed.

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So much for that.

Going more granular, the comparison reveals that my car is:

-3 mph faster in the top end (assuming no speed limiters)
-1.5 seconds faster to 60 MPH
-4.1 seconds faster to 100 MPH
-1.8 seconds faster to 110 MPH, so yours starts catching up here
-But while mine takes 1 minute, 7.9 seconds to reach 120 MPH, the chart doesn't even list a time for yours, so it probably takes quite a while getting there.
-Mine is also 0.8 seconds and 4 MPH faster in the 1/4 mile, and would have opened up a 31 yard lead by the time it crossed the line.
-My car boasts siginifcantly better passing power, beating yours from 40-70 MPH by 1.3 seconds and from 50-90 MPH by 2.1 seconds
-Yours would get somewhat better gas mileage, but not that much better. Personally, I could probably make more than that difference just by not driving so hard.

As for the comment you linked to, I won't try to deny that. My bad for not wanting to completely give up and drive a nice, comfortable, completely uninspiring I4 until I can afford a real sports car with a nice interior and whatnot.
 
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A play-by-play of a computer simulation of a drag race with mismatched rebadge-jobs and a conveniently incorrect transmission for your opponent (note the keyword "clutch" in the OP) is pretty epic even by your standards, W&N. :lol:

What's more amusing is that you're giving hawkeye122 crap for doing exactly the same thing you are in waiting for the musclecar of your dreams: driving what he's got and being happy with it until the time is right to trade up to something sportier. Why exactly did you think he asked about trading for a 190hp RWD BMW? If you'd take the blown-head-gasket BMW over a car that in certain ways is practically identical to yours -- an affordable FWD economy car with a manual transmission that puts out about 140hp, with similar acceleration, that serves your current needs perfectly well -- then you better begin scouring craigslist trade-request ads for musclecars with engine trouble because you're essentially trash-talking into a mirror. :rolleyes:

P.S. Sincerest apologies to hawkeye122 for drawing similarities between you two.
 
A Camry is an absolute snooze to drive. Even one with the 3.5 liter V6.

But then, who cares? It's a car. It has four wheels. It runs. That's a fair bit better than a junker with a blown headgasket.

No way do you trade the girl next door who knows how to cook for post-meltdown drug junkie Lindsay Lohan.

That will only end in tears.
 
8.2 to 60 and low 16s in the quarter was pretty fast for a compact in 1993. Heck, it still is.
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Thanks, that made my morning.

You may have onboard local Google search to help you find where to go, but I can get there faster.

My car doesn't have any kind of GPS, it doesn't even have a VVL or VVT system.
Oh, and there is no way that your Sunbird is faster, there are these weird things called "corners" that you have to go through.


There is no good reason to ever have one if you care even a little about cars or driving, which I'm assuming you do since you're here.

Or, OR, maybe he just wants to get where he wants to go without having to call a tow truck.💡

I had that "Everyone must drive a sportscar" mentality too, I always scoffed at peoples car choices for not being cool.

I was 5.


Oh really?
Yes, really. 180 ft-lb is laughable out of a 3.1L V6.

-3 mph faster in the top end (assuming no speed limiters)
Nobody cares, they're both designed to go from A-B.
Might as well compare an F1 cars ability to carry groceries.
-1.5 seconds faster to 60 MPH
Nobody cares.
-4.1 seconds faster to 100 MPH
Nobody cares.
-1.8 seconds faster to 110 MPH, so yours starts catching up here
Nobody cares.
-But while mine takes 1 minute, 7.9 seconds to reach 120 MPH, the chart doesn't even list a time for yours, so it probably takes quite a while getting there.
Guess what?
Nobody cares.
-Mine is also 0.8 seconds and 4 MPH faster in the 1/4 mile, and would have opened up a 31 yard lead by the time it crossed the line.
We're in for a shocker here folks, the polls are in, and NOBODY CARES! : D
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-My car boasts siginifcantly better passing power, beating yours from 40-70 MPH by 1.3 seconds and from 50-90 MPH by 2.1 seconds
You know the drill.
-Yours would get somewhat better gas mileage, but not that much better. Personally, I could probably make more than that difference just by not driving so hard.

Much better actually.
And anything that you can do to save gas, he can do as well.
 
I actually don't think that's all that bad honestly. Not great but not horrible.

Those marks are almost right in line with my car, and it isn't quick at all.

The new Focus will do the 0-60 run in under 6 seconds. (Depending on the source.)
 
Yeah, but when you consider all the cars on the street that have abysmal performance, it's really not that horrendous. I'd say it's about average with a lot of the cars out there.
 
Yeah, but when you consider all the cars on the street that have abysmal performance, it's really not that horrendous. I'd say it's about average with a lot of the cars out there.

Yes, but he was saying that 8.2 seconds is fast for a compact even today.

Out of all the new compacts, most of the "sport" models are around 6 seconds flat. The base models fall about even with the 8 second mark.
 

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